isu flat out doesn't like to play defense. Teams that force them to play D for more than 10-15 seconds per possession will more likely than not get a good shot and good shots tend to go in at a higher %.
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isu flat out doesn't like to play defense. Teams that force them to play D for more than 10-15 seconds per possession will more likely than not get a good shot and good shots tend to go in at a higher %.
Their offense is getting better as the season goes along but since the Long injury is a bigger deal than some made it out to be. However, they have the guys to turn things around and Niang is playing at a first team all american level. I think part of the problem is Prohm, he didn't want to mess with much but at the same time I think he didn't take a big enough leadership role and also he is going through the Big 12 for the first time so there is going to be a learning curve. They actually look worse on defense than under Hoiberg. At the beginning of the season they looked improved. Of course that could go back to the Long injury as well.
.ISU plays 7 guys, not 6, and got good minutes last night out of Cooke and Burton but man their defense is just awful right now. Part of me thinks it's something that can be corrected but the other part of me wonders if this team just won't buy in. I'm not panicking yet, plenty of season left but it's definitely concerning.
Its time for Prohm to take the reigns of this team. If you dont want to play defense, take a seat and we'll go with walk ons. Im not sure its that bad yet, but that team isnt getting the message.
With the guys that ISU brought in, you have to have exactly the right coach to make everything work. Hoiberg was one of those guys. I don't know if Prohm is, but I'm guessing he's not.
Give him some time. Let him get some of his guys in and see what happens if they have 2,3,4 years to play together. I think you are seeing this with Iowa's Bball program. Not the flashiest guys, but there is a lot of experience and depth.
Give him some time. Let him get some of his guys in and see what happens if they have 2,3,4 years to play together. I think you are seeing this with Iowa's Bball program. Not the flashiest guys, but there is a lot of experience and depth.
Whatever you think about about Hoyburger, it is clear he didn't have a very long timeline. His team was built for last season not the future. Fred did not develop players he found players. Prohm is feeling the effects of this. This team has the talent and ability to play tenacious defense (see 2nd half of Iowa game) but is unmotivated to do so and that is on the coach. He admittedly let the team "coach itself" and now he has lost his team. They don't even follow his instructions and sure as heck do not play anything resembling defense. It is such a waste of talent. And it is not right as the team receives very good fan support. In my view Prohm should clean house and get some kids in there who would like to play hard. He has a pro point guard who only plays hard once in awhile. Niang is ultra talented but he can't do it alone and so he takes plays off.
It's way too early in the season to say he has lost his team. ISU played pretty well and put them in position to win at the #3 team in the country a week and a half ago. There are some glaring issues defensively with this team that needs to be shored up but plenty of time to do it
When one of the players contradicts/over rules his coach as Morris did last night then I think it is not unfair to say he has lost the team. It doesn't mean he can't get them back. It's a really long season.
They are ultra conscious of their lack of depth, I think. Last time I checked, ISU was leading the nation in fewest fouls committed. As you noted, once a guy gets past them, they seldom try to contest the shot. I assume that's by design.
IMHO -- not knowing anything about the mechanics of the game -- the defense really suffers because of decisions McKay and Nader make. In the former case, trying to block too many shots, and in the latter, trying to steal the ball instead of playing solid defense.
And there's no question that the sheer lack of meat under the bucket hurts them. McKay gets shoved around by everybody. Lots of people talk about how much they miss Naz, and they do, but they really miss Hogue underneath.
I know they play 7, but let's be real, Cooke has not exactly provided the spark that was expected of him. My feeling on their lack of D is that they are just too afraid of getting called for fouls because they know that they're thin depth wise. Overall, not having Naz Long has hurt way more than many expected. I still think they're comfortably in the tourney as a 7 or 8 seed with 8-9 losses.
Cooke has not been very good so far but I thought he was really solid last night. One of the few actually defending on the perimeter and made some great decisions with the ball. I think he'll improve as the season goes on.
If you define "act of shooting" as starting a drive toward the basket -- and for all I know, that's the proper definition -- then yes, he was in the act of shooting. If you define it as actually being in the act of trying to shoot the ball, then no, he wasn't.
Good points about the UNI and UT wins over UNC, but neither UNI nor Texas is chopped liver. I don't feel good about losing to either of them, obviously. Based on what seemed realistic expectations, ISU should have one, maybe two, losses at this point. I don't think anybody expected them to win at Norman, and speaking only for myself, I didn't expect them to win at Cincinnati. I didn't expect to lose to UNI, or at Texas (after Ridley was hurt) or at home to anybody except maybe Kansas.
The point is that all of the four losses went down to the final seconds, and none was against a weak team -- in other words, ISU hasn't yet had a loss like the one at Texas Tech last season. The concern, at least in my case, isn't about having 4 losses instead of 2 or 3. It's about the way the team is playing, including in games it has won.
One more comment.......These same players exhibited some of the same tendencies last year when Fred was coaching them. I mentioned Texas Tech. There also was UAB. The Maryland game was another example, as was the South Carolina game. Last year's team made a habit of getting behind by double digits and somehow managing to win. They trailed by 10 or more in the second half of their last six games and won five of them.
Last year we were 10-5 in games that either team could have won in the final couple of minutes; this year we are 2-4.
In other words, I think the actual difference in the quality of play from last year to this year isn't all that huge. But the difference in making key plays is.
I wouldn't feel too great about the uni loss.
Other than their inexplicable wins over the 'clones and unc, they have been absolutely pedestrian with multiple mediocre losses. It will take a win in the MVC tourney for them to make the dance.
Other than their inexplicable wins over the 'clones and unc, they have been absolutely pedestrian with multiple mediocre losses. It will take a win in the MVC tourney for them to make the dance.
I thought he was in the act of shooting, but liked the no call after they missed the obvious travel on Texas the possession before.
18 minutes with zero points and a turnover. Expectations have really fallen post Hoiball.
Rice is like 45 plus I'm pretty sure he burnt his eligibility playing football at Illinois in the mid 90's, but I'm no rules expert. Don't think you can depend on guys like that to play much.
If Prohm is the kind of coach that Clone fans hoped he would be, perhaps the recent losses will be a siren call for defensive buy-in by the players. If so, ISU could be a very tough out by tourney-time. Of course, this has nothing to do with the Hawkeyes, so who cares?
The refs did all they could to hand the game to the Clones and they still couldn't win. Can't believe they were ranked so high in the preseason, total frauds.
Scoring was not the problem last night. We needed someone to defend which he did, plus he took a charge and had 3 assists. I already said he hasn't been very good but last night he gave us good minutes
Your Clones better pick it up, they're hurting Iowa's SOS at this rate.
isu also has two wins that easily could have gone the other way as well. 12-4 could just as easily be 10-6. Leave to clone fan to view it only one way.
It's hard for them to think objectively over the chorus of boo's resounding in their ears. BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
Come on guys... ISU can still make the Final 4 ...
What will Clown fans turn to if they don't have men's BBall? Wrestling? Gymnastics? Club hockey?
The four-year "dynasty" appears to have run its course...
New coach is not the answer...
isu is a women's cross-country and club baseball school. Pollard is currently lobbying for club Baseball to be added not only to the cy-Hawk series but to the Directors Cup.
Pollard hasn't escaped the disdain of Clone fans either. From what I understand, he ratcheted up the demands for donations required for basketball season ticket holders to retain their seating, then handed them this turd. Perhaps he should come forward and remind them of the exquisite water quality they are enjoying in Cloneville.
Wow - so the IA State starters all played over 34 minutes, and averaged almost 39 minutes? Only 2 bench players played, both guards? Well DUH! No wonder they lost. Not going to win a lot of games at the end like that. See what Iowa did at IA State for a similar situation. Gotta get your kids on the floor early so that they can at least spell the starters later in the year.
Look how many guys have left over the past four years. Iowa State can't retain and develop talent because they blatantly recruited over kids.
He had his arm on him long enough with blatant grab even the announcers said he should have been on the line. ISU has 2 huge big Monday games with OU and Kansas coming up. Need to win least 1 or the Prohm honeymoon period maybe over with the fan base starting to get a little agitated at him with last 2 losses.
Also is Naz Long trying to do his best Allen Iverson impersonation? Baylor game jeans and white T last night did he have gray sweat pants on with his clone t shirt? I know he is red shirting but least put on a team warm ups (like dale jones does do to the knee while red shirts have suits on for iowa) or have like a cyclone polo with jeans. You least see basically every other teams have players not dressed least make an effort to look respectful on the bench unlike Naz.
It IS IA State. Class is not an issue there...
I think they are told to dress as they would for going out to clean the barn, thus the t-shirt and jeans.
The defensive mistakes are the glaring issue. I watched a couple of their games and their defense is terrible. The one thing that the players can control and they are struggling.
Last night McKay & Niang both got "top heavy" on a player who was dead to rights and they gave him a clear lane to the basket? I could not believe that! They were playing good defense and then just let him take a step and lay it in? Doesn't seem right that players of their caliber would let that happen.
If they can get their defense figured out (maybe go zone or press) and they will be right back. They have the offensive weapons, but need to play defense.
Last night McKay & Niang both got "top heavy" on a player who was dead to rights and they gave him a clear lane to the basket? I could not believe that! They were playing good defense and then just let him take a step and lay it in? Doesn't seem right that players of their caliber would let that happen.
If they can get their defense figured out (maybe go zone or press) and they will be right back. They have the offensive weapons, but need to play defense.
If this article is true that will NEVER happen, at least as long as their AD is there. Sounds like money wasn't his only reason for leaving, apparently their wonderful AD drove him out of town.
I don't feel sorry for them one bit. If that is how they treat an ISU legend and someone who brought them back from the gutter....then they deserve to go back to the gutter!
http://www.sbnation.com/college-bas.../iowa-state-fred-hoiberg-hotel-contract-cheap
Wrong. He was on his way up, shooting a runner. It almost went in even. Should have been 2 shots. Period.
Since you Iowa fans put the Iowa loss at Iowa State out of your mind your posts say otherwise. FYI the first four of Iowa State's games three of them ended with the same result this year as they did last year. The only one with a different result is ISU won at Texas last year 85-77 but the final results of the other three games they lost to Baylor at home last year (their only home loss last season, how many did Iowa have). I think you should concentrate more on the laurels of your own team. The season has a long way to go.
Since you love Cyclone bashing I try to avoid that but have always wondered how Iowa even got the play in game two years ago against Tennessee when they lost 6 out of their last 7 games including their losing their usual first round game in the Big Ten tournament. I also recall most fans on this board calling for Fran to be fired during that glorious run.
Since you love Cyclone bashing I try to avoid that but have always wondered how Iowa even got the play in game two years ago against Tennessee when they lost 6 out of their last 7 games including their losing their usual first round game in the Big Ten tournament. I also recall most fans on this board calling for Fran to be fired during that glorious run.
Hey dont be pissed at us because this year's hoops team is all Iowa State has.
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