Cook leaving
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I would love to be wrong and see Cook in the NBA. Like you said not just great for him but great for program any time a guy can land and stick in the NBA. What have seen at all that makes you think Cook could be a Clint Capela type player. What does he do so well that would be better then mostvplayers in the league?
Your a bright one papabeef. Lol is your response to everything. That usually the sign if someone who can’t present a valid counter-point.
Was just insinuating that if he makes it I see it in that capacity. On ball screen and roll type player. Has the athleticism and coordination just needs some time to further develop offensive skills in Europe. Think if he gets the right opportunity in NBA he could make it.
Tyler Cook is our #1 scorer and our #1 rebounder. People saying we are going to be better without our best scorer AND rebounder are not playing with a full deck of cards.
Agree, Suterman.
Some fans simply cannot grasp the big picture and obsess on analytics.
TC took pressure off of everyone else on the floor and his absence will be glaring.
Some fans simply cannot grasp the big picture and obsess on analytics.
TC took pressure off of everyone else on the floor and his absence will be glaring.
Tyler is a great athlete who played very poorly the last half of the year. Anyone saying different is just coddling Tyler. Stats don’t lie. His scoring average and field goal percentage dropped significantly once we entered big ten play. Once he wasn’t able to bully people athletically and had to rely on basketball skill his game shrank. Tyler’s greatest asset to the team was drawing fouls on opposing players. That appeared to be less evident in the second half of conference play. Good scouting and comparable athletes by opposing teams easily negated Tyler as a player. Very limited skill set. I’ve said it for along time. Tyler is an ancillary player who needs to except a role. Be a dominant rebounder and defender. Let the offense role thru more skilled players who are efficient. If he can’t except that role it is time to move on.
Hawkeyenation has an interesting take on this. IMO Tyler would be better off coming back and working on the NBA recommendations that were made as of last year. He is great playing an isolation style of basketball, which will likely help him last in the NBA, but defensively, mid-range shooting, and passing are aspects of his game that need to be worked on for him to take that next step.
If he’s coming back to work on his NBA skill set, it’s better for Iowa that he go to the NBA.
That’s ridiculous. Other players dont get better? Personnel changes don’t dictate strategic/tactical shifts that may be more productive?
I respectfully disagree with you and Suterman. As I’ve stated, I’m of the belief that allowing Cook to dominate the ball stagnated the offense, made it less efficient, and often led to inconsistent team offense. I don’t believe he took pressure off everyone, I think he interrupted the flow of what the offense was supposed to do. We saw quite a few examples this year of Cook being out of the offense running much smoother.
That’s not to say Cook didn’t provide some value and that he doesn’t posses some qualities no one else on the team does. I just think those qualities don’t outweigh the detriment to the offense that him being the focal point brings.
I’m also of the belief that that Wieskamp will make a giant jump after being in big-time college basketball for a year and seeing what he needs to work on to get to an all big-Ten level. I think (hope) he will be emboldened by the coaching staff and team to step-up as the go-to guy and I think he is more equipped skill-wise - and is much more efficient - then Cook was to be in that role.
It’s all speculation at this point and we won’t know until next season but those are my thoughts.
I understand your point of view, it just seems odd to me to want your best scorer and best rebounder to not come back. It seems counter intuitive to me.
I have stated it's not that I don't want him to come back but in ideal world, he comes back and Fran/Tyler adjust his role and his approach to better help the team. If those two have a conversation and there is agreement that Cook is better suited not dominating the ball, not working on his weaknesses and NBA skills in-game, that he is going to give CONSISTENT EFFORT - then yes, would love to have him back.
I don't think he's the best scorer - I think he is the team's highest scorer last year because he played the most minutes and took by far the most shots and he - to the detriment of the team - dominated the ball. I think given the same opportunity there are better/more efficient offensive options on the team as I have stated.
As far as being our best rebounder, he is a decent rebounder (who could be great with his athleticism and if he understood positioning, boxing out, and gave max effort in rebounding) but that is also on both Tyler and Fran. Garza is not a good rebounder either (though I think that is mostly due to his athletic restrictions).
Realistically, I don't think Iowa is a very good rebounding team in general because it doesn't seem like the team understands (or at least doesn't practice) the concepts of a good rebounding team. Wieskamp is the only guy I see giving both the constant effort along with boxing out and reading angles, etc. Unfortunately, he is not always playing inside because of his position to always take advantage of that.
I don't consider myself an "analytics" guy but there is a middle ground between analytics and the eye test I believe. As other have posted on a couple of threads, Cooks analytics were not very good come Big Ten season and pointed to some of the issues that have been discussed. But outside of analytics, I find it odd that those defending Cook seem ok with his inconsistent effort, his carelessness and inefficiency, etc.
I understand that people can look at his averages and his athleticism and say what you are saying ... but from those who watched him all year and through the Big Ten and Tournaments, there was a lot of issues you can point to in his game that hurt the team as much as it helped. And we also have lots of examples where he was not in or he was not the focal point how good Iowa looked and that was in the Big Ten, not just against overmatched non-conference teams.
Sorry for the long response and frankly tired of talking about it. We all have our opinions. Won't know until next fall. I still believe it ultimately will be a plus if he leaves OR if Tyler/Fran are willing to adjust his role.
There was nothing wrong with the offense. They were top 15 in the country.
Well I guess Iowa doesn’t need a penetrating PG or and upgrade at SG either that people are always clamoring abou because the offense Is good enough.
Agreed Defense has been and is a bigger issue but save for maybe Wieskamp, there is not one person in the starting line-up that would be considered a plus either.
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