Coaches

[rclui57]

I was able to watch a little of last night's game between Ft. Lauderdale' St. Thomas Aquinas and Miami' B.T. Washington, and today's game between DeMatha (Hyattsville, MD) and Miami's Central. In each game it seemed that there were more D-1 recruits on the field with 2 teams than Iowa produces in a year state-wide. In fact it seemed ST. Thomas had more on their one team that does Iowa. And many were the "skilled" positions of which Iowa seem to produce - none.
These teams all play in tough leagues and are not blowing the competition away in their respective games.

And all of them, like where high school football is the best are a long, long way from Iowa. And we know studies tell us kids like to stay relatively close to home to play in college so their families can attend. and there are many D-1 schools that fill that need for them.

If we can be honest with ourselves this informs us that our coaches have an enormous task to try to recruit players. They work their asses off doing so and then it takes time to teach them after coming to Iowa. That is why it is a developmental program - the kids are no where near the kid you saw in those games

Yet we have many posters who apparently expect continuous 10 win seasons. It seems almost every topic in the past 2-3 weeks, regardless of what the subject is, some use it to post snide, cutting and demeaning comments about the coach(s). I bleed black and gold with all, get mad and second guess with other fans. But come on. Can we cool it. The season is about to begin. Be positive. We'll have another good season.

Be thankful for the coaches we have. There are dirt bags out there. We have a man of integrity who works hard to develop the players he brings in to become graduates of the University of Iowa and good citizens. Very few from any program become professional football players. What is really important in life when you consider the problems our culture has to deal with?

 

[EvilMonkeyInTheCloset]

And Iowa would probably lose to both those high school teams with more high-star talent that goes on to the big schools..................................................isn't that how it's suppose to go, bitter fans?

 

[frydaze]

I was able to watch a little of last night's game between Ft. Lauderdale' St. Thomas Aquinas and Miami' B.T. Washington, and today's game between DeMatha (Hyattsville, MD) and Miami's Central. In each game it seemed that there were more D-1 recruits on the field with 2 teams than Iowa produces in a year state-wide. In fact it seemed ST. Thomas had more on their one team that does Iowa. And many were the "skilled" positions of which Iowa seem to produce - none.
These teams all play in tough leagues and are not blowing the competition away in their respective games.

And all of them, like where high school football is the best are a long, long way from Iowa. And we know studies tell us kids like to stay relatively close to home to play in college so their families can attend. and there are many D-1 schools that fill that need for them.

If we can be honest with ourselves this informs us that our coaches have an enormous task to try to recruit players. They work their asses off doing so and then it takes time to teach them after coming to Iowa. That is why it is a developmental program - the kids are no where near the kid you saw in those games

Yet we have many posters who apparently expect continuous 10 win seasons. It seems almost every topic in the past 2-3 weeks, regardless of what the subject is, some use it to post snide, cutting and demeaning comments about the coach(s). I bleed black and gold with all, get mad and second guess with other fans. But come on. Can we cool it. The season is about to begin. Be positive. We'll have another good season.

Be thankful for the coaches we have. There are dirt bags out there. We have a man of integrity who works hard to develop the players he brings in to become graduates of the University of Iowa and good citizens. Very few from any program become professional football players. What is really important in life when you consider the problems our culture has to deal with?

You sound like one of those fanatics that believe Iowa is the only school in America with a good person as a coach and a very professional staff or the only school whose coaches work their asses off. There are absolutely more coaches out there with integrity that are "dirt".

Frankly, what's the point of your post? That we shouldn't really expect better than 7-win results? And who are the posters who have proclaimed 10-win seasons should be the norm? Or maybe it's more about you embellishing things.

And, in the event you have forgotten, there was a time in Ferentz's tenure at Iowa we recruited Florida extremely well. Try the early 2000's--Cole, Allen, Hodge, Barr, Brown, and several others. That was Bret Bielema's recruiting territory and he did a fabulous job. We invested in Florida then--so yes, we CAN bring kids in from there IF we have a solid recruiter and are willing to invest the resources as Ferentz once did.

Stop making excuses.

 

[clickhere 01]

I was able to watch a little of last night's game between Ft. Lauderdale' St. Thomas Aquinas and Miami' B.T. Washington, and today's game between DeMatha (Hyattsville, MD) and Miami's Central. In each game it seemed that there were more D-1 recruits on the field with 2 teams than Iowa produces in a year state-wide. In fact it seemed ST. Thomas had more on their one team that does Iowa. And many were the "skilled" positions of which Iowa seem to produce - none.
These teams all play in tough leagues and are not blowing the competition away in their respective games.

And all of them, like where high school football is the best are a long, long way from Iowa. And we know studies tell us kids like to stay relatively close to home to play in college so their families can attend. and there are many D-1 schools that fill that need for them.

If we can be honest with ourselves this informs us that our coaches have an enormous task to try to recruit players. They work their asses off doing so and then it takes time to teach them after coming to Iowa. That is why it is a developmental program - the kids are no where near the kid you saw in those games

Yet we have many posters who apparently expect continuous 10 win seasons. It seems almost every topic in the past 2-3 weeks, regardless of what the subject is, some use it to post snide, cutting and demeaning comments about the coach(s). I bleed black and gold with all, get mad and second guess with other fans. But come on. Can we cool it. The season is about to begin. Be positive. We'll have another good season.

Be thankful for the coaches we have. There are dirt bags out there. We have a man of integrity who works hard to develop the players he brings in to become graduates of the University of Iowa and good citizens. Very few from any program become professional football players. What is really important in life when you consider the problems our culture has to deal with?

Our coach works hard and is a nice guy.......got it.

 

[frydaze]

Our coach works hard and is a nice guy.......got it.

That's about all I got out of the OP's post also along with he has many reasons/excuses why we have a 19-21 B1G record over the last 5 years.

There are some fans who will always set expectations at ankle level and always find excuses. My hunch is the OP is also in the camp of believing we should be indebted for life to KF because of his coaching performance during the first half of his career here.

To the OP: Something was working real well here at one point. Recruiting, many things. Now we have hit an extended ho-hum performance run so if you were not offering up all these excuses 10+ years ago no need to try using them now.

 

[herecomethehawkeyes]

by golly, us up here in the sticks of Ioway shun't expect more that what we have seen lately...
*rolls eyes*

I know the Nike money has plenty of draw, but its not like Oregon has always competed for national titles. i wonder if they ever had those in their fanbase that said they shouldn't ask for more than what they were getting before they turned into the national power they are.

excuses are for pu**ies.

and you really think many posters expect 10 wins a year out of this Iowa program? With the schedule they have, any power 5 team with a pulse could get 10 wins with this schedule. What i think would appease most fans would be to destroy the directional non conference opponents, not crap the bed more often than not to Iowa State, be competitive with the the Nebraskas and Wisconsins and be somewhat competitive or at least not get run off the field with the Ohio States of the world. Its an embarrassment that our 2nd stringers can't get reps in the 2nd half of a lot of these non conference games because we let the Ball States of the world keep it close (or need to come from behind to get the win).

but, keep making excuses as far as why Iowa must maintain this status quo

 

[rfgiowa]

Thankful? Sure...right...I will be thankful for a barely mediocre program the past several years. Be thankful for getting whooped by a 6-6 Tennessee Volunteer team...be thankful for getting beat by in OT by a meltdown Nebraska program/coach in Iowa City...be thankful for losing to the clowns...again. Be thankful...

 

[Birdmanil]

Win or lose we still booze

 

[herecomethehawkeyes]

and while I am ranting, i no longer give a rats behind how many players Kirk puts in the NFL. If Kirk couldn't parlay putting kids in the NFL, along with his runs of success he has had to put Iowa into some sort of "reload" situation (especially at the positions we are getting players in the NFL at), then the recruiters were/are not doing their job.

 

[rclui57]

One has to laugh. I received what I expected. No one specifically said 10 wins/ year, but the implications of the many comments suggest this is what we should expect.

Be careful of what you are demanding. A change, and I am not necessarily opposed to it. But look at the long history of Iowa football. A weak state in football players a small population and distance from where quantity of talent prevails. One mentions a few players we have had from Florida. Yes, a few and there are 85 scholarships on a team so a few helps, but not to the extent needed.

We were fortunate to retain the likes of Evashevski, Fry and Ferentz. You all seem unsatisfied with an 8 win season, a .667 winning percent. None of the three mentioned coaches were able to achieve that level. The change you seem to demand could just as easily bring the likes of Burns, Nagel. Cummings or Lauterbur whose winning percentages were .354,.343, .325 and .135 respectively. And remember Burns went on to a successful coaching career in the NFL and Lauterbur had one if not two undefeated seasons at Toledo before coming to Iowa.-

 

[herecomethehawkeyes]

One has to laugh. I received what I expected. No one specifically said 10 wins/ year, but the implications of the many comments suggest this is what we should expect.

Be careful of what you are demanding. A change, and I am not necessarily opposed to it. But look at the long history of Iowa football. A weak state in football players a small population and distance from where quantity of talent prevails. One mentions a few players we have had from Florida. Yes, a few and there are 85 scholarships on a team so a few helps, but not to the extent needed.

We were fortunate to retain the likes of Evashevski, Fry and Ferentz. You all seem unsatisfied with an 8 win season, a .667 winning percent. None of the three mentioned coaches were able to achieve that level. The change you seem to demand could just as easily bring the likes of Burns, Nagel. Cummings or Lauterbur whose winning percentages were .354,.343, .325 and .135 respectively. And remember Burns went on to a successful coaching career in the NFL and Lauterbur had one if not two undefeated seasons at Toledo before coming to Iowa.-

oh boy it's the "be careful what you wish for" rhetoric.

1) who implies we should be winning 10 games every year?

2) you do realize Kirk has only had an 8 or greater win season in 7 of his 16 seasons correct?

3) it must suck to live in your world where any change results in the worst case scenario. keep spinning your wheels in the mud that is the status quo.........wouldn't want you to get out of that mud, because just outside of the mud, there could be a road of spikes to wreak havoc on your wheels or a big crater that you can drive into and never be heard from again.

 

[rfgiowa]

"Be careful of what you are demanding"...hahaha! The ho-hum coward's statement. Status quo/mediocre mentality at its best.

 

[studed]

I was able to watch a little of last night's game between Ft. Lauderdale' St. Thomas Aquinas and Miami' B.T. Washington, and today's game between DeMatha (Hyattsville, MD) and Miami's Central. In each game it seemed that there were more D-1 recruits on the field with 2 teams than Iowa produces in a year state-wide. In fact it seemed ST. Thomas had more on their one team that does Iowa. And many were the "skilled" positions of which Iowa seem to produce - none.
These teams all play in tough leagues and are not blowing the competition away in their respective games.

And all of them, like where high school football is the best are a long, long way from Iowa. And we know studies tell us kids like to stay relatively close to home to play in college so their families can attend. and there are many D-1 schools that fill that need for them.

If we can be honest with ourselves this informs us that our coaches have an enormous task to try to recruit players. They work their asses off doing so and then it takes time to teach them after coming to Iowa. That is why it is a developmental program - the kids are no where near the kid you saw in those games

Yet we have many posters who apparently expect continuous 10 win seasons. It seems almost every topic in the past 2-3 weeks, regardless of what the subject is, some use it to post snide, cutting and demeaning comments about the coach(s). I bleed black and gold with all, get mad and second guess with other fans. But come on. Can we cool it. The season is about to begin. Be positive. We'll have another good season.

Be thankful for the coaches we have. There are dirt bags out there. We have a man of integrity who works hard to develop the players he brings in to become graduates of the University of Iowa and good citizens. Very few from any program become professional football players. What is really important in life when you consider the problems our culture has to deal with?

this is so true just look at Wisconsin that state has a ton of high school talent. oh wait no they dont

 

[HawkCapt1912]

Jake Rudock was from St. Thomas Aquinas.

 

[PlutoDroid]

I think I understand the OP's mindset. The line of thinking fans should be happy with the current results is gonna fall on deaf ears on a message board.

You can go two ways with this argument, one is appreciating the success of Ferentz in the past while dealing with recruiting hurdles as you say. Secondly you could look at recent history and see the staleness of more recent seasons.

Telling fans to be happy with the status quo is like jumping in the ocean with an open wound. If you're happy that's great but you telling other fans to have the same expectations as you is folly.

 

[frydaze]

One has to laugh. I received what I expected. No one specifically said 10 wins/ year, but the implications of the many comments suggest this is what we should expect.

Be careful of what you are demanding. A change, and I am not necessarily opposed to it. But look at the long history of Iowa football. A weak state in football players a small population and distance from where quantity of talent prevails. One mentions a few players we have had from Florida. Yes, a few and there are 85 scholarships on a team so a few helps, but not to the extent needed.

We were fortunate to retain the likes of Evashevski, Fry and Ferentz. You all seem unsatisfied with an 8 win season, a .667 winning percent. None of the three mentioned coaches were able to achieve that level. The change you seem to demand could just as easily bring the likes of Burns, Nagel. Cummings or Lauterbur whose winning percentages were .354,.343, .325 and .135 respectively. And remember Burns went on to a successful coaching career in the NFL and Lauterbur had one if not two undefeated seasons at Toledo before coming to Iowa.-

First, you need to read "herecomesthehawkeyes" reply to you in this thread. Pretty much puts at a stake right at your feet of youre lame "be careful what you wish for" attitude.

Secondly, Iowa is paying top 10 money for a head football coach. It has state of the art facilities now (best in the BiG many say) with the completion of the new facility. If we can not attract a solid head coach then that's our problem.

Hayden had an incredible 20 year run at Iowa. He was a a very good hire. Ferentz turned out to be a very good hire but now the program has gone stale under his direction and if we don't spin out of that it's time someone new is given the chance. 17 years at a school is a very very long time.

 

[rclui57]

This is fun. One could easily write the replies for you. I had a career that was nothing but implementing change. It is my observation that a top guy, CEO, what ever seems to run the course in about a decade and change is for the best. Of course, there are many exceptions one could note.
The I Club has run a golf outing here in SW Florida for some time almost every year. For some reason it is the Monday after the Super Bowl which also is the Monday before the Wednesday Letter of Intent signings of HS football players. The last 2-3-4 years of Fry's tenure he was here. The recruiting suffered in his late years. I do not now the full reason why, but could this be part of it? And you did not see a whiner complain when he entered the picture.

As so many of you say the coach is supposed to coach/teach football. There are few schools and probably fewer coaches who have more football players on NFL rosters. That fact debunks many of the snide comments we read on this board.

And no one seems to address the long historical record of winning percentage. I am simply reacting to all the crap we read that want to tell us our coach is garbage to be discarded. And his record is close to the best we have ever had and far better than most. That is a realistic fact particularly when you consider the recruiting disadvantages Iowa has by location and population. Deny all you want, but that will not change with new faces.

It is time for a new season. Be positive. Enjoy the moments and let the players and coaches enjoy their efforts. We do not need flame throwers.

 

[herecomethehawkeyes]

This is fun. One could easily write the replies for you. I had a career that was nothing but implementing change. It is my observation that a top guy, CEO, what ever seems to run the course in about a decade and change is for the best. Of course, there are many exceptions one could note.
The I Club has run a golf outing here in SW Florida for some time almost every year. For some reason it is the Monday after the Super Bowl which also is the Monday before the Wednesday Letter of Intent signings of HS football players. The last 2-3-4 years of Fry's tenure he was here. The recruiting suffered in his late years. I do not now the full reason why, but could this be part of it? And you did not see a whiner complain when he entered the picture.

As so many of you say the coach is supposed to coach/teach football. There are few schools and probably fewer coaches who have more football players on NFL rosters. That fact debunks many of the snide comments we read on this board.

And no one seems to address the long historical record of winning percentage. I am simply reacting to all the crap we read that want to tell us our coach is garbage to be discarded. And his record is close to the best we have ever had and far better than most. That is a realistic fact particularly when you consider the recruiting disadvantages Iowa has by location and population. Deny all you want, but that will not change with new faces.

It is time for a new season. Be positive. Enjoy the moments and let the players and coaches enjoy their efforts. We do not need flame throwers.

you do not want to address my original question, so i will ask again


1) who implies we should be winning 10 games every year?

2) you alluded to the fact that fans were not happy with an 8 win season...i dont think too many people grumble about an 8 win season, but your post previous to this one seemed to insinuate that an 8 win season is the norm rather than an exception. you do realize Kirk has only had an 8 or greater win season in 7 of his 16 seasons correct?

as far as some other points in your most recent reply....as I already said, its a failure on the coaches/recruiters if they can't parlay all these players on NFL rosters into some sort of reloading scenario instead of always seeming to start with a bare cupboard. Point blank, Kirk is not paid to put people in the NFL. If that happens as a by product of putting an entertaining and successful team on the field...GREAT!

as for your historical record of winning percentage.....i think i covered that in my very first post in this thread regarding Oregon. its not like they were an overly dominate program prior to Chip Kelly. I am sure their fanbase is glad they felt that they didn't need to keep the status quo as far as their "historical record of winning percentage" is concerned.

we get it, you are scared that the "what ifs" of taking a chance would lead to the worst case scenario outcome. Kinda like Kirk in the Horseshoe in 09. your posts fit well with the coaching staff

 

[theIowaHawk]

Why is it so hard for the OP to realize that the U of Iowa is, inherently, better than: ISU, Minn, Ill, NW, Purdue, Indiana, MD, Rutgers, all midmajors, and so on.

 

[rclui57]

This has been quite interesting. I am not making excuses nor am I satisfied with the status quo. I am upset by the commentary entering too, too may posts with the snide, derogatory comments about the coach(s). As stated I do not think anyone has stated specifically that they expect 10 wins/season. But the commentary certainly points that 8 is not sufficient.. And no one addresses the inherent disadvantage Iowa faces on the recruiting front. And no one addresses that no coach in Iowa history has accomplished an 8 victory/ year winning percentage of .667. Not one.

So don't trash Ferentz and tell us we had an "incredible run" with Fry. Or that we are "inherently better than" a list of several schools all of which are located in a richer recruiting environment than Iowa.

Again, we are beginning a new season. Be positive and support this team (players, coaches and fans) through the ups and downs. If you do not have positive things to say it is better to stay silent and pound on your self. Let people who have some knowledge/expertise analyze and inform us which is a contribution to us all. And attracts on to the service.

 

[herecomethehawkeyes]

As stated I do not think anyone has stated specifically that they expect 10 wins/season. But the commentary certainly points that 8 is not sufficient.. And no one addresses the inherent disadvantage Iowa faces on the recruiting front. And no one addresses that no coach in Iowa history has accomplished an 8 victory/ year winning percentage of .667. Not one.

Or that we are "inherently better than" a list of several schools all of which are located in a richer recruiting environment than Iowa.

so, you were just blowing hot air out of your rear in your initial post when you stated "Yet we have many posters who apparently expect continuous 10 win seasons"? those were your words...not anybody elses. you throwing stuff out there just to see what sticks?

As far as the 8 win season is concerned. 8 wins should be a good place to set the bar as far as expectations: Could it be that seasons are longer than they were when other coaches were roaming the sideline..and non conference schedules were a little tougher (that question is admittedly without going through the history books and comparing non conference schedules.) getting through the non conference slate unscathed (which seems to be an impossible task for Iowa) means you only have to win half of your conference games....until the schedule goes to a 9 game conference schedule. I guess I don't allow myself or my limits to be defined by what has historically been done. If i spent most of my life making $8.00/hr, i shouldn't set the bar higher because I have historically held jobs making 8.00/hr. Like i said, i am sure Oregon fans are glad that they aren't holding themselves to historical records.

also what makes Wisconsin a better recruiting environment than Iowa?

 

[trippnschmidt]

so, you were just blowing hot air out of your rear in your initial post when you stated "Yet we have many posters who apparently expect continuous 10 win seasons"? those were your words...not anybody elses. you throwing stuff out there just to see what sticks?

As far as the 8 win season is concerned. 8 wins should be a good place to set the bar as far as expectations: Could it be that seasons are longer than they were when other coaches were roaming the sideline..and non conference schedules were a little tougher (that question is admittedly without going through the history books and comparing non conference schedules.) getting through the non conference slate unscathed (which seems to be an impossible task for Iowa) means you only have to win half of your conference games....until the schedule goes to a 9 game conference schedule. I guess I don't allow myself or my limits to be defined by what has historically been done. If i spent most of my life making $8.00/hr, i shouldn't set the bar higher because I have historically held jobs making 8.00/hr. Like i said, i am sure Oregon fans are glad that they aren't holding themselves to historical records.

also what makes Wisconsin a better recruiting environment than Iowa?

Wisconsin is the only major school in that state.

As for your first paragraph, what exactly are you hoping to "win" here? validation from a stranger on a message board?

 

[LifelongHawk]

With you to a point OP. Dolph/Ferentz had the preview show on last night, and there is plenty of reason for optimism and excitement for the season (news flash, Duzey ahead of schedule and expected back!). Maybe it'll go south, but like every year I'll be there rooting. The relentless nature of the grousers, and desire to loudly and repeatedly shout down any dissent from their dissent, is irritating-no problem with grousing if they choose, but don't attack those with a different outlook. See pu**ys comment above. And the odd comment that any power 5 team with a pulse would win 8 of 10 against Iowa's scheduled power 5 opponents, who apparently play dead people.

But we are near a tipping point, sometimes all the details become irrelevant. We saw it with Alford, personal hatred for him was so intense results didn't matter, and with Tom Davis and a different breed of discontent. And while today's view of Fry is all unicorns and roses, I remember lots of complaining at the time. The year he played for the 3rd tie of the season v OSU, man oh man. I question if Hayden could have stayed here in the era of social media, he was soooo pissed when questioned about that tie and many other topics. Speaking of unicorns and roses, hilarious these days to hear Hawk fans pine about the days of O'Keefe and Parker, same folks or their progeny that beat on them relentlessly for years!

Your mention of 10 year change cycles is funny because Lute Olson said more or less the same thing when he bolted (good thing for all, that was going to end badly).

Huge irony at work with some of the dissenters, most of whom apparently came of age during or after the Fry era. His success is commonly held up as big reason fans should expect better, and the comments go on to disdain accepting mediocrity. Fans should quit attending games and force change by withdrawing support of poor to mediocre teams. Irony alert, per both Brashier and Fry the whole damn reason they chose the Iowa job among competing offers was the blind support of terrible teams. They both told the story of watching film of the rotten team in front of 45k people cheering a rare first down-they agreed, just imagine if Hawks ever won a game what it would be like. Thankfully they and we all got to see the answer to that, but the point I'm making is the people who put down the loyalists to the program don't seem to understand that without us they wouldn't have their expectations in the first place.

 

[ozziesimmons22]

I can't speak for the OP, but what has gotten old is not necessarily the message, but how it's said and the frequency. This is a message board. People are entitled to have their respective opinions. But, some are so inflammatory and flat out rude. Maybe, that's one of the reasons some people talk about what kinda human being KF is. Does he really deserve the personal attacks on here? I'm not talking about saying you don't think he's getting the job done, or you don't agree with his coaching philosophies, etc. I'm talking about expressing an opinion in a respectful way. And, how many threads can be started, before it gets hijacked with these personal attacks?

We can debate all aspects of Iowa Football and athletics in general, but can't we do it in a different way?

 

[Bigfann1966]

One has to laugh. I received what I expected. No one specifically said 10 wins/ year, but the implications of the many comments suggest this is what we should expect.

Be careful of what you are demanding. A change, and I am not necessarily opposed to it. But look at the long history of Iowa football. A weak state in football players a small population and distance from where quantity of talent prevails. One mentions a few players we have had from Florida. Yes, a few and there are 85 scholarships on a team so a few helps, but not to the extent needed.

We were fortunate to retain the likes of Evashevski, Fry and Ferentz. You all seem unsatisfied with an 8 win season, a .667 winning percent. None of the three mentioned coaches were able to achieve that level. The change you seem to demand could just as easily bring the likes of Burns, Nagel. Cummings or Lauterbur whose winning percentages were .354,.343, .325 and .135 respectively. And remember Burns went on to a successful coaching career in the NFL and Lauterbur had one if not two undefeated seasons at Toledo before coming to Iowa.-

So, we should just be happy that we have enough players to field a football team. Iowa is small and being good or competitive here should never be expected. If we win that's great, if we lose awe shucks try harder next time. KF needs more fans like you, he could ride this job out another 15 years and then just give the keys to his kids for the next fifty years. The attitude will get us to door mat level real quick, and Iowa will be the laughing stock of college football. A lot like our friends north of Des Moines. No thank you!!!!

 

[herecomethehawkeyes]

Wisconsin is the only major school in that state.

As for your first paragraph, what exactly are you hoping to "win" here? validation from a stranger on a message board?

but, if we aren't in a rich recruiting environment as the OP suggests, it shouldn't matter if we lose the in state recruits to the cyclones.

as far as the first paragraph, I am just trying to figure out what the OP is trying to prove. he claims people expect 10 wins a year....and when called on it he then turns around and says that nobody really expects 10 wins a year. sounds like he is just throwing crap on the wall to see what sticks

 

[herecomethehawkeyes]

\And the odd comment that any power 5 team with a pulse would win 8 of 10 against Iowa's scheduled power 5 opponents, who apparently play dead people.

if you are referring to my comment, I said any Power 5 team with a pulse should be able to win 8 games with this schedule...which is not just limited to the Power 5 opponents. If you are being honest, how many games over the last few years have been closer than it shouldve?....against opponents that you used to see the 2nd team come in during the 3rd quarter and close it out?

I know there has been a game here and there where we saw that over the last few years, but more often than not a lot of these games have been way to close late in the 2nd half.

 

[rclui57]

Oregon has been mentioned in this post. One final question. Where is the Nike and the Nike CEO organization that poured so much money into the Oregon program anywhere supporting the Iowa program? And who knows the real innards of the Oregon situation? Once Nike became involved there has been a hug differential between the results at Oregon and Oregon State. Before that occurred they were pretty well equal in results in football.

 

[LifelongHawk]

With the schedule they have, any power 5 team with a pulse could get 10 wins with this schedule.

And the odd comment that any power 5 team with a pulse would win 8 of 10 against Iowa's scheduled power 5 opponents, who apparently play dead people.

if you are referring to my comment, I said any Power 5 team with a pulse should be able to win 8 games with this schedule...which is not just limited to the Power 5 opponents

OK. One of us stands corrected.

Question for the people, lets call you collectively the dissenters, what are you rooting for in the first 2 weeks vs ISUs? Odds of KF being axed go way up imo with a loss to either, would you prefer to lose to get rid of KF?

 

[theIowaHawk]

Oregon has been mentioned in this post. One final question. Where is the Nike and the Nike CEO organization that poured so much money into the Oregon program anywhere supporting the Iowa program? And who knows the real innards of the Oregon situation? Once Nike became involved there has been a hug differential between the results at Oregon and Oregon State. Before that occurred they were pretty well equal in results in football.

But, we shouldn't discount reasons for their success. Obviously Chip Kelly has proved his worth, but before him was Mike Bellotti who laid a damn good base for Chip to immediately build on. Oregon got incredible support from Knight/Nike, but at the same time took advantage to build a great program. You couldn't rebuild that program with just any staff. Bellotti had them NC-eligible in the early 00's.

 

[herecomethehawkeyes]

Oregon has been mentioned in this post. One final question. Where is the Nike and the Nike CEO organization that poured so much money into the Oregon program anywhere supporting the Iowa program? And who knows the real innards of the Oregon situation? Once Nike became involved there has been a hug differential between the results at Oregon and Oregon State. Before that occurred they were pretty well equal in results in football.

smh, somehow i knew the Nike thing was going to come into play in the rebuttal re: oregon. Thats why I even acknowledged it in my very first post of this thread that the Nike money is a huge draw. Pihl knight has helped them build some nice facilities. some people think the uniform thing is obnoxious.....i say it gets people talking, gets fans excited and its hard to argue with their performance on the field in recent years. it sounds like Oregon has taken steps to ensure that they were not relegated to the historical winning percentages that you seem to think teams should be stuck in.

I see you are still dodging the statement that you made about posters expecting 10 wins a season

 

[herecomethehawkeyes]

OK. One of us stands corrected.

Question for the people, lets call you collectively the dissenters, what are you rooting for in the first 2 weeks vs ISUs? Odds of KF being axed go way up imo with a loss to either, would you prefer to lose to get rid of KF?

if its going to be a boring game, or a game that requires come from behind heroics then we might as well honestly lose. I've been to too many games in Kinnick over the past few years that have been absolute snorefests or just complete clusterf**ks. ....have fallen to sleep on the couch watching the Hawkeyes on TV because of a boring offense. If we are going to be subjected to 4 yard catches on a 3 and 7, may as well take an early loss or two rather than delay this whole thing out longer than it needs to. Too be fair, there have been some exciting games here and there...but the dull, underwhelming games have outnumbered the exciting ones I have atteneded.

I honestly hit my limit last year at the Nebraska game, when it was looking like a hawkeye route was going to take place only to let that lead slip away and lose. I decided right there that i would never attend a game in Kinnick with this coaching staff in place. I know the U of I won't miss the ticket sales for the 2 games or so that I attended each year for the last 15 years or so.

 

[theIowaHawk]

Pihl knight has helped them build some nice facilities.

Yeah, well stated, some "nice" facilities.

 

[theIowaHawk]

if its going to be a boring game, or a game that requires come from behind heroics then we might as well honestly lose. I've been to too many games in Kinnick over the past few years that have been absolute snorefests or just complete clusterf**ks. ....have fallen to sleep on the couch watching the Hawkeyes on TV because of a boring offense. If we are going to be subjected to 4 yard catches on a 3 and 7, may as well take an early loss or two rather than delay this whole thing out longer than it needs to. Too be fair, there have been some exciting games here and there...but the dull, underwhelming games have outnumbered the exciting ones I have atteneded.

I honestly hit my limit last year at the Nebraska game, when it was looking like a hawkeye route was going to take place only to let that lead slip away and lose. I decided right there that i would never attend a game in Kinnick with this coaching staff in place. I know the U of I won't miss the ticket sales for the 2 games or so that I attended each year for the last 15 years or so.

Says the poster who will be screaming, "NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP BABY!!!!!" if Iowa wins every game by a score of 6-4.

 

[RocknRollface]

One has to laugh. I received what I expected. No one specifically said 10 wins/ year, but the implications of the many comments suggest this is what we should expect.

Be careful of what you are demanding. A change, and I am not necessarily opposed to it. But look at the long history of Iowa football. A weak state in football players a small population and distance from where quantity of talent prevails. One mentions a few players we have had from Florida. Yes, a few and there are 85 scholarships on a team so a few helps, but not to the extent needed.

We were fortunate to retain the likes of Evashevski, Fry and Ferentz. You all seem unsatisfied with an 8 win season, a .667 winning percent. None of the three mentioned coaches were able to achieve that level. The change you seem to demand could just as easily bring the likes of Burns, Nagel. Cummings or Lauterbur whose winning percentages were .354,.343, .325 and .135 respectively. And remember Burns went on to a successful coaching career in the NFL and Lauterbur had one if not two undefeated seasons at Toledo before coming to Iowa.-

That's ridiculouse.

The expectations you are assigning to people who are ready to change are very innacurate.

Fry and Ferentz (first ten years) played a very different schedule than what Kirk has been fumbling around with for the last 4 years.

Let me lay this out for you.

1. 1aa
2. Mac
3. ISU (worst p5 program ever)
4. Decent P5 team at best
5. Minesota
6. Northwestern
7. Purdue

That's 7 games that are going to be on Iowas schedule every year.

This is not the days of playing OSU, UM, PSU, MSU like Hayden did and Kirk once did.

This is the cream puff division of college football.

What we want is to not struggle against teams that ARE NOT GOOD.

Putting up mediocre records against this schedule means you are putting a terrible product on the field.

It's means you win 7 games against this crap and then get destroyed in a nobody cares bowl against a 6-6 team from another conference because that's where you are really at.

 

[RocknRollface]

Dissatisfaction with Ferentz can be summed up with consistently losing to bad or mediocre teams.

 

[LifelongHawk]

if its going to be a boring game, or a game that requires come from behind heroics then we might as well honestly lose. I've been to too many games in Kinnick over the past few years that have been absolute snorefests or just complete clusterf**ks. ....have fallen to sleep on the couch watching the Hawkeyes on TV because of a boring offense. If we are going to be subjected to 4 yard catches on a 3 and 7, may as well take an early loss or two rather than delay this whole thing out longer than it needs to. Too be fair, there have been some exciting games here and there...but the dull, underwhelming games have outnumbered the exciting ones I have atteneded.

I honestly hit my limit last year at the Nebraska game, when it was looking like a hawkeye route was going to take place only to let that lead slip away and lose. I decided right there that i would never attend a game in Kinnick with this coaching staff in place. I know the U of I won't miss the ticket sales for the 2 games or so that I attended each year for the last 15 years or so.

Thanks for that response, would appreciate view of any other dissenters willing to share. No judgment on my part intended at all; I'm a college bball guy (with former connections to the college game and the Iowa program), and have been in the camp of no hope or reason to give much of a damn till we get rid of THAT guy. More than once. Still watched and couldn't help but root for the guys though, there were always players that deserved respect and support as part of my favorite program.

So I totally get the cognitive dissonance I see in others. You say "if its going to be" and "If we are going to be subjected to" they might as well lose. So on the first 3 and 7, you are going to be all if they throw it 7 yards or more I hope it is complete but if its thrown 4 I hope its intercepted? Or if we trail, you will root for blowout rather than comeback? Interesting situation to me, and you are obviously not alone.

With football, I'm more of a casual fan that has loved the social aspect, so many fun times. While it is generically more fun with more people in a better mood in the good times, there has been a certain joy in bad times in being one of the diehard blind supporters. Have some (edit on reflection: lots) of neat memories of those situations as well, and sometimes wonder if its a dying breed of joy.

 

[theIowaHawk]

That's ridiculouse.

The expectations you are assigning to people who are ready to change are very innacurate.

Fry and Ferentz (first ten years) played a very different schedule than what Kirk has been fumbling around with for the last 4 years.

Let me lay this out for you.

1. 1aa
2. Mac
3. ISU (worst p5 program ever)
4. Decent P5 team at best
5. Minesota
6. Northwestern
7. Purdue

That's 7 games that are going to be on Iowas schedule every year.

This is not the days of playing OSU, UM, PSU, MSU like Hayden did and Kirk once did.

This is the cream puff division of college football.

What we want is to not struggle against teams that ARE NOT GOOD.

Putting up mediocre records against this schedule means you are putting a terrible product on the field.

It's means you win 7 games against this crap and then get destroyed in a nobody cares bowl against a 6-6 team from another conference because that's where you are really at.

Of course you put in 1AA knowing it won't be on the schedule in the future, and you leave off Wisconsin and Nebraska, two ranked teams the majority of years. Also you put in Minnesota as a negative, which seems absurd, if for only rivalry reasons.

Let's use random Hayden years, throw out any you want. How about 1993? Northern Illinois, Tulsa, Iowa State...and those very same Purdue, Northwestern, Indiana, Illinois....

Oh you mean college football scheduling changed? Of course. Does that mean KF and HF are incomparable? Maybe for an idiot.

 

[hawkfan37]

Well, I don't think it's wrong to expect a 10 win season every few years. Bad seasons are acceptable every now and then, but not when the ceiling seems to become 8 wins.

 

[RocknRollface]

Of course you put in 1AA knowing it won't be on the schedule in the future, and you leave off Wisconsin and Nebraska, two ranked teams the majority of years. Also you put in Minnesota as a negative, which seems absurd, if for only rivalry reasons.

Let's use random Hayden years, throw out any you want. How about 1993? Northern Illinois, Tulsa, Iowa State...and those very same Purdue, Northwestern, Indiana, Illinois....

Oh you mean college football scheduling changed? Of course. Does that mean KF and HF are incomparable? Maybe for an idiot.

Only an idiot would think the schedules that Iowa has been playing the last 4 years and will continue to play now in the west division are comparable in difficulty to ones played 1980-2010.

Are you seriously trying to argue that the west is going to be anywhere near as difficult a schedule as the old big ten?