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Confirmed ...vouchers were a handout to wealthy.

All you do is repeat yourselves and cry about a law that has already been passed. Not much left to do but laugh at you.
I don't give a fvck about the law in Iowa. If your only defense of it is that it passed then you've already lost on the merits. You certainly haven't been able to defend it on its "merits" - and I use that term sarcastically.
 
I can’t help you understand. This has been discussed over and over and either the problem isn’t sinking in, or you’re perfectly fine giving our tax dollars to people who don’t need it. If PRIVATE schools get to pick and choose, then our money shouldn’t go to them. It’s a grift, man.
So should people on Obama Care, Medicare and Medicade be able to choose what doctors and hospitals they use? Most of the money used to pay for those services comes from tax dollars. It's a grift man.
 
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I don't give a fvck about the law in Iowa. If your only defense of it is that it passed then you've already lost on the merits. You certainly haven't been able to defend it on its "merits" - and I use that term sarcastically.
It's been sufficiently defended you just don't like the law so you refuse to accept the merits. Unions and far left zealots made their beds and now can't stand the fact they are being forced to sleep in them.
 
Yep, anyone with a brain knew he was pulling stuff out of his ass with the "more diverse" part.

Problem for Pine is that he's so far down the rabbit hole that there's no way to exit this convo gracefully.
Yep. That's why he resorts to making shit up. And that still doesn't sway the argument in his favor so he's left with "the law passed, deal with it" as his defense. What he doesn't realize is we are dealing with it and the groundswell will continue to grow.
 
So should people on Obama Care, Medicare and Medicade be able to choose what doctors and hospitals they use? Most of the money used to pay for those services comes from tax dollars. It's a grift man.
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I don't agree much with pinehawk on this subject but he isn't wrong on this part. Many, some, dozens, tens, however you want to quantify it. The flip side is also true. (many!!!) Families with means have also enrolled due to the handouts.
There are far, far more families with means are getting this handout than students coming from public schools, let alone minorities coming in from public school. That's the real point here that pinehawk is desperately trying to avoid.
 
There are far, far more families with means are getting this handout than students coming from public schools, let alone minorities coming in from public school. That's the real point here that pinehawk is desperately trying to avoid.
Funny how you call him out for throwing out numbers but yet you do the same.
 
No.

"Far more diverse than most public schools across this state."
I get what you are saying but you think an elementary school in kossuth county is diverse? And there are hundreds of those in all corners of Iowa. Anyway, I'm not defending the law because I actually do not agree with it so I'm done.
 
I don't agree much with pinehawk on this subject but he isn't wrong on this part. Many, some, dozens, tens, however you want to quantify it. The flip side is also true. (many!!!) Families with means have also enrolled due to the handouts.
His many means 5.
 
There are far, far more families with means are getting this handout than students coming from public schools, let alone minorities coming in from public school. That's the real point here that pinehawk is desperately trying to avoid.
Pine laughs at this post. This is fact which shows how GD ridiculous he is.
 
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I'm eagerly awaiting an upcoming announcement of just how much of an increase the tuition the private schools in Iowa will have for the 24/25 school year.
 
It shouldn't matter what the families each individual financial situation is. All families pay in, all families should get to decide where to use their money. You are going to get rich families that want their public schools and vice versa.

The public school defenders just feel threatened now they don't have a full monopoly on your kids and the money.
 
It shouldn't matter what the families each individual financial situation is. All families pay in, all families should get to decide where to use their money. You are going to get rich families that want their public schools and vice versa.

The public school defenders just feel threatened now they don't have a full monopoly on your kids and the money.
Nope.

The complaint all along has been private schools can pick and choose who they accept.

Public schools don't have that luxury.

It's not a difficult concept to understand.
 
It shouldn't matter what the families each individual financial situation is. All families pay in, all families should get to decide where to use their money. You are going to get rich families that want their public schools and vice versa.

The public school defenders just feel threatened now they don't have a full monopoly on your kids and the money.
I don't have children in school, should I get to decide where my education tax dollars are spent?
 
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No, when you have a child though, then you will get to decide where to take your eligible education dollars.
I'm 63 years old with no children, I've been contributing to the education of Iowa children all my life. I am happy to do so because I believe in education. I've always had the opportunity to vote for school board members that represent my views or to attend school board meetings where I can express my opinions. Now that some of my tax dollars go to private schools, I have no voice in how those dollars should be spent.
 
Now that some of my tax dollars go to private schools, I have no voice in how those dollars should be spent.
Yes, you do, by voting. You had a chance to vote out the people who were vocal about implementing this. But, the majority decided to move forward with Reynolds and her school choice plan anyway.
 
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Yes, you do, by voting. You had a chance to vote out the people who were vocal about implementing this. But, the majority decided to move forward with Reynolds and her school choice plan anyway.
No matter who is governor I still have a voice in public education, that's not true with private schools no matter how you spin it. I know you are very much in favor of private school vouchers, but the majority of Iowans are not.
 
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Yes, you do, by voting. You had a chance to vote out the people who were vocal about implementing this. But, the majority decided to move forward with Reynolds and her school choice plan anyway.
This 1000%

People are acting like this was a new event and came out of the blue. She campaigned on this very topic and turned it into law.
 
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