Describe "most". Preferably with some stats to back it up.
Conservatives On Paris
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Describe "most". Preferably with some stats to back it up.
What? The possibility a person trained with a handgun firing at the terrorists is going to cause more deaths than multiple terrorists firing assault weapons into a crowd? Dude - you can't possibly be that naive.
Care to explain this? People having the ability to fight back is carnage?
Neither is the point that them having the ability to protect themselves would somehow have been a bad thing.
He is, if he had been there and saw someone pull out a gun and fire back, he likely would have bitched at them for doing it.
The point is that they could have fought back. Something you are your ilk have a problem with. I'd love to know the reason why.
I see you require a precise scenario to set up your outcome. You can't possibly be so naive as to think you will get to set the stage.
Precise scenario? That's complete nonsense. Almost always the general public will be better off with a person trained to handle a weapon present in an active shooter situation. At very least it will cause the shooter/s to divert attention off a helpless crowd to deal with a threat to them. And that delay can provide the opportunity for defenseless people to flee.
Seems like even faced with automatic weapons, hundreds of people rushing the gunmen should be able to overwhelm them.
I agree - seems to me if a terrorist takes a plane these days the passengers will all attack because they know they have to. At some point crowds of people will have to learn to do the same.
This wasn't the scenario under discussion. Armed security professionals I grant would help. The college student at a rock concert with a gun in her purse not so much. Now make that 5+ untrained people pulling out a gun at that concert trying to figure out who the bad guy is and it gets worse.
That action is mutually exclusive to the idea that random gunmen would be shooting at the rushing mob. Pick a scenario, you can't advocate for both.
But there's the rub. Your scenario requires the person to be trained. And since they would be going up against dozens of heavily armed terrorists, that training will need to be extensive. The problem with all of this? Conceal carry, at least in this state, doesn't require any combat training, so your whole theory of ordinary citizens being able to take out armed terrorists goes out the window.
You're missing the point, just as you always do. The point is they could have fought back, they could have perhaps saved their own lives.
Why you guys are so against personal responsibility is beyond me. Statists are truly the worse of the humanity. You'd let them talk you into overlooking another holocaust, as long as it was the DNC controlling it.
You really expect ordinary citizens with zero training to defeat experienced and ruthless terrorists with bombs, armor, and assault rifles? You've been watching too many late night action movies.
Who said they were suppose to defeat them? Try to think with more than one idea. You're acting like a far right wingnut. Then again you are a far left wing nut.
For my CCW class we had 8 hours in the classroom and 8 hours on the range. Everyone there in the class I attended of 20 or so people knew how to handle their firearm. Even woman and reverends in attendance. There was only one person I would consider a nut case in the class. Meaning the guy you would hope never goes postal.
To apply for CCW, you have to have a clean record, get finger printed and pay $200 for license and also $200 for training class that probably weeds a few of the ones you are afraid of from obtaining a permit.
You are naive if you don't think someone armed shooting back wouldn't make a difference. The people carrying guns shoot at ranges. They also know not to shoot unless it's a threat. If my family is going to die then I would go down firing.
I find it fascinating that some of you think that a few hours in the classroom and a few hours on the gun range will turn you into a single man wrecking crew able to take down dozens of well-trained and heavily armed terrorists. Here's to you, John Rambo. Thank you for your service...Oh, wait, Rambo actually had combat training. You guys are more like Paul Blart Mall Cop.
Said most, not all so you interpret that how you will. Why don't you ask some small retail business owners you know. The ones I work with have permits and always have one on them or in their truck. One of them thought they were going to need it. A big homeless guy surprised him in one of his buildings blocking the only exit while he was cleaning it. The guy wanted money. It ended alright by talking guy into sweeping building for $20. He isa big guy himself but thought he was going to need it that night.
Huey, nobody said we pretend to be Rambo. However I know how to handle my gun and practice shooting throughout the year. Don't ever plan on needing to use it but if in the event that .1% chance it happens I would rather have an option than be a sitting duck. It's not like police are everywhere. Not trying to be a hero. It's my right so I will exercise it and you have the same right not to.
I know how to handle my fists when I do the kickboxing DVD of P90X. It doesn't mean that I will be able to go into the UFC octagon and start kicking ass. You may think you're a match to these guys, but you're not. As soon as you fire a few rounds at them, they're going to fire back, and guess what? You're dead. Firing at them will probably just piss them off more. Not only will they make sure to kill you, but they will open fire to whomever is close to you, so your Paul Blart tactics have only led to you and everyone in your vicinity getting wiped out.
Have you checked out what these guys were packing? List isn't just limited to an assortment of fully automatic rifles and semi-automatic handguns. It also includes rocket launchers, hand grenades, smoke grenades, dynamite, and molotov cocktails...All while these dudes were wearing body armor.
If you think you're taking out a trained terrorist sporting a rocket launcher with you shitty handgun, then you're deluding yourself.
To hold just enough until someone who can defeat then gets there. You're such a scared and beaten down human being. You have absolutely no human spirit. You're more concerned about people having the ability to take a stand, then you are about the ones who want to commit terror.
You've literally become a shell. No sense, no spirit, no ability to comprehend reasoning. You're worthless to be honest.
You have absolutely no courage. Even if what you say happens, then why are you even arguing? You're so defeated as a human because of our very own delusions that the though of even trying to survive is ridiculous.
Just how long do you think an untrained, ordinary citizen with a handgun can hold off one terrorist with a Rocket Launcher, another with a grenade, and a third with a fully automatic assault rifle? You serious with this crap?
You do realize, that some people may in fact be veterans, former cops, current police officers, etc.? The fact that you are arguing against at least trying to fight back is ridiculous. What in the case that they are going for anyone and everyone? Would you still be bitching about people being able to fight back then?
What happened to you that makes you such a defeatist? You're barely human it seems like. Have always lost in life or something? Have you never risen up to a challenge? Is that how you've been taught? To be a good little citizen that shuts up and stays true to the system only. Any spark of humanity is to be stamped out immediately?
Who knows, but you won't know until you try. Who says it would only be one person? If the laws weren't so strict, why would it be just one person?
You're picking and choosing scenarios that work for your pitiful and pathetic argument. You do realize that you won't know until you see what happens?
Sorry, but anyone who argues against people defending themselves, is just not be taken seriously. You're the reason why people hate liberals so much.
Ah, the moronic Ben Carson defense. These people were sitting ducks with or without concealed carry. When your enemy rushes in with bombs, body armor, rockets, grenades, and ARs, you're dead if you try standing up to them with a single hand gun. I find it ridiculous that you even think this is a fair fight.
Are you serious with your crap is the question?
Would you have been mad had someone had a gun and was able to stop Adam Lanza? You know, that rugged, trained and lethal veteran? Or wait, he was just some crazy stupid kid. Of course, I'm sure you'd be angry if someone had shot him down before he did what he did.
Again, you equating me with a group you can't help but see red against. You're not even on my level of understanding, so I'll say this once, quit thinking out actually thinking the entire situation through. Who cares if it's a fair fight? That is not the point.
The point is to at least have a chance to fight back.
This is precisely my point. These people have combat training. Ordinary citizens do not. So why are you expecting ordinary citizens with no training to hold the line against highly trained and ridiculously armed terrorists?
Again, I know you're too ignorant to get this, but not all citizens are non-trained citizens. I'm an ordinary citizen these days, and I'm a vet who had training.
Why are you arguing against the ability to defend yourself? You still keep dodging that question.
