I feel sorry for Beth Goetz
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I'm rooting for Iowa State to win the national championship this year. Kirk can't be allowed to come back next year. Matt Campbell would immediately have any coaching job he wants, so then ISU falls back down to where they traditionally have been, and hopefully there would be a major urgency to transform Iowa into a football powerhouse.
As I stated in another thread, this is how the conversation would need to start:
Beth: "You know coach, some day your statue will be outside Kinnick. Hell, if things go right, it might even be called Kinnick-Ferentz by then."
Kirk: "Awwww, shucks."
Beth: "Wouldn't it be something if you and Mary were still alive when that happened, so you could be there to enjoy it?"
Kirk: "Yeah....wait....what?"
[long pause]
Beth: "Why don't you stop by my office later so we can chat about your future."
There is no amount of cajoling, pleading, or common-sense discussion that Beth can have with KF that will get him to leave. He's on record as recently as his 1 game suspension saying he doesn't want to be away from the game. He's got 5 season left on his current contract paying him $7M/year plus incentives. He isn't negotiating any kind of buyout that doesn't pay him 100% of what is owed him....and neither would any of the posters on this board.
So we can all bitch and moan (myself included.....I'm certainly at the point that I'm ready for new blood) that this needs to be KF's last year, that Beth needs to convince him to retire, etc, etc. But KF has the university by the short hairs and if they want him gone, they're going to have to pay every dollar owed him on his contract. I was previously in the camp that said just take the increased TV money and buy him out, but the TV deal is pretty backloaded, so the dollars for the next couple of years are just slightly more than they previously were, so I honestly don't think the University can afford that.....unless the Moon family truckstop is rolling in cash and they kick in the money to do it.
So we can all bitch and moan (myself included.....I'm certainly at the point that I'm ready for new blood) that this needs to be KF's last year, that Beth needs to convince him to retire, etc, etc. But KF has the university by the short hairs and if they want him gone, they're going to have to pay every dollar owed him on his contract. I was previously in the camp that said just take the increased TV money and buy him out, but the TV deal is pretty backloaded, so the dollars for the next couple of years are just slightly more than they previously were, so I honestly don't think the University can afford that.....unless the Moon family truckstop is rolling in cash and they kick in the money to do it.
Heck of a lot tougher road to playoff in Iowa City. I think Campbell and his agent should ask for a kings ransom because seats are going to get damn hot in a hurry in playoff era.
If Beth is a “stone cold killer” she won’t be waiting until their contracts are up. Time will tell.
See my post above yours.
His buyout is negotiable...just a matter of how "dirty" Iowa wants to get about it.
Cutting that in half is more than doable, maybe even better than that if they actually do consider a stadium name change/addition.
No way he wants to tarnish his legacy by finishing out his career as a 6-6 (at best) coach.
Plus, that would take him well under the 60% winning% needed to get into the HoF.
MSU had a huge hole to dig out of following Tucker's dismissal. They're doing good. Indiana had a big hole following Tom Allen's departure. They're killing it. In the age of portal, there's no hole too big that can't be dug out in a short period of time.
It's only negotiable if KF wants it to be. He holds all the cards.
True, but I'd like to think Mary and his children would sit him down and talk some sense into him.
A lot at stake from a legacy perspective...and at the end of the day, that is what it's all about.
I agree with everything you said, but the last part. Iowa Athletics has a been a good ‘ol boys club for awhile now, and Beth won’t be able to change that overnight. She already had the guts to fire one of the worst OC’s in college football history who happened to also be the son of the tenured HC. As far as I am concerned, she’s definitely earned a long stay as our AD. 😍
I'm honestly starting to wonder about "legacy" with KF and whether that's really important to him or not. I think he just loves coaching football, period. He's even hinted recently that he'd love to finish out his career and retire as an OL coach because ultimately, his first love is teaching the game. I honestly don't know whether he gives 2 shits about win total, HOF, etc, etc. I just think he wants to continue to coach the game until someone tells him he can't anymore or until he doesn't like it anymore....whichever comes first.
I still think the BF firing was more Wilson than Goetz. I think Goetz ended up being the mouth piece, but I think Wilson instigated the move. If you look at Wilson's track record, particularly at Illinois, the BF move seems right up her alley. And frankly, with as new as Beth was to the position, I don't know that she had enough capital built up to be able to make a move of that magnitude on her own.
No thanks.
I haven't seen enough yet to sell me on him. And his HC resume before coming here is not overly compelling.
I'd rather see them try to go the route of bringing in an FCS or DII guy who brings several key players with him via the portal. Especially with a complete overhaul of the offense implementing a mobile, running QB and the attitude that scoring points wins games.
This.
The continued talk of a buy out is beyond stupid. KF is not getting fired, folks. It's not happening today, the end of the season, or after 2026. Iowa has the 10th most wins in college FB the last ten years and season tickets sold out...no coach at Iowa will ever be fired with those results.
BS. the last 10 years should not be a significant factor in a retention/extension of contract evaluation. Athletic Directors are perpetually forward looking and tasked with evaluating the present state of each program through that lens.
re: Ferentz. A negotiated retirement is far more preferable to termination…but that outcome is almost entirely dependent on KF.
the decisions in Iowa City are made on the other side of the river and are financially driven. If you want KF gone you, and many more, will have to stop attending games.
The wheels would have to completely come off the car for KF to be fired and anyone who believes otherwise is foolish.
“wheels completely off the car” is a vague and mostly useless standard. In any event, I don’t believe the University is so incompetent that they are unable to recognize that the car has already lost a couple wheels and will not shift out of neutral.
I agree with your post. I also think we have perhaps seen the beginning of the wheels starting to fall off. Kirk has obviously dug in his heels and winning out from here looks anything but certain. We have much to fix on both sides of the ball. Next season looks like the beginning of a downturn any way you slice it.
I think President Wilson forcing Brian out last season marked the beginning of some discontent with the program on the other side of the river. Losing prestige in state with Iowa State having success adds fuel to the fire. We can all agree Kirk won't get fired but that doesn't mean that pressure won't come from behind the scenes.
doubtful. Wouldn’t do it after a 10-2 season.
Also… Kinnick-Ferentz stadium. No. Hell no.
Why would anyone feel sorry for Beth? She has a terrific job. Her decisions are pretty plain to understand.
I don’t feel sorry for the job and income she enjoys, she knew what she signed on for. What sucks is that Ferentz is going to make getting rid of him a shit show. If he stays through the 2025 season, the buyout will be somewhere around $23M. With a $3.3BN endowment, I think the university can find a way to kick this pompous ass hole to the curb.
… and I’d like to see them do it after win #204, keeping him one win away from his coveted record.
This is key.
And it speaks directly to the fear based crowd of fans afraid of change and afraid of potential failure.
A football rebuild in the current pro football environment that is today's FBS level ball is nothing like it was even 5 years ago.
Teams can completely change from one year to the next with wholesale free agency that never existed before.
I'll be pissed if they mess with the name of the stadium in any way, shape, or form.
It's Kinnick F*****g Stadium.
I mean, Kinnick Stadium.
And it needs to stay that way.
Not that I disagree with you, but it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world if KF was willing to retire at the end of the year and forego 80% of his buyout letting Iowa off the hook.
I don't know. It might be the worst thing in the world.
I suppose there's always the possibility that I'm overreacting.
Were you around from 92-98? We are nowhere near that point and JHF called his shot, thinking this situation will go any differently is naive.
I hope this board is therapeutic for those that get enraged over losses, a place to vent so you're not a jerk to those around you in the real world, but thinking Iowa is going to fire the winningest coach in school, and soon-to-be B1G history, over a season that fell short of expectations is laughable.
KF will call his shot on when he wants to leave, whether you like it or not.
I can agree with this.
People live so in the moment and are very reactionary, leaders of the athletic dept and university are not. I also believe the expectations here are not the same as the expectations of leadership making the decisions.
If Iowa has an 8-4 average, and a full stadium, no head coach is going anywhere in Iowa City.
Matt Campbell would probably not even take Beth's call. I'll bet he's turned down better jobs than Iowa. He likes where he's at given the current stability/safety of the Big 12.
Thinking that Kirk Ferentz has some kind of super authority to unilaterally “call his shot” on when he will leave Iowa is equally laughable.
Okay fine. But would they fire by far the losingest coach in both school and B1G history?
Not unless or before Kirk personally decides to call his shot….. whenever that may be …..according to when he, and he alone, deems proper.
…..unless the wheels come all the way off. So to speak. If you know what I mean.
I wouldn't equate Ferentz's accomplishments with those of people like Nick Saban, Bobby Bowden, Bear Bryant, and those in that pantheon... and even then, Saban is the only one who ever earned the "when he wants to" consideration.
If the administration puts Ferentz on that level, then we have bigger issues than him stepping down whenever he wants.
I believe Kirk will be shown the light, whether he likes it or not.
No one man is bigger than the program.
What… is Gary Barta doing the negotiating? We will name the stadium after you if you leave. That’s ridiculous.
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