Could Iowa be better next year than this year?

[JonesHawk125]

2017 vs 2018
Gilman > Lee 125
Clark > Happel 133
Carton < Turk 141
Sorensen Jr. < Sorensen Sr. 149
Kemmerer Fr. < Kemmerer So. 157
Gunther < Marinelli 165
Meyer > Young 174
Brooks > Wilcke 184
Wilcke < Warner 197
Holloway < Stoll Hwt

Would be a very young team and I don't think Lee or Warner would wrestle without a redshirt, but dang, that's not a bad lineup at all.

 

[Stanley75]

We will redshirt the freshmen. So no we will not be as strong next ear.

 

[Omahahawk86]

Turk natty champ. Book it.

 

[CumberlandHawk]

2017 vs 2018
Gilman > Lee 125
Clark > Happel 133
Carton < Turk 141
Sorensen Jr. < Sorensen Sr. 149
Kemmerer Fr. < Kemmerer So. 157
Gunther < Marinelli 165
Meyer > Young 174
Brooks > Wilcke 184
Wilcke < Warner 197
Holloway < Stoll Hwt

Would be a very young team and I don't think Lee or Warner would wrestle without a redshirt, but dang, that's not a bad lineup at all.

I was thinking the same thing myself last night at work. I suppose its a long shot but if Lee and Warner had a successful Midlands who knows.

 

[crablegs1]

If we wrestle Lee and Warner I can see the team being close to as good as this year. Also, I'm not counting on ever having a healthy stoll again, which really hurts.

Without Lee/Warner, it will be a rough one.

 

[Jay on HR]

The real question is will Iowa be better in 2 years than they are this year. And I am still not sold on Happel to 133

 

[Gobblin]

Turk natty champ. Book it.

From your lips to Gables ears.

 

[DarkThunder#61]

We will redshirt the freshmen. So no we will not be as strong next ear.

Well who are they planning on building in for 2019 once those seniors are gone (in the context of building the best roster available to compete for a national title)?

If the freshmen give us the best lineup possible next year, especially with guys like Sorenson being a senior and only getting one more shot.....why not go with it?

 

[Omahahawk86]

From your lips to Gables ears.

Kidding

 

[NLhawk62]

I could easily see Young and Wilcke scoring more points next year than Meyer and Brooks this year. Unfortunately Iowa is going to be down probably 35 points at 125 and 133. Huge hole to overcome between the newcomers at those weights as well as 141, 165, 174, and 184.

I betting it will be close though and enough for a top 5 finish next year. I'm optimistic and I'm hoping Stoll makes a full recovery too.

 

[Gobblin]

Kidding

Crazier things have happened... If Turk can get back to 100% and stay there, he's going to be nails.

 

[ohio2375]

Hope not, tosu is 3-39 lifetime against Iowa in duals, I don't think we can stop win number 40 this Friday from coming but I desperately want win number 4 next year. It will mean on average I see one win for every ten years of my life.

 

[MVPFAN]

I could easily see Young and Wilcke scoring more points next year than Meyer and Brooks this year. Unfortunately Iowa is going to be down probably 35 points at 125 and 133. Huge hole to overcome between the newcomers at those weights as well as 141, 165, 174, and 184.

I betting it will be close though and enough for a top 5 finish next year. I'm optimistic and I'm hoping Stoll makes a full recovery too.

That is not happening. Wilke has proved nothing and Young has yet to even wrestle 174.

 

[oldhawk56]

Not being dickish but honestly how does a big guy like Sam ever recover from back to back ACLs and compete at a high level. I don't see it.
A healthy Sam and a more mature Gross and this could be a pretty good team.
c'est la vie

 

[pumpdog20]

Crazier things have happened... If Turk can get back to 100% and stay there, he's going to be nails.

yikes, I always thought you want to be the hammer.

 

[JohnBasedow]

Not being dickish but honestly how does a big guy like Sam ever recover from back to back ACLs and compete at a high level. I don't see it.
A healthy Sam and a more mature Gross and this could be a pretty good team.
c'est la vie

You don't sound dickish but you do sound stupid. Every year multiple guys that are bigger than Stoll recover from ACL injuries in the NFL.

 

[hogghawk]

You don't sound dickish but you do sound stupid. Every year multiple guys that are bigger than Stoll recover from ACL injuries in the NFL.

Really? There are not many in the nfl that have recovered from two nfl acl injuries and continued to play. Most would be unemployed by that point.

 

[Azchief32]

Really? There are not many in the nfl that have recovered from two nfl acl injuries and continued to play. Most would be unemployed by that point.

Guys reinjure all the time. Even if Stoll cannot come back, I think we have a solid placeholder coming in...an actual true heavyweight for the 2018-2019 season. Our problem is this at HWY if you are right...can't take money away from Stoll because of an injury so we'll have to wait for a Cohlton Shultz or another top tieresh kind of guy.

 

[hogghawk]

Guys reinjure all the time. Even if Stoll cannot come back, I think we have a solid placeholder coming in...an actual true heavyweight for the 2018-2019 season. Our problem is this at HWY if you are right...can't take money away from Stoll because of an injury so we'll have to wait for a Cohlton Shultz or another top tieresh kind of guy.

I am not saying that I want to see Stoll gone or lose his scholly because he is hurt. The point was most guys are behind the eight ball big time with two acl injuries. It is not just the physical part, but the mental part of it is larger. Feel bad for big Sam, I hope he comes back as good as ever. Has alot of potential when healthy.

 

[Hawk3+1]

Gobblin- Topher beat Turk in the wrestle off this year before he got injured. What would you expect out of him next year if he can stay healthy? I'm hoping for the best, but can he get past round of 12? In MHO I don't see it.

Also think they will redshirt all freshman next year- which I know Lee and Warner could/would contribute. Does Stoll take the entire year off and rehab - to get healthy and ready for 2018?

 

[Gobblin]

Gobblin- Topher beat Turk in the wrestle off this year before he got injured. What would you expect out of him next year if he can stay healthy? I'm hoping for the best, but can he get past round of 12? In MHO I don't see it.

Also think they will redshirt all freshman next year- which I know Lee and Warner could/would contribute. Does Stoll take the entire year off and rehab - to get healthy and ready for 2018?

I'm aware and put about two pennies worth of stock into it... I assume you know how much teammates wrestling off means to Tom Brands?

Turks biggest problem, by far, has been getting and staying healthy. I don't want to put any expectations on the young man, I just know he's very talented and is one of the toughest kids in the room. Put it this way... IF Turk can get to 100% and stay there, i'm not worried one bit about '41 next year.

Stolls injury is so unfortunate it makes me sick... I'm just gonna take the hope for the best approach with his most recent staggering set back. He may come back and be an NCAA champion or may never wrestle again. Words can't describe how awful folks close to the program feel for Sam and his family.

 

[Sandor45]

Been hearing good things about Turk on this board for a while. Took it all with a grain of salt. Didn't want to get overhyped on him. This weekend changed that as I've heard from a solid source first hand that Turk was soundly beating Carton and would have seriously contended with the top tier guys at this weight.
Was excited to hear about Turks progression, and at the same time, it really bummed me out that he wasn't in the lineup this year. Healthy Turk and Stoll and Clark would have meant the Bull goes this year, and with that, I think Iowa nabs a team title.
Just hope Turk gets fully recovered for the full season next year. Can't wait to see him!

 

[dhm47]

I was thinking the same thing myself last night at work. I suppose its a long shot but if Lee and Warner had a successful Midlands who knows.

hope you don't work in a nuke plant

 

[butchinmi]

Thomas Davis, NFL Linebacker for the Panthers, played in the Super Bowl last year and has had 3 ACL repairs on the same knee. Other big guys that have recovered from ACL in the past you might know of, Brian Bulaga and Marshall Yanda. Not the same sport and not the two tears, just examples.

 

[The Vak]

No.

 

[MSU158]

Almost useless to compare NFL injury recoveries to NCAA wrestling. NFL athletes are multi million dollar commodities with access to the best of the best doctors, therapists, trainers and facilities. Even if that were equal the type of movement, moves and positions as well as amount of time with actual imposed pressure on the knee doesn't compare. Plus, the type of equipment they can wear is considerably different.

It's just a totally different animal!

 

[el dub]

yikes, I always thought you want to be the hammer.

Nope. These are special, Tuffass Nails.

 

[1stplacehawk]

I am not saying that I want to see Stoll gone or lose his scholly because he is hurt

If you are forced to quit your sport because of injuries, you can stay on scholarship without counting against the 9.9.

 

[WildTurk]

Almost useless to compare NFL injury recoveries to NCAA wrestling. NFL athletes are multi million dollar commodities with access to the best of the best doctors, therapists, trainers and facilities. Even if that were equal the type of movement, moves and positions as well as amount of time with actual imposed pressure on the knee doesn't compare. Plus, the type of equipment they can wear is considerably different.

It's just a totally different animal!

I do believe the University of Iowa Hospital takes exceptional care of Hawkeye athletes. Hard to see that from Michigan

 

[Birky]

Almost useless to compare NFL injury recoveries to NCAA wrestling. NFL athletes are multi million dollar commodities with access to the best of the best doctors, therapists, trainers and facilities. Even if that were equal the type of movement, moves and positions as well as amount of time with actual imposed pressure on the knee doesn't compare. Plus, the type of equipment they can wear is considerably different.

It's just a totally different animal!

I think some of you are imagining ACL tears in the context of 1987. It is now a pretty predictable repair and recovery. Unless there is a lot more going on it that knee(and there may be) I would expect Sam to be just fine a year from now. That's assuming he wants to?

 

[MSU158]

I do believe the University of Iowa Hospital takes exceptional care of Hawkeye athletes. Hard to see that from Michigan

Thanks. Your input is always so helpful. Exactly how much time do you spend in the University of Iowa Hospital overseeing their treatment of athletes?

 

[Neo_Hawk]

Thanks. Your input is always so helpful. Exactly how much time do you spend in the University of Iowa Hospital overseeing their treatment of athletes?

Oh snap.

 

[Neo_Hawk]

I am not saying that I want to see Stoll gone or lose his scholly because he is hurt. The point was most guys are behind the eight ball big time with two acl injuries. It is not just the physical part, but the mental part of it is larger. Feel bad for big Sam, I hope he comes back as good as ever. Has alot of potential when healthy.

I think what you are saying is something many of us wonder about as well. Might not be a pleasant thing to say, but it's for sure on the minds of many.

 

[MSU158]

I think some of you are imagining ACL tears in the context of 1987. It is now a pretty predictable repair and recovery. Unless there is a lot more going on it that knee(and there may be) I would expect Sam to be just fine a year from now. That's assuming he wants to?

The surgery isn't solely what I am referring to. Although some pro athletes have access to specialists above any normal person's pay grade. I am more talking about what goes into the athletic recovery. I have watched documentaries on several football players on their recoveries specific to ACL tears(some with MCL as well). The exhausting physical therapy, time spent with trainers and constant check-ups is time consuming. Remember that is their full time job. Stoll still has to juggle school/study in as well. On top of it he is a Heavyweight with a Heavyweight's build, while a majority of the NFL Athletes that deal with, and recover from, this injury are RB's with little to no body fat.

Throw in the fact that the average NFL player(having had this surgery) takes 54 weeks to recover and, on average, their play diminishes by 33%, it isn't the recovery that many claim it to be. That doesn't even factor the fundamental differences between Wrestling and Football.

I hope Stoll recovers. I really do. I just don't see it as being as easy to recover as it was for NFL players and it really isn't all that easy for them.

 

[butchinmi]

MSU - Thanks for your input as well. Would you like to give us your credentials and what ortho office you work at? Considering you said my comment was "almost useless" I'm sure you have much more experience in this area than I. I've had two ACL repairs, LCL, MCL and Meniscus. And, I've wrestled with them. Is it different the prior to the injury, yes. Is it impossible to come back from. No. To Birky's comment above, the surgeries have changed dramatically in even 20 years. I'm not a Dr., just an experienced patient who also has wrestled with those injuries. But, I'm sure this is "almost useless" also.

 

[jvclark]

Thanks. Your input is always so helpful. Exactly how much time do you spend in the University of Iowa Hospital overseeing their treatment of athletes?

Well quite frankly it doesn't take an orthopedic surgeon to recognize U of I is a world class facility. Unless you honestly think our injured athletes are driving 30 miles north to get surgery in Cedar Rapids when instead they could take a wheel chair across the street to our own hospital?

 

[wasdt21]

neo said " oh snap"

 

[MSU158]

MSU - Thanks for your input as well. Would you like to give us your credentials and what ortho office you work at? Considering you said my comment was "almost useless" I'm sure you have much more experience in this area than I. I've had two ACL repairs, LCL, MCL and Meniscus. And, I've wrestled with them. Is it different the prior to the injury, yes. Is it impossible to come back from. No. To Birky's comment above, the surgeries have changed dramatically in even 20 years. I'm not a Dr., just an experienced patient who also has wrestled with those injuries. But, I'm sure this is "almost useless" also.

I didn't mean to say your total input was useless. I was saying comparing Stoll's recovery to an NFL Athlete was. I am sorry if it felt like I was insulting you. That was not my intent.

Like I said, I read a major study done by a Dr. James Carey out of Philadelphia where he examined 31 NFL players with 33 injuries in the early 2000's. Of those players, 21% did not return. In addition to this, of the 795 total players(at that time) that have returned form ACL injuries, their power ratings went from 9.9 to 6.5 post injury, or roughly 33% in declined production.

I also remember a specific documentary on Wes Welker. His recovery was a testament to dedication and hard work. Something very few people would have the time and resources to do. Even then, his career was shortened after. He did have 2 incredible seasons, but was then traded by NE and made it 2 more injury shortened seasons with roughly half the production. Please note, how different his body type is.

 

[MSU158]

Well quite frankly it doesn't take an orthopedic surgeon to recognize U of I is a world class facility. Unless you honestly think our injured athletes are driving 30 miles north to get surgery in Cedar Rapids when instead they could take a wheel chair across the street to our own hospital?

Are you trying to tell me that College Athletes have on par access to every aspect of recovery that a highly paid Athlete does?

My intent is not to knock UofI's hospital. It is great. However, it was given a 63 out of 100 composite score in Orthopedics in a US News Rankings. That is a very good score for how difficult their ratings system is. However, these professional athletes actually seek out specific doctors that are the elite of the elite.

I do like being made out to be the bad guy because I simply pointed out that it is an unfair comparison to equate NFL ACL recoveries with DI Wrestlers.

 

[jvclark]

Are you trying to tell me that College Athletes have on par access to every aspect of recovery that a highly paid Athlete does?

My intent is not to knock UofI's hospital. It is great. However, it was given a 63 out of 100 composite score in Orthopedics in a US News Rankings. That is a very good score for how difficult their ratings system is. However, these professional athletes actually seek out specific doctors that are the elite of the elite.

I do like being made out to be the bad guy because I simply pointed out that it is an unfair comparison to equate NFL ACL recoveries with DI Wrestlers.

I wasn't really trying to tell you anything, but I will say this now(and no disrespect meant):

the difference in sports medicine between the pros and D1 college athletes is negligible in my opinion, where as the difference in sports medicine between now and the 1980s is light years apart.

If you have a world class hospital(albeit a teaching hospital), right across the street from your sports facility, I think it's safe to say athletes would be getting top shelf care. Is it better or worse than what an NFL team is offering? Who the hell knows, its really kind of subjective anyway.

There have been plenty of NFL coaches that have stepped down to the college level and had mediocre college seasons/careers, so I don't think it's an absolute that EVERYTHING at the pro level is better, by any means.

Go Hawks