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Could Iowa be better next year than this year?

I respect your opinion and thanks for being civil. I just believe money talks. Especially in the Health Care System. Will Stoll get great care relative to his Health Insurance and the added boost of however the University contributes. Absolutely. Do I believe he has the same access that someone willing to spend 100's of thousands more to save/prolong their career(plus whatever the team may do depending on the perceived value of the player) has? NO way. Plus, does he have the same incentive to rehab as extensively. NO way.

I don't mean to say he can't recover and truly hope he does. I just don't feel his path to recovery is all that similar to a highly paid NFL athlete.
 
Why was Stoll not in the biggest most supportive brace that is available? I assume that a brace was used at some point, and he opted to not wear it. He's not a big shooter, so it wouldn't hinder him there. Maybe he thought it hurt him underneath, or when people shot on him... He's at the most risk when someone shoots on him (Gwiz and now Schafer). I'd put two big ass offensive linemen type braces on him next year and let him do his thing.
 
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jvclark said:
Well quite frankly it doesn't take an orthopedic surgeon to recognize U of I is a world class facility. Unless you honestly think our injured athletes are driving 30 miles north to get surgery in Cedar Rapids when instead they could take a wheel chair across the street to our own hospital?
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Aren't they top 20 in the U.S.?
 
el dub said:
Stoll has?
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Yes doing cardio and strength work. I don't know when surgery is scheduled. You won't find a more determined guy than Sam Stoll. His mindset is very similar to Spencer Lee. I don't know any details of what his plans are. However, he would be at the top of the list with Gman on mentally being able to do it, and do it well.
 
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championhawk said:
Yes doing cardio and strength work. I don't know when surgery is scheduled. You won't find a more determined guy than Sam Stoll. His mindset is very similar to Spencer Lee. I don't know any details of what his plans are. However, he would be at the top of the list with Gman on mentally being able to do it, and do it well.
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At least he has an extra 2 months of rehab in his time frame compared to this past comeback. If he were to come back at Midlands next season, he would have an extra two months of strength, rehab and all that, compared to last year having surgery after NCAAs.
 
championhawk said:
Yes doing cardio and strength work. I don't know when surgery is scheduled. You won't find a more determined guy than Sam Stoll. His mindset is very similar to Spencer Lee. I don't know any details of what his plans are. However, he would be at the top of the list with Gman on mentally being able to do it, and do it well.
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Research has shown that strengthening the muscles connected to the the knee before ACL surgery helps accelerate/shorten the rehab process. Probably what he's doing.
 
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Azchief32 said:
Aren't they top 20 in the U.S.?
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Chief: the U of I hospital is highly regarded around the country and the world in many areas of both medicine and research. I called on them for a long time in my sales job, but that has been a few years. Where are they ranked? Highly, but number wise, not sure.

Regardless of ranking, our athletes are getting top care, which I am sure you know
 
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MSU158 said:
I respect your opinion and thanks for being civil. I just believe money talks. Especially in the Health Care System. Will Stoll get great care relative to his Health Insurance and the added boost of however the University contributes. Absolutely. Do I believe he has the same access that someone willing to spend 100's of thousands more to save/prolong their career(plus whatever the team may do depending on the perceived value of the player) has? NO way. Plus, does he have the same incentive to rehab as extensively. NO way.

I don't mean to say he can't recover and truly hope he does. I just don't feel his path to recovery is all that similar to a highly paid NFL athlete.
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MSU: I am pretty sure(but not positive so maybe someone on here can add in), but to the best of my knowledge if a scholarship athlete is hurt while in the "services" of the university for which he/she plays, the university picks up the tab. Think about all of the athletes on scholarships across the country that come from lower income families that couldn't afford to have the kind of insurance it would take to perform the surgeries much less the required rehab to get back into playing shape. I'm sure it's a scarily large number.

With that said, I don't think it's fair for anyone on this board to assume they know what kind of man Sam Stoll is(now before u jump on me, I'm not saying your were), how hard he will work, nor what incentive will drive him to recovery. Do I want to compare him to an nfl player that has millions on the line? I can't, because money like that has never/nor will never be an option for college wrestlers. But for a kid like Stoll, who has wrestled at the highest level internationally, I for one don't doubt that the same drive that got him to that level, will be the same drive and incentive he uses to get his knee healthy and in wrestling condition as soon he possibly can.

I wish him the best and can't wait to see him on the mat again. It sounds like you are wishing the same.

Go Hawks
 
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championhawk said:
Yes doing cardio and strength work. I don't know when surgery is scheduled. You won't find a more determined guy than Sam Stoll. His mindset is very similar to Spencer Lee. I don't know any details of what his plans are. However, he would be at the top of the list with Gman on mentally being able to do it, and do it well.
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Cool...........
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Thanks for the info........
 
Can someone post me all of the guys who are committed currently to be a part of the Freshmen class next year? I obviously know Lee and Warner, but who else is coming in?

I also know Aaron Costello is coming in at Heavyweight. He is the 5th overall all ranked senior Heavyweight. I don't think he redshirts if he wins a wrestle off and of course Stoll is not yet ready.

Max Murin, who is the 4th ranked 138. Could he compete right away at 141? Doubtful with the available guys on the roster, but he is under appreciated right now by most Hawk fans. He is very impressive.

Myles Wilson, who is the #16 ranked 182. He is all but guaranteed to redshirt.

Is any 125 or 133 prospects coming in?
 
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oldhawk56 said:
Not being dickish but honestly how does a big guy like Sam ever recover from back to back ACLs and compete at a high level. I don't see it.
A healthy Sam and a more mature Gross and this could be a pretty good team.
c'est la vie
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Stoll is not going to wrestle like Gwiz or Snyder. He is going to dig those underhooks and push. He is going to sag his hips and work a brutal short offense on guys who shoot less than perfect shots. In mat wrestling he will make the bottom guy carry his weight and his stand up will get him out from bottom.
Stoll doesn't beat people with athletic movement, he beats people using his size, strength, conditioning and a certain amount of brutality.

Assuming he rehabs the knee well, and suffers no additional setbacks Stoll will be pretty good over the next 3 years.
 
Sandor45 said:
Been hearing good things about Turk on this board for a while. Took it all with a grain of salt. Didn't want to get overhyped on him. This weekend changed that as I've heard from a solid source first hand that Turk was soundly beating Carton and would have seriously contended with the top tier guys at this weight.
Was excited to hear about Turks progression, and at the same time, it really bummed me out that he wasn't in the lineup this year. Healthy Turk and Stoll and Clark would have meant the Bull goes this year, and with that, I think Iowa nabs a team title.
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Sorry to crash your hopes- but Turk in NO WAY was/has come close to touching Carton! Before injury or after. We all wanted a healthy Clark, Stoll- but, in NO way would have that tipped the pendulum to pull the shirt on Bull.
 
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Why do so many people think Happel can make 133? What gives you the impression that 133 is a viable option for him? I would love to see it and hold it for a couple seasons. but from everything I have heard 141 isn't exactly a super easy make for him and 133 isn't going to happen.

I don't have personal Happel information though, so I could be wrong.
 
JustWrestle133 said:
Why do so many people think Happel can make 133? What gives you the impression that 133 is a viable option for him? I would love to see it and hold it for a couple seasons. but from everything I have heard 141 isn't exactly a super easy make for him and 133 isn't going to happen.

I don't have personal Happel information though, so I could be wrong.
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No personal info either..........but after watching him up close down at the Parisi Open, especially in his losses, he appeared decidedly smaller than his oponents. Decidedly!

Next thought was........wow........ maybe he can go 133 and do much better. Maybe he was just wrestling up a weight his True Frosh year like most Hawks do.
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He was manhandled in his losses and was completely overpowered. Looked to be a strength issue rather than technique. Visualize him wrestling Metcalf and you get the idea. Hence the hope he can make 133 and be more effective.
 
JustWrestle133 said:
Why do so many people think Happel can make 133? What gives you the impression that 133 is a viable option for him? I would love to see it and hold it for a couple seasons. but from everything I have heard 141 isn't exactly a super easy make for him and 133 isn't going to happen.

I don't have personal Happel information though, so I could be wrong.
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It was a very hard pull for him to make 138 this past summer.
 
Hawk3+1 said:
Sorry to crash your hopes- but Turk in NO WAY was/has come close to touching Carton! Before injury or after. We all wanted a healthy Clark, Stoll- but, in NO way would have that tipped the pendulum to pull the shirt on Bull.
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This is the first I've heard of it.
My source told me Turk took down carton convincingly in their wrestle off this season prior to his injury.
I believe him.
And there's no way you can say that there was no way that a healthy stoll and Clark wouldn't have tipped to scale in pulling the bulls shirt, especially if Alex wasn't out for two months with his own injury.
A 100% Clark and 100% Bull for the whole star of the season would have meant Alex going this year.
A healthy Turk would have made up the points lost by losing Stoll for the year.
 
Sandor45 said:
This is the first I've heard of it.
My source told me Turk took down carton convincingly in their wrestle off this season prior to his injury.
I believe him.
And there's no way you can say that there was no way that a healthy stoll and Clark wouldn't have tipped to scale in pulling the bulls shirt, especially if Alex wasn't out for two months with his own injury.
A 100% Clark and 100% Bull for the whole star of the season would have meant Alex going this year.
A healthy Turk would have made up the points lost by losing Stoll for the year.
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Sandor45 said:
This is the first I've heard of it.
My source told me Turk took down carton convincingly in their wrestle off this season prior to his injury.
I believe him.
And there's no way you can say that there was no way that a healthy stoll and Clark wouldn't have tipped to scale in pulling the bulls shirt, especially if Alex wasn't out for two months with his own injury.
A 100% Clark and 100% Bull for the whole star of the season would have meant Alex going this year.
A healthy Turk would have made up the points lost by losing Stoll for the year.
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Your source told you Turk beat Carton easily in the wrestle off?
 
Omahahawk86 said:
That's simply not true. There are numerous posters on here that can verify this. It was 6-4 Carton. I'm not saying a wrestle off is the end all be all but that is what happened.
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This is true. And the only true simulated match I'm aware of.
 
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Turk had faired plenty well on other occasions though and I can promise that W held little weight in the staffs eyes... 141 was far from settled and Turk would've had plenty more to say about who the starter was had he the opportunity.
 
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Turk had faired plenty well on other occasions though and I can promise that W held little weight in the staffs eyes... 141 was far from settled and Turk would've had plenty more to say about who the starter was had he the opportunity.
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Now the real question is will Turk ever see 141 again? I know it was a huge pull.
 
"Is any 125 or 133 prospects coming in?"

Depends if you count Justin Stickley who will be classified as a true freshman next season.
 
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Omahahawk86 said:
Now the real question is will Turk ever see 141 again? I know it was a huge pull.
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Unless he wants to sit next year 41 is really his only option. Even then Happel may beat him out, that is if he doesn't go 33(which probably won't happen). Figure he would go up to 49 after BS graduates. Still would have to beat out Glosser. Lots of talk about Sasso and Brands but neither have committed and both would be TF. As you know Iowa doesn't see a lot of TF starters. I figure Sasso is 49 for a few years and Brands would be 57, he might even be able to make 49 but who knows in a few years. Hope we get both those guys.
 
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JustWrestle133 said:
Can someone post me all of the guys who are committed currently to be a part of the Freshmen class next year? I obviously know Lee and Warner, but who else is coming in?

I also know Aaron Costello is coming in at Heavyweight. He is the 5th overall all ranked senior Heavyweight. I don't think he redshirts if he wins a wrestle off and of course Stoll is not yet ready.

Max Murin, who is the 4th ranked 138. Could he compete right away at 141? Doubtful with the available guys on the roster, but he is under appreciated right now by most Hawk fans. He is very impressive.

Myles Wilson, who is the #16 ranked 182. He is all but guaranteed to redshirt.

Is any 125 or 133 prospects coming in?
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125 Spencer Lee
125 Justin Stickley
141 Max Murin
157 Luke Troy
174 Myles Wilson
197 Jacob Warner
285 Aaron Costello

http://www.wrestlestat.com/team/34/iowa/profile
 
Gobblin said:
I reckon so... He'll need little extra motivation. He's one determined son of a gun.
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The main motivation he has is he isn't wrestling unless he's at 141. That sounds like a ton of motivation to me, assuming he likes wrestling of course............. ;)
 
JonesHawk125 said:
2017 vs 2018
Gilman > Lee 125
Clark > Happel 133
Carton < Turk 141
Sorensen Jr. < Sorensen Sr. 149
Kemmerer Fr. < Kemmerer So. 157
Gunther < Marinelli 165
Meyer > Young 174
Brooks > Wilcke 184
Wilcke < Warner 197
Holloway < Stoll Hwt

Would be a very young team and I don't think Lee or Warner would wrestle without a redshirt, but dang, that's not a bad lineup at all.
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Tough for Happel to make 133?
 
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