And no one said Iowa was going to get all the good instate players. It may also depend on how many top players there are each year. Just saying Fran has done what he can to build this foundation with instate players.
They offered Wieskamp.
They offered Brady Ernst, who transferred to Indian Hills after one year. We passed on him.
As to Foster I see no reason to believe Iowa doesn't lead Iowa State for his services. Of course I see no reason to believe Iowa State will be a better program than Iowa after this season.
That may be because you are not paying attention. ISU has a terrific Class coming in.
You might want to think of taking a break from posting ... you seem to exert a lot of mental energy in your posts ... Relax ... it's okay ...
Going back to even Don Nelson's era, the majority of the greatest players in U of I basketball history have been non-native Iowans.
I can appreciate there is value recruiting locally. If that's part of Fran's strategy, I acknowledge that he is taking an approach to establish strong contacts in state to help in getting the next Harrison Barnes, or similar caliber, player to come to Iowa instead of leaving for north carolina or kansas.
The only argument I am making is in opposition to the OP's post that it is of high importance that the Iowa roster has many native Iowans and the isu roster has none(well actually one player who doesn't see the floor).
I was born in Iowa and grew up here. And I would be just as thrilled if Fran took a roster full of international players from all over the world to the Final Four as I would if it were kids that went to CR Kennedy, Valley, etc.
I can appreciate there is value recruiting locally. If that's part of Fran's strategy, I acknowledge that he is taking an approach to establish strong contacts in state to help in getting the next Harrison Barnes, or similar caliber, player to come to Iowa instead of leaving for north carolina or kansas.
The only argument I am making is in opposition to the OP's post that it is of high importance that the Iowa roster has many native Iowans and the isu roster has none(well actually one player who doesn't see the floor).
I was born in Iowa and grew up here. And I would be just as thrilled if Fran took a roster full of international players from all over the world to the Final Four as I would if it were kids that went to CR Kennedy, Valley, etc.
Again, without the presumption/fallacy that somewhere, somebody is arguing that we take more Iowa players, there is no argument. Your points are solid but they are clearly falling on deaf ears. Of course Iowa needs to work hard with instate recruiting!
Consider when this argument started. We never heard it until about 1 1/2 years ago in a summer when we got two commits rapidly from Bohannon and Kriener. Then we went through the same, "Fallback! Fail!", stuff we read whenever we get a guy not on somebodies 4* list, somewhere. Heck, we went through it with Bohannon and he WAS on a 4* list!
Just off the top of my head. Real McCaffery recruits (scholarships) not counting holdovers:
Basabe
Cartwright
White
Olaseni
McCabe
Gesell
Woodbury
Meyer
Ingram
Clemmons
Transfer...Uthoff
Jok
Uhl
Ellingson
Dickerson
Fleming
Hutton
Wagner
Williams
Moss
Kriener
Pemsl
Cook
Bohannon
Daily
See a pattern? The "Iowa" thing started with the first class we took more than one Iowa guy out of high school. Wow...what a bunch of Homers we are.
But, your posts do matter to some. I appreciate them. I don't feel so alone with rationality.
I would counter that the majority of the players at Iowa in the modern era have been from out of state. We are a pretty small state.
And I would say that some of your statements on this thread directly contradict your claim that the only argument you are making is in opposition to the OP's post. If that were, or now is, your only complaint we'd be in agreement because I'm more than happy that Iowa State prefers to chase after guys like Nick Noskowiak and I'm thrilled we have Bohannon and they don't.
I'm not having any issues, except its amazing how some people never seem too consider anything but what their saying. For example your glib remark, is cute, but as usual you didn't bother to comment on why it just might be important that we have that Iowa pipeline, because it does fit your narrative.
Very Good, at least your good enough to at least consider the rationale of other posters. Something in short supply here.
Yeah right. I've seen enough Oak Hill guys not live up to their rankings that I'm not too worried. And the rest aren't that special. I like Iowa's chances at passing Iowa State by in 2017/18 and not even having to look over our shoulder. But at least on this point we can disagree because it's still just conjecture...and something for me to look forward to.
I really have no idea what you are referring to Dan.
The OPs post was entirely directed to the fact that Iowa has multiple native Iowan's on its roster and that isu has none( he missed the one that doesn't play). And that he has a problem with that.
My counter to this is that I would be just fine if Iowa had a great run in the NCAA tourney with no Iowans, some Iowans, or all Iowans on its roster.
The point, and the only one I'm making in this thread, is that it is irrelevant to me the composition of Iowa's roster. As long as they are eligible players, they can come from anywhere if they take the team to the Final Four. I don't prefer to have native Iowa players, or non-native Iowa players on the roster. I prefer they win games in the NCAA tourney.
What is it that you are claiming I stated that directly contradicts that?
I went back to find the comments I was thinking you said, and it wasn't you! Now I'm torn between apologizing, or making some excuse, or just hiding out and waiting until the thread dies before I post again.
I guess I'll apologize. I thought somewhere you said people were expecting that Iowa take kids from Iowa, and that Iowa State has enjoyed more success in recent years because they don't.
Rest assured. This mistake embarrasses me and I do not like eating crow but feel like I deserve it.
Now I have to go through the five stages of grief before I will feel right again. I'll be back when I reach the denial stage.
Wasn't Steve Waite a starter? Special K, Waite, Boyle, Arnold, Lester...with a bench of Brookins, Hanson, Gannon and uh oh...we're in trouble now....
No problem Dan.
I've gotten myself confused as to who wrote what in the back and forth on the threads more than a few times.
I can certainly understand that some people might have a preference and that they are particularly proud that the current Iowa roster has a large number of former Iowa high school players on the roster that are major contributors.
Yeah right. I've seen enough Oak Hill guys not live up to their rankings that I'm not too worried. And the rest aren't that special. I like Iowa's chances at passing Iowa State by in 2017/18 and not even having to look over our shoulder. But at least on this point we can disagree because it's still just conjecture...and something for me to look forward to.
Yeah Fleming wasn't highly rated. So that really doesn't work because Wigginton might be a 5 star in the final rankings or close to it. I have watched several of their games this year and the kid is a stud.
They also have another 4 star kid in Lewis that signed. I would guess you wouldn't be saying they aren't that special if Iowa had signed them.
I agree about next year because ISU has too many unknowns and will probably be a lot like Iowa was this year but beyond that I think both schools will do well going forward.
Oak hill stopped Chino Hills 60 something game winning streak a few weeks back. That is the same Chino Hills team that produced Lonzo Ball and has 2 of his brothers(who are being highly recruited). Wigginton scored 35 in that game and is getting ready to get his 5th star. Iowa doesn't get those level of guards to play in Iowa City. Wigginton plays against the best HS players in the country in both Prep & AAU.Yeah right. I've seen enough Oak Hill guys not live up to their rankings that I'm not too worried. And the rest aren't that special. I like Iowa's chances at passing Iowa State by in 2017/18 and not even having to look over our shoulder. But at least on this point we can disagree because it's still just conjecture...and something for me to look forward to.
4-5 star recruits from the state of Iowa aren't going to choose Iowa just because Iowa recruited low ranked in state recruits. That's just not true. They will go to Iowa now because Fran is winning at Iowa and/or because they are Hawk fans.
LOL! So, David 1979, will some of the same posters be bitching if the next Collison or Barnes comes along, and he doesn't sign with Iowa? Its just a question......
I'm just saying you seem to be awfully charged up about this topic ... Here, I can summarize my take:
Iowa kid that is good enough to play at the Big 10 level: Sign him up
Iowa kid is not good enough to play at the Big 10 level: Sign someone else
Fran has done a nice job keeping in-state talent at home ... And many times when an Iowa kid chooses Iowa or ISU it's because he grew up a Hawkeye fan or a Cyclone fan ... SO chances are good, if you grew up a Hawk fan and Fran came knocking on your door, you're going to say "yes!" ... And you're not going to spend much time counting how many Iowans are on the roster ...
Once again someone post something that has nothing to do with what I said. Please show me where I said Fran should recruit LOW ranked Iowa players instead of better qualified players from other states..........
I'm glad you feel good about Iowa State's recruits. I feel much better knowing the truth will hit like a bus you didn't see coming.
And no, really, I'm not being mean...sometimes it's better to get blindsided.Go Hawkeyes!!!!
I am pretty sure your "truth" is exclusive only to you.I'm glad you feel good about Iowa State's recruits. I feel much better knowing the truth will hit like a bus you didn't see coming.
Go Hawkeyes!!!!
That's right. Until it is not. I promise I won't need to hang out on "Cyclone Report" though, when the truth is the truth.
They actually started a different combination of players in their run to the 1980 final four.
I was going by who started vs L'ville
Special K
Vince Brookins Cleveland
Kevin Boyle
Kenny Arnold
Ronnie Lester
4 Chicago area players and 1 from Cleveland
All I care about is that Iowa gets good players no matter where they come from. I do hope that Isaiah Moss becomes a star and helps Iowa start reeling in more Chicago area talent. The Illini are down, DePaul is history, Notre Dame stinks, why can't Iowa focus there and poach Chicago ballers like we've done in the past?
Special K
Vince Brookins Cleveland
Kevin Boyle
Kenny Arnold
Ronnie Lester
4 Chicago area players and 1 from Cleveland
All I care about is that Iowa gets good players no matter where they come from. I do hope that Isaiah Moss becomes a star and helps Iowa start reeling in more Chicago area talent. The Illini are down, DePaul is history, Notre Dame stinks, why can't Iowa focus there and poach Chicago ballers like we've done in the past?
I think Fran agree's with you and hopes to mine players from the Chicagoland area. Hopefully the Illini don't replace Groce with the next Bill Self, and get them straightened out.
Is 'getting ready to get his 5th star?" Had to laugh when I read that. You do understand that the rankings, stars, etc etc about recruits really mean nothing? Adam Woodbury was a top 50 player overall, 98 composite ranking, 4/5 star recruit who was named the MVP at the 2011 NBA Players Association's Top 100 basketball camp, that camp included many players who have since been drafted highly in the NBA. I'll let you judge the accuracy of those recruiting numbers.
But anyway, I have watched Wigginton play in person, and he is a great player and the leading scorer on Oak Hill. Without a doubt a top recruit. That doesn't' guarantee he will have a great NCAA career, but it would be surprising if he didn't contribute for the Clones. While it's easy to talk crap and say 'those level of guards' don't play in Iowa City. They traditionally haven't came to Ames out of high school either. Monte Morris was a recruit who was offered by no blue chip schools and was comparatively ranked lower than Wigginton. I would bet most Clone fans are glad he turned out the way he did. So let's not pretend like ISU is some legendary guard recruiting powerhouse here. The Clones landed a top guard in Wigginton, but like every other recruit the jury will be out until he gets on campus and plays a few seasons. Don't even get me started on the Ball brothers who are in high school...
As far as playing against the best, all of the D1 players play vs. one another in AAU ball. Even the players you paint as 'scrubs' from Iowa play in those. Bottom line is that if you are good, you are good. The cream will rise to the top as you move up the ranks of competition.
Talking smack? Talking smack was Morris before our game with them! "Got a big surprise for Iowa". And look what happened.
Morris was right... an easy 14 point Iowa win was a big surprise.
There will always be people bitching about something but Iowa was never getting Barnes even if they were good at the time.
I believe that is the whole point. The highly rated guys that Iowa gets in state are vastly overrated and don't developed into much. Iowa got a good transfer in Uthoff, but their 4 year players haven't lived up to billing. You certainly reinforced my point.
Don't know about Woody. But I think people realized this year what he meant to the team.
Jok, I don't know, first team all Big Ten? He came in a three star. You think that's overrated?
Pemsl, Kriener, do you mind if the jury is still out?
Bohannon, All Big Ten freshman team?
We beat you guys.
I think, come this time next year, Viagra won't even reinforce your point.
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