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*****New Orleans vs Iowa Game Thread*****

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Iowa needed to win by the margin they did.
Does that have impact on the NET?
I haven't looked at the details on that. My impression was that these worst of the worst teams would only move the needle significantly if they lost to them.
Frankly, if I had a say in the metrics it would have a negative impact just to play them. At the very least there should be zero positive movement for beating them at home.
 
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Does that have impact on the NET?
I haven't looked at the details on that. My impression was that these worst of the worst teams would only move the needle significantly if they lost to them.
Frankly, if I had a say in the metrics it would have a negative impact just to play them. At the very least there should be zero positive movement for beating them at home.
My understanding is yes, and the first three games hurt a bit because the NET thinks you should win those by 30ish or more at home.
 
My understanding is yes, and the first three games hurt a bit because the NET thinks you should win those by 30ish or more at home.
That's good to hear if true. There should definitely be a built in penalty for scheduling these terrible teams. And it should be more than simply additive. An extra penalty the more of them you schedule is warranted.
 
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That's good to hear if true. There should definitely be a built in penalty for scheduling these terrible teams. And it should be more than simply additive. An extra penalty the more of them you schedule is warranted.
Brad Brownell accused the Big 12 of manipulating the NET last season.

 
Dembele with only 8 minutes. Was he injured?

He did limp off the court at one point, never to return. It did not seem all that serious, but definitely an injury of some sort. I couldn’t really tell as he was hunched over.

Edit: watching the telecast, he got poked in the eye around the 8:00 mark.
 
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I actually did see something I liked in this game. Early in the second half in a blowout I think at least 3 assistant coaches were encouraging /yelling at the guys to get back on defense and the whole team responded. Usually up by 30 the game gets ragged and I think they were trying to establish a mindset. I might always trying to find a positive so maybe it is wishful thinking.
 
He did limp off the court at one point, never to return. It did not seem all that serious, but definitely an injury of some sort. I couldn’t really tell as he was hunched over.

Edit: watching the telecast, he got poked in the eye around the 8:00 mark.
Dembele got poked in the eye.
 
Finally watched much of the game. Opponent so bad that any offensive numbers are almost meaningless. I am still troubled by how lousy Freeman is playing on the defensive end, including defensive boards. The three guards are playing pretty good defense, but Payton is also a bad defender. We will have to shoot lights out to beat most good teams, if Owen doesn't do a better job of guarding the basket and rebounding. In the limited minutes he played, Ladji wasn't very good again either. Payton is who he is.
 
Finally watched much of the game. Opponent so bad that any offensive numbers are almost meaningless. I am still troubled by how lousy Freeman is playing on the defensive end, including defensive boards. The three guards are playing pretty good defense, but Payton is also a bad defender. We will have to shoot lights out to beat most good teams, if Owen doesn't do a better job of guarding the basket and rebounding. In the limited minutes he played, Ladji wasn't very good again either. Payton is who he is.
Freeman has definitely been a disappointment on protecting the paint and rebounding so far this season.
 
Finally watched much of the game. Opponent so bad that any offensive numbers are almost meaningless. I am still troubled by how lousy Freeman is playing on the defensive end, including defensive boards. The three guards are playing pretty good defense, but Payton is also a bad defender. We will have to shoot lights out to beat most good teams, if Owen doesn't do a better job of guarding the basket and rebounding. In the limited minutes he played, Ladji wasn't very good again either. Payton is who he is.

Freeman is capable of a lot of blocked shots and steals, but refs will send him to bench calling ticky Tac fouls. I would like to see him rebound like a maniac, because most of the other guys lack muscle/desire to rebound. I don't blame him for lack of defense, because he really is the only true big on team that plays and has to stay out of foul trouble.

We never know if Payton Sandfort will catch fire, but so far he's had a very bad season and been a negative. I respect him for wanting to be good and coming back, but he's playing himself out of any hope of NBA. IF he's hurt, it is on Fran for not sitting him and giving him green light for poor shot selection.

Fran has to get these guys to rebound better if they do want to make it to NCAA tourney and not be DOA. Lot of nice pieces, but Fran only coaches offense.

This looks to be about a typical Fran team. Should be able to win 1/2 their games in NCAA tourney. Look to be on the bubble because
no big out of conference wins.
 
Freeman is capable of a lot of blocked shots and steals, but refs will send him to bench calling ticky Tac fouls. I would like to see him rebound like a maniac, because most of the other guys lack muscle/desire to rebound. I don't blame him for lack of defense, because he really is the only true big on team that plays and has to stay out of foul trouble.

We never know if Payton Sandfort will catch fire, but so far he's had a very bad season and been a negative. I respect him for wanting to be good and coming back, but he's playing himself out of any hope of NBA. IF he's hurt, it is on Fran for not sitting him and giving him green light for poor shot selection.

Fran has to get these guys to rebound better if they do want to make it to NCAA tourney and not be DOA. Lot of nice pieces, but Fran only coaches offense.

This looks to be about a typical Fran team. Should be able to win 1/2 their games in NCAA tourney. Look to be on the bubble because
no big out of conference wins.
Agreed typical McCaffery team, defense is optional, lack of rebounding, lack of player physical development, average at best recruiting, will finish middle to lower part of the league, and unlikely to make the NCAAT, but JMHO.

My biggest b**** with McCaffery and Ferentz has always been that they refuse to work on and improve phases of the game that need improved year after year.

I am not a "hater" and I will root for Iowa and watch every game. I am just being realistic as we are in year 15 of the same with McCaffery. And "No" I do not get excited because they played ISU close.
 
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Freeman has definitely been a disappointment on protecting the paint and rebounding so far this season.
Freeman is playing with his hands behind his back. There is no other rebounder on this team that Fran plays behind him and he knows it. Yes, Dembele is 6-8, 260lbs but plays like a 6-6 light weight on the perimeter shooting 3's, Payton is the next best rebounder Iowa has, but spends most of his time chucking up 3's and when he hit them it's all good but when he misses them he's completely out of position to help Owen rebound and if Owen get's aggressive in the first half of games trying to attack the boards, he takes the chance of referees hitting him with Fran's automatic 2 foul bench suspension. Owen is caught between a rock and a hard place, your damned if you do and damned if you don't.
Fran's going to do what Fran is going to do, roster management is going to crucial going forward and with 20 games left Fran is going to make lot's of mistakes in his coaching decisions as he has every year. Just hope that they don't derail the season like most of Fran's years here at Iowa
Owen also has gained addition weight between last year and this season and it appears that he is dealing with the 20 addition pound weight gain with what I call Melsahn Basabe syndrome, which is hampering him with his god gifted quickness. Time will tell it he can regain that quickness before it is too late. We shall see.... In the meantime as fans we just have to realize that Owen is not the same player he was last year in rebounding or blocking shots, but he is the same player that we all fell in love with last year, and he still is the most important player that Iowa has on it's roster. That will never change.
 
Freeman is capable of a lot of blocked shots and steals, but refs will send him to bench calling ticky Tac fouls. I would like to see him rebound like a maniac, because most of the other guys lack muscle/desire to rebound. I don't blame him for lack of defense, because he really is the only true big on team that plays and has to stay out of foul trouble.

We never know if Payton Sandfort will catch fire, but so far he's had a very bad season and been a negative. I respect him for wanting to be good and coming back, but he's playing himself out of any hope of NBA. IF he's hurt, it is on Fran for not sitting him and giving him green light for poor shot selection.

Fran has to get these guys to rebound better if they do want to make it to NCAA tourney and not be DOA. Lot of nice pieces, but Fran only coaches offense.

This looks to be about a typical Fran team. Should be able to win 1/2 their games in NCAA tourney. Look to be on the bubble because
no big out of conference wins.
Freeman defense and lack of defensive rebounding isn't just trying to avoid fouls. He seems to do a lot of wandering away from the basket, where he is more likely to commit a foul reaching. It often leaves the basket undefended and no one with size is there to rebound misses. I can't imagine that he is being coached to do this.
 
Freeman defense and lack of defensive rebounding isn't just trying to avoid fouls. He seems to do a lot of wandering away from the basket, where he is more likely to commit a foul reaching. It often leaves the basket undefended and no one with size is there to rebound misses. I can't imagine that he is being coached to do this.
The problem is that he isn't being coached to not do it.
 
Could Freeman be a better individual rebounder? Sure could.
But even if he were one of the NCAA leaders for boards they'd still be bad as a team.
It's a coaching and philosophy issue. If you don't value defense and rebounding and only reward O with PT this is what you get.
 
Could Freeman be a better individual rebounder? Sure could.
But even if he were one of the NCAA leaders for boards they'd still be bad as a team.
It's a coaching and philosophy issue. If you don't value defense and rebounding and only reward O with PT this is what you get.
If he was one of the NCAA leaders for boards they would not be the same team. How many times have second chance points killed the Hawks in the three losses? Bad take.
 
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Freeman defense and lack of defensive rebounding isn't just trying to avoid fouls. He seems to do a lot of wandering away from the basket, where he is more likely to commit a foul reaching. It often leaves the basket undefended and no one with size is there to rebound misses. I can't imagine that he is being coached to do this.
I don't know how you wander away from the basket as a defender. Owen is guarding his man. He isn't wandering at all.

When Owen gets stretched furthest from the basket is in pick-and-roll coverage. Fran asks him to high hedge the screen. So in this case, Owen is being coached to momentarily leave the basket
 
I don't know how you wander away from the basket as a defender. Owen is guarding his man. He isn't wandering at all.

When Owen gets stretched furthest from the basket is in pick-and-roll coverage. Fran asks him to high hedge the screen. So in this case, Owen is being coached to momentarily leave the basket
Watch Owen on defense. It is often because he doesn't know how to do an effective hedge when his man is setting a pick. We don't need him trying to guard his man or or others 20 ft from the basket. The result is seldom good.
 
Watch Owen on defense. It is often because he doesn't know how to do an effective hedge when his man is setting a pick. We don't need him trying to guard his man or or others 20 ft from the basket. The result is seldom good.
I don't disagree with you in a lot of spots.

But Iowa's man defense isn't designed for Owen to camp in the paint.

The centers that he's guarding are spending time on the perimeter. A few of them shoot the 3 well enough that Owen will be required to contest the shots 20 ft from the basket.

But basically all of them are running pick-and-roll and/or dribble-hand-off action on the perimeter. Again, Owen is being coached to hard hedge above the level of the screen on these actions.

It sounds like you would prefer Iowa's main coverage vs pick-and-roll to be drop coverage. I would tend to agree with you. But that changes the assignments of the perimeter players too. It would be a completely different defense that Fran would have to commit to changing to.

I don't see that happening. So in the meantime, make no mistake that Owen is at least attempting to do what he is being asked to do
 
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