Congrats to I-State...

[anon_i8nzeu2gbf0ba]

...The team from Ames that is headed to the NCAA tournament without ONE player from the state of Iowa on its roster. Well done.

Oh, and BTW, that's the same I-State team that lost convincingly to the IOWA Hawkeyes, 78-64, even though the Hawkeyes have SEVEN IOWA players on their 15-man roster, most of whom play significant minutes. One made the Big Ten all-freshman first team, and one was the BIG's sixth man of the year.

FWIW.

 

[Jan Itor]

...The team from Ames that is headed to the NCAA tournament without ONE player from the state of Iowa on its roster. Well done.

Oh, and BTW, that's the same I-State team that lost convincingly to the IOWA Hawkeyes, 78-64, even though the Hawkeyes have SEVEN IOWA players on their 15-man roster, most of whom play significant minutes. One made the Big Ten all-freshman first team, and one was the BIG's sixth man of the year.

FWIW.

You're talking smack about 5 seed in the NCAA Tourney when our team is in the NIT? Weak.

 

[BeardedAxeWound]

 

[Pepperman]

OP needs to stop.

 

[Row55]

I'll give them credit for sucking it up and playing to their potential in the conference tournament.

 

[HemiHawk]

No players from Iowa!

 

[Iafootballfan]

*Sigh*

 

[83Hawk]

Considering how much Iowa State probably paid for their players, they *better* do well.

 

[Ronman]

They don't really care about any of that stuff.

 

[anon_bb9wlf9kj42py]

FWIW.

You pretty much said it here.

 

[Pepperman]

They don't really care about any of that stuff.

Are we going to sit here and claim we do? I couldn't care less where the players come from myself. Now, it is one thing to have to watch great talent consistently leave the state, but to act like it matters that ISU is winning without native Iowans is stupid (and perhaps wrong for all I know).

 

[relishingwinning18]

Are we going to sit here and claim we do? I couldn't care less where the players come from myself. Now, it is one thing to have to watch great talent consistently leave the state, but to act like it matters that ISU is winning without native Iowans is stupid (and perhaps wrong for all I know).

I don't think anyone on ISU's roster screams "bad person" by any means. Cocky, yes, but that's fun to watch. They are playing well, now let's stop with these idiotic posts.

 

[JEDN]

Go home OP!

 

[N.Legend]

...The team from Ames that is headed to the NCAA tournament without ONE player from the state of Iowa on its roster. Well done.

Oh, and BTW, that's the same I-State team that lost convincingly to the IOWA Hawkeyes, 78-64, even though the Hawkeyes have SEVEN IOWA players on their 15-man roster, most of whom play significant minutes. One made the Big Ten all-freshman first team, and one was the BIG's sixth man of the year.

Congrats for playing Iowa kids...Whoops UNO just scored again. That's Ok we can beat Northwestern. Wait... We are really happy that we have a roster top heavy with Iowa Kids. What? You say they didn't have
many other options? Well you can say all you want but not many teams made the NIT. Does South Dakota have lots of home grown talent?

FWIW.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

I was cheering for them in the Big 12 title game and I will cheer for them on Thursday. I cheer/root against the when they play Iowa. Outside of that game I will cheer for them.

Hell Phrom silenced a lot of naysayers in the state. A lot of people wonder if we would be able to keep the success going and the first 2 years he has. So credit to him and the players.

Best of luck in the NCAA.

 

[stender72865]

OP is not 100% accurate. Wes Greder is from Ames and went to nearby Gilbert HS. Granted, he is not a huge contributor, but he IS ON the roster.

Maybe Iowa needs to recruit less Iowa players? The state of Iowa, with such a small population base, is not ideal to center your recruiting. Maybe Fran can't get top out of state kids to come to IC? I'm really happy that Prohm got a Californian (Solomon Young) to come to Ames.

With a few exceptions, I'm sure most schools don't limit themselves to "in-state" recruits. If you do, you are likely getting beat.

I don't think Iowa fans would have minded Michigan native Monte Morris in uniform the last four years. How about a couple Wisconsin natives in Thomas or Burton? Naz Long can really shoot. Oops, he's from Ontario. Do not want.

Right or wrong, both Iowa State, Iowa, and even UNI + Drake, need to recruit beyond our borders to compete at the national level.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

While I agree that you have to recruit outside of your boarders, if there is a 4-5 star kid in Iowa you have take a shot at them. Too many good players from the state Iowa have left in the past and mainly because (ISU & Iowa) were crappy programs for a while. Now they are both coming back/are back, so you have players from in-state interested in your programs again.

The problem both Iowa & ISU got unbalanced classes (IA last year & ISU this year). So there is going to be rough patches until you can balance your classes. Iowa doesnt' look like its going happen until this freshman group graduates. ISU seems to have balanced their classes better after this year. Be interesting to see how they fair w/out this current group of seniors. Could be better, Could be worse. Iowa fans were thinking that Iowa was going to be worse this year and they surprised some people. ISU will find out next year.

I will say this Fran has made a push to get into Chicago, STL, and other areas. He is trying to get kids from the midwest (most likely to attend). Trying to get kids from CA or out east is more difficult. More programs to fight against and tougher recruiting grounds.

I think both programs are in fine shape. Now what happens moving forward remains to be seen.

 

[kceasthawk]

Are we going to sit here and claim we do? I couldn't care less where the players come from myself. Now, it is one thing to have to watch great talent consistently leave the state, but to act like it matters that ISU is winning without native Iowans is stupid (and perhaps wrong for all I know).

You'd have to admit Pepper, its a little hypocritical for all the posts that are on here about keeping the top players in the state,(locking down the borders), and then for people to say they don't care where the players come from. Do I think we need the majority of our roster filled by instate players? Not necessarily, but it gives many native Iowans an extra sense of pride to hear the announcers talk about that kid from Dubuque, or Cedar Rapids, or Bettendorf.

 

[DanL53]

I almost didn't open the thread as the title turned my stomach. Glad I looked and I'd like to toss my support behind the OP.

I don't give a rats rear about Iowa State. I do care that Iowa gets talented Iowa high school players and think it's stupid to think we shouldn't. But that's about par for the course for a few self-hating Hawkeye fans. You want to see Wieskamp change his mind and go to a blue blood!?!? I suppose some would like to see that so they can bitch about it.

Some folk just like to cry and complain and I suppose this is a good place to do it and I'd guess in real life if you even look sideways there must be somebody, a wife, the kids, a boss, your dog, giving you what for just for thinking something in the first place. I'll try to be more understanding. (This is my Don Rickles sense of humor...don't really mean it, you Hockey Pucks! I really won't try to be more understanding.)

Meanwhile, I have no problem with a poster trash talking that cesspool filled with piranhas called Iowa State. They are annoying as he!! Can't ignore them, they come right in and make themselves at home. Can't insult them, they cry like babies. Can't beat the living #$% out of them as it is illegal.

So, I felt like a good rant and I'm glad I opened the thread so I can spread misery to the worthy. I am looking forward to things changing starting next year as at least the Iowa State fans will go back under the fridge when the lights come on. Ya know you still got 'em, but out of sight, out of mind and all that.

 

[kceasthawk]

OP is not 100% accurate. Wes Greder is from Ames and went to nearby Gilbert HS. Granted, he is not a huge contributor, but he IS ON the roster.

Maybe Iowa needs to recruit less Iowa players? The state of Iowa, with such a small population base, is not ideal to center your recruiting. Maybe Fran can't get top out of state kids to come to IC? I'm really happy that Prohm got a Californian (Solomon Young) to come to Ames.

With a few exceptions, I'm sure most schools don't limit themselves to "in-state" recruits. If you do, you are likely getting beat.

I don't think Iowa fans would have minded Michigan native Monte Morris in uniform the last four years. How about a couple Wisconsin natives in Thomas or Burton? Naz Long can really shoot. Oops, he's from Ontario. Do not want.

Right or wrong, both Iowa State, Iowa, and even UNI + Drake, need to recruit beyond our borders to compete at the national level.

Seriously? So who said we didn't want any out of state players? I didn't see that anywhere. Did we not recruit, Cook, Moss, Uhl, Wagner, Ellingson, Dailey, Garza, or Nunge? So how are we only recruiting Iowa players? Are you trying to tell us, that you wouldn't like to have Jbo, Pemsl, Baer, Weiskamp in Ames, or that they would have come even if you had recruited them? CLOWN...............

 

[sadiehawkins]

You'd have to admit Pepper, its a little hypocritical for all the posts that are on here about keeping the top players in the state,(locking down the borders), and then for people to say they don't care where the players come from. Do I think we need the majority of our roster filled by instate players? Not necessarily, but it gives many native Iowans an extra sense of pride to hear the announcers talk about that kid from Dubuque, or Cedar Rapids, or Bettendorf.

Could care less where the players come from as long as we win. YES I am a native Iowan. How many Iowan's started on Iowas best teams The yr we went undefeated Ralph Miller. The yr Ronnie played and What yr was it that BJ,Horton Gamble Marble and was it lohaus.

 

[kceasthawk]

Could care less where the players come from as long as we win. YES I am a native Iowan. How many Iowan's started on Iowas best teams The yr we went undefeated Ralph Miller. The yr Ronnie played and What yr was it that BJ,Horton Gamble Marble and was it lohaus.

And thats fine, its your opinion. Didn't say we have to have mostly Iowa players either. But if your going to come on here and say that if Weiskamp, Pemsl, Jbo went to Wisconsin or Illinois, or Kansas, and became all league players, that it wouldn't or shouldn't bother Hawk fans, then your full of it.

 

[Fan In Black]

Good. I hope the trend continues. Less compitetion for the kids when the state does produce them.

 

[DanL53]

Could care less where the players come from as long as we win. YES I am a native Iowan. How many Iowan's started on Iowas best teams The yr we went undefeated Ralph Miller. The yr Ronnie played and What yr was it that BJ,Horton Gamble Marble and was it lohaus.

Yeah! Who needs guys like Gannon, Waite, Hanson on a final four team!

We'd have been way better off without Horner, Brunner, Haluska, Oliver, Street, Settles..........all the way back to Murray Weir and even before then!

You are right, GirlyDance, in fact we oughta get everybody from as far away from Iowa as possible. Bangladesh maybe!

 

[SDHawkDoc]

I want Iowa to make it back to the final four.
I don't care if that's with all native Iowa players, no native Iowans, or some mix in between.
The best players in state for any given year may, or may not, be able to help with that. I'd like to see a Harrison Barnes or Marcus Paige at Iowa. But I don't expect Fran to bring in players from Iowa just because they grew up here. That's not a priority.

 

[anon_bb9wlf9kj42py]

I think it's totally reasonable to want to get the best Iowa kids on your team. I think it's also totally reasonable to not really care where they come from. I think ISU would be in a lot better shape next year if they had Pemsl or JBo, who I was initially not high on but really like how they have done this year. I'll be the first to admit I was totally wrong about them and wish them nothing but the best in an Iowa uniform. I fully expect Weiskamp to be a transcendent player for Iowa. A lot to look forward to in the coming years for this group of native Iowans on the team.

I truly believe Naz is one of the greatest Cyclones ever just in the sense of how much he loves the school. I think we all like having the local kids on our teams. However I'll admit there is something really cool about seeing guys come in from all over the country to your school and be totally transformed by the experience. It's fun to see guys come from other programs that don't quite have the support ISU does and see how they have been grateful for it. I've said it a thousand times but if what ISU has done the last few years is the wrong way, I don't wanna be right.

 

[kceasthawk]

I want Iowa to make it back to the final four.
I don't care if that's with all native Iowa players, no native Iowans, or some mix in between.
The best players in state for any given year may, or may not, be able to help with that. I'd like to see a Harrison Barnes or Marcus Paige at Iowa. But I don't expect Fran to bring in players from Iowa just because they grew up here. That's not a priority.

Good God, Nobody said Fran should recruit a bunch of no name, no playing guys because their Iowa high school kids. It happens right now that we have 4 star kids in Iowa, and Fran has put himself in a great position to recruit them, BECAUSE, !), he landed Woodbury, not North Carolina. 2). He has been building a relationship with in state high schools, and AAU programs. 3). He has shown instate players that Iowa is the school that builds a foundation on Top Iowa talent.
Do you honestly not think that Fran has positioned Iowa to be in a better position to land the next Paige, Barnes, or Lafrentz, because if the groundwork he's laid? This is the key.
Fran and his staff worked hard to land Cook, Garza, and Nunge, so its not like he's limiting his recruiting either.

 

[NinerHawk]

Congrats to ISU. I think their game against Nevada will be a good one. Lots of 3s.

 

[SDHawkDoc]

Good God, Nobody said Fran should recruit a bunch of no name, no playing guys because their Iowa high school kids.

I don't know how you jumped to that over reaction, but that is a straw man.

 

[Fan In Black]

Gross. Congratulating ISU.

 

[Pepperman]

You'd have to admit Pepper, its a little hypocritical for all the posts that are on here about keeping the top players in the state,(locking down the borders), and then for people to say they don't care where the players come from. Do I think we need the majority of our roster filled by instate players? Not necessarily, but it gives many native Iowans an extra sense of pride to hear the announcers talk about that kid from Dubuque, or Cedar Rapids, or Bettendorf.

Like I said, I don't want to see "top players" leaving the state. To me, these are the players like a Harrison Barnes, Kirk Heinrich, Raef Lafrentz types. I'm sure there are plenty of other examples. FOR SURE Iowa needs to pursue these kids. However, if Iowa went to the final four and didn't have a single native Iowan, I'm not going to be like "well, you know, this would be better if..."

 

[DanL53]

I don't know how you jumped to that over reaction, but that is a straw man.

Not really a straw. Because this isn't even an issue unless we pretend that somebody, somewhere, ever said we've got to recruit Iowa guys. The 2015 class, three from Illinois, one from Ohio and one from Tennessee and not one poster bitched.

As to not caring where a player comes from, I don't either. But I am certainly not dumb enough to believe we can ignore the state of Iowa and somehow succeed. Not unless we want to go the Iowa State route and frankly with our lovely, patient, fan base the second some kid fails to show up because he can't pass a test, or gets drunk repeatedly and gets kicked out before he even shows up? We'll go nuts!

So it works for Iowa State. Good! Stay away from the Iowa guys, we'll take 'em when we feel they can contribute to our success.

And yeah, I think that getting good students and not taking chances on questionable kids is a good idea.

 

[kceasthawk]

I don't know how you jumped to that over reaction, but that is a straw man.

You said that you don't expect Fran to bring a bunch of players from Iowa, just because they grew up here. Well nobody said he should be doing that either. Which players from Iowa on the current or upcoming roster, do you think he shouldn't have recruited?
My point, which you didn't address is Fran has laid the groundwork to land the next top 50 recruits in the state, which many of his predessesors did not. Some posters say they don't care if we have Iowa players on the roster as long as we win. I say BULL! Had Fran not laid this groundwork, we'd be much less likely to land the next Paige. Barnes, Lafrents, Collison, Davis, or Weiskamp that comes along, and believe me those same people will be on here bitching because we can't keep top instate talent in Iowa.

 

[DanL53]

"You said that you don't expect Fran to bring a bunch of players from Iowa, just because they grew up here."

That's the key right there. It is a false argument to claim that anybody has ever said we've got to take Iowa kids for the sake of taking Iowa kids. Might as well claim that people only want kids from Johnson County.

But without that assumption, complainers can't complain about guys on the team. Because to get down to the nitty gritty, how have Fran's recruits turned out any better, whether they are from Iowa or not?

2014. Three scholarships to out of state players and a preferred walk-on. My gosh we blew that on Baer!?!?
2015, Already mentioned the five out of state guys, that nobody bitched about.

We went two years without an Iowa player brought in on scholarship and nobody complained.

But now, and not a coincidence if you ask me, there's this thing about taking Iowa guys. Because we nabbed Pemsl, Kriener and Bohannon.

We had room for a couple of those guys because Fleming and Hutton left!

 

[Rustys Dad]

Why does it matter if Iowa or ISU rosters have local Iowa players? If an Iowa kid is good enough to play at Iowa/ISU then great ... sign 'em up ... But just as Iowa kids are entitled to depart the great state of Iowa for other programs, Iowa and ISU are entitled to recruit other states ... Bottom line ... it's all about winning ... ISU did more of it than Iowa this year ... Who cares where its players call "home."

 

[KujawaFan]

I would root for ISU but their fans make it impossible. CyTwins has posted more about Iowa in the NIT than ISU in the tourney. Please God tell me this board would be talking more about Iowa in the tourney than ISU in the NIT if the tables were turned. The little brother syndrome is so sad.

 

[Rustys Dad]

I think it's totally reasonable to want to get the best Iowa kids on your team. I think it's also totally reasonable to not really care where they come from. I think ISU would be in a lot better shape next year if they had Pemsl or JBo, who I was initially not high on but really like how they have done this year. I'll be the first to admit I was totally wrong about them and wish them nothing but the best in an Iowa uniform. I fully expect Weiskamp to be a transcendent player for Iowa. A lot to look forward to in the coming years for this group of native Iowans on the team.

I truly believe Naz is one of the greatest Cyclones ever just in the sense of how much he loves the school. I think we all like having the local kids on our teams. However I'll admit there is something really cool about seeing guys come in from all over the country to your school and be totally transformed by the experience. It's fun to see guys come from other programs that don't quite have the support ISU does and see how they have been grateful for it. I've said it a thousand times but if what ISU has done the last few years is the wrong way, I don't wanna be right.

Well said ...

 

[navyrules]

I would root for ISU but their fans make it impossible. CyTwins has posted more about Iowa in the NIT than ISU in the tourney. Please God tell me this board would be talking more about Iowa in the tourney than ISU in the NIT if the tables were turned. The little brother syndrome is so sad.

Totally agree that the ISU fans make it nearly impossible to root for them.

 

[txowan]

You said that you don't expect Fran to bring a bunch of players from Iowa, just because they grew up here. Well nobody said he should be doing that either. Which players from Iowa on the current or upcoming roster, do you think he shouldn't have recruited?
My point, which you didn't address is Fran has laid the groundwork to land the next top 50 recruits in the state, which many of his predessesors did not. Some posters say they don't care if we have Iowa players on the roster as long as we win. I say BULL! Had Fran not laid this groundwork, we'd be much less likely to land the next Paige. Barnes, Lafrents, Collison, Davis, or Weiskamp that comes along, and believe me those same people will be on here bitching because we can't keep top instate talent in Iowa.

Or, they will go to the more successful in state program. ISU hasn't been drawn to many in state kids fairly recently but maybe the Oskaloosa kid turns out to be a top recruit that ends up in Ames.

 

[kceasthawk]

Why does it matter if Iowa or ISU rosters have local Iowa players? If an Iowa kid is good enough to play at Iowa/ISU then great ... sign 'em up ... But just as Iowa kids are entitled to depart the great state of Iowa for other programs, Iowa and ISU are entitled to recruit other states ... Bottom line ... it's all about winning ... ISU did more of it than Iowa this year ... Who cares where its players call "home."

You know its almost a waste of time to post on here. People just come on here and post the same stuff that three or four other people said, and totally ignore the other view. Did you even read the reasons I listed, why Its important that Iowa recruits, HIGHLY RANKED, instate players in order to maintain an open pipeline for future top players? No lets just say the same thing that several other posters said. You say if Iowa kids are good enough to play at Iowa, and our top players then sign them up, likes it that easy.
People talk about having recruiting pipelines in the Chicago public leagues, Indiana hot beds etc.,(which Fran has worked on), yet they act like its of no importance that we maintain a good foundation of quality instate players. Why do you think were' getting a lot of the top instate talent now? Because Fran has given players in Iowa a reason to want to be Hawks, by showing his support for Iowa high school basketball.