CP Defending SLee

[choosenuetral]

I’m not posting the link only because some on the board still break out in hives when Flo is brought up. In any case, there is an interesting narrative video by CP on Flo providing some perspective to Spencer’s recent forfeit and withdrawals. It’s unfortunate that someone has to remind the masses of the character he has shown his entire career but a nice monologue nonetheless.

 

[IAChief32]

I’m not posting the link only because some on the board still break out in hives when Flo is brought up. In any case, there is an interesting narrative video by CP on Flo providing some perspective to Spencer’s recent forfeit and withdrawals. It’s unfortunate that someone has to remind the masses of the character he has shown his entire career but a nice monologue nonetheless.

If Spencer wrestled for any other school, the narrative would be much different.

 

[lookleft goright]

If Spencer wrestled for any other school, the narrative would be much different.

I am not sure the narrative would have been different, but the amount of press and attention his shortcomings are getting probably would have be different. Maybe if he would have been wrestling for a different school, he would not have gotten the press he got.

Spencer has been built-up to be bigger than life (rightly so- in my mind) and the greatest thing since sliced bread. That sets him up for massive failure if he even shows any sign of being mortal. I mean, he was about a millimeter shy of being considered an Avenger.

 

[slushhead]

If Spencer wrestled for any other school, the narrative would be much different.

I think no matter the team, the narrative would have been the same if the circumstances were the same — e.g., his head coach publicly naming him the GOAT before Nationals even arrived, Spencer profiting financially from his Excuses catch-phrase for a couple of years before forfeiting out of Nationals when he was physically able to compete, and the amount and type of publicity this forum and other media had going for him.

It is human nature to smirk at a situation when chickens are counted in that manner before they hatch, and then do not hatch.

 

[HawkFan1986]

I think no matter the team, the narrative would have been the same if the circumstances were the same — e.g., his head coach publicly naming him the GOAT before Nationals even arrived, Spencer profiting financially from his Excuses catch-phrase for a couple of years before forfeiting out of Nationals when he was physically able to compete, and the amount and type of publicity this forum and other media had going for him.

It is human nature to smirk at a situation when chickens are counted in that manner before they hatch, and then do not hatch.

Stfu and take your 3 paragraph smear job about Spencer and Tom away from here.
Who the f cares about anything you psu fans have to say about Spencer. At this point it’s almost a sexual perversion many have at mocking him and his family.

Don’t you have enough threads on your own board about Spencer Lee where you can run your mouth and give your dumb ass opinion. A new one gets put up every week and turns into mocking him or his family within 5 post. Hell that’s the whole point of the thread it seems.

Long story short. No one here gives a shit about any of the negative opinions you and your psu douche bag fan club has about spencer Lee. Haven’t you figured that out by now? Iowa fans are proud of Spencer Lee and the shit he had to go through to do what he did. Sure he couldn’t quite pull off the 4 peat but that doesn’t matter to us.

 

[Hawkfan019]

I think no matter the team, the narrative would have been the same if the circumstances were the same — e.g., his head coach publicly naming him the GOAT before Nationals even arrived, Spencer profiting financially from his Excuses catch-phrase for a couple of years before forfeiting out of Nationals when he was physically able to compete, and the amount and type of publicity this forum and other media had going for him.

It is human nature to smirk at a situation when chickens are counted in that manner before they hatch, and then do not hatch.

Well of course you think that. And there’s a difference between smirking at the irony and calling a dude a quitter, soft, and scared when he’s consistently wrestled through severe injuries throughout his career. To the point where you have RBY and Reece Humphrey criticizing the backlash.

Anyway, don’t you have Caels bald head to suck off tonight? Better get to puckering up pork chop. And I’m not talking about the head above his shoulders.

 

[slushhead]

Stfu and take your 3 paragraph smear job about Spencer and Tom away from here.
Who the f cares about anything you psu fans have to say about Spencer. At this point it’s almost a sexual perversion many have at mocking him and his family.

Don’t you have enough threads on your own board about Spencer Lee where you can run your mouth and give your dumb ass opinion. A new one gets put up every week and turns into mocking him or his family within 5 post. Hell that’s the whole point of the thread it seems.

Long story short. No one here gives a shit about any of the negative opinions you and your psu douche bag fan club has about spencer Lee. Haven’t you figured that out by now? Iowa fans are proud of Spencer Lee and the shit he had to go through to do what he did. Sure he couldn’t quite pull off the 4 peat but that doesn’t matter to us.

Well of course you think that. And there’s a difference between smirking at the irony and calling a dude a quitter, soft, and scared when he’s consistently wrestled through severe injuries throughout his career. To the point where you have RBY and Reece Humphrey criticizing the backlash.

Anyway, don’t you have Caels bald head to suck off tonight? Better get to puckering up pork chop. And I’m not talking about the head above his shoulders.

Lol. Now there is some level-headed analysis. Enjoy your anger fellas, but what I posted is real. I’m not the only one who saw this coming. And it’s not just PSU fans.

I just disagree that the team is the sole reason people are smirking. It was the circumstances and human nature, not the singlet. Familiar with the story of Icarus?

Now, @HawkFan1986 , I stated one opinion based on 3 facts. Perhaps you can dispute the 3 facts I cited as a basis for my opinion? Or you can just be emotionally reactive? Your choice.

 

[Chuck C]

No wonder why I have that douchebag on ignore.

 

[Hawkfan019]

Lol. Now there is some level-headed analysis. Enjoy your anger fellas, but what I posted is real. I’m not the only one who saw this coming. And it’s not just PSU fans.

I just disagree that the team is the sole reason people are smirking. It was the circumstances and human nature, not the singlet. Familiar with the story of Icarus?

Now, @HawkFan1986 , I stated one opinion based on 3 facts. Perhaps you can dispute the 3 facts I cited as a basis for my opinion? Or you can just be emotionally reactive? Your choice.

Is your head game that good or does Cael just finish quick on Friday nights in all facets of life?

 

[WEH8ST8HAWK]

I think no matter the team, the narrative would have been the same if the circumstances were the same — e.g., his head coach publicly naming him the GOAT before Nationals even arrived, Spencer profiting financially from his Excuses catch-phrase for a couple of years before forfeiting out of Nationals when he was physically able to compete, and the amount and type of publicity this forum and other media had going for him.

It is human nature to smirk at a situation when chickens are counted in that manner before they hatch, and then do not hatch.

If I were ever fortunate enough to meet you I would punch you in the face and piss on you after you were on the floor.

 

[jayridescarbon]

If I were ever fortunate enough to meet you I would punch you in the face and piss on you after you were on the floor.

Everyone’s got a plan until they get punched in the face.

 

[IAChief32]

I think no matter the team, the narrative would have been the same if the circumstances were the same — e.g., his head coach publicly naming him the GOAT before Nationals even arrived, Spencer profiting financially from his Excuses catch-phrase for a couple of years before forfeiting out of Nationals when he was physically able to compete, and the amount and type of publicity this forum and other media had going for him.

It is human nature to smirk at a situation when chickens are counted in that manner before they hatch, and then do not hatch.

Imma let Clyde do my talking.

 

[grapplefann]

I think no matter the team, the narrative would have been the same if the circumstances were the same — e.g., his head coach publicly naming him the GOAT before Nationals even arrived, Spencer profiting financially from his Excuses catch-phrase for a couple of years before forfeiting out of Nationals when he was physically able to compete, and the amount and type of publicity this forum and other media had going for him.

It is human nature to smirk at a situation when chickens are counted in that manner before they hatch, and then do not hatch.

Slushy, have you been making friends in Hawkeyeland again? Want a rebuttle? Here goes, nutsack:

1. Coaches can say whatever they want. I do know that Tom Brands wouldn't say something that he didn't believe at the time. Was he wrong? Way too early to tell, but I would say that SL is really, really good, and a really nice guy to boot.

2. Spencer didn't say that to make money. That was just off the cuff. That he sold a few T-shirts with that phrase on it was just another NIL thing, and a pretty innocent one as well. I'm guessing that he won't be retiring on that money, but it might cover his hotel bill at Nationals next year if he's really enterprising. I suggest that each of us buy an "Excuses" T-shirt if we haven't already. I can't think of a better way to stick it to the nits. Let's send SL to KC as a thank you.

3. Physically able to compete? How the F do you know? SL's smarts and proven high character tells me that he made the correct decision for the right reasons. That's good enough for me. Would be for you too, if you weren't still bitter because he rejected PSU, and went to Iowa instead.

4. This forum is for Hawkeye fans, not you. Take your twisted narrative somewhere else, and as Hawkfan so articulately stated above: Stfu.

 

[The-Dude-Abides]

Slush, I consider you to be a fair-minded poster, but I think you're showing your hand with these posts. I've been following wrestling closely for a long time, and I can't recall a top-level recruit who had anything approaching the level of scrutiny Spencer has had. One constant in the criticism of Spencer is attributing things he never said or did to him, as though he said or did them himself. The meaning-twisting gymnastics some people go through to tear him down is truly remarkable.

Referencing your points, for example, Brands said he was the best wrestler he's ever seen. Putting aside the obvious health issues that would give almost any other wrestler a free pass, Tom did not call him the GOAT in the way we fans argue about it. Even if he did, Spencer never made any such claim, but the dam holding back the criticism broke immediately anyway. "Excuses are for wusses" in context was Spencer giving a frustrated interview after winning his third title injured as hell, trying to say that he was playing the hand he was dealt and also not disparaging his opponents. He maybe could have competed again after the semis loss this year, but do you have any idea what he was dealing with all year and what wrestling additional matches that would have no impact on the team race would do to his future goals? The other things you reference are these message boards and what wrestling media did to hype him up. Spencer didn't count any chickens before they hatched. People who talk but don't wrestle did.

The inapposite reference to Icarus explains a lot about your views. Icarus, with a gift of wings, flew too close the the sun and fell to his demise solely because of his own hubris. Spencer has demonstrated nothing but selfless devotion to his team above himself. He didn't fly too close to the sun in his own arrogance. Yet the spin from outside the program is nonstop.

When someone like Spencer gets this level of misconstrued, undeserved shit, people are reasonably going to question how much the Iowa factor plays into it. It smacks of Iowa hate much more than a logically consistent criticism of any one wrestler. Consider for example what would happen if Spencer, or any other Hawk, had tweeted any of the things Starocci has. Or, would you have the same take if Spencer had chosen PSU? We're all biased to our teams, but this assault on Spencer Lee has gone off the rails, and he deserves much more respect from true fans of the sport of wrestling. Those that are "smirking" at his hardship show themselves for what they truly are.

 

[Grip220]

Guys, it's just jealousy! Lots of people hate Jordan and Brady and lots of people hate Kyle Dake. Why, because they are the best.

Taylor is a red headed stepchild to Dake and if Spencer had 2 good knees there is only one other guy besides Dake even in the conversation of college GOAT. Everyone knows this but sometimes minds are clouded with rubbish and jealousy.

 

[DeadHead11]

Wrestling isn’t about what ifs. I’ve been wishing Spencer would ball out at Pitt since his Saegertown days but that wasn’t in the cards. Amazing wrestling who needed to take more time away to heal and hope he does now. USA is gonna smash the world for awhile! Wooooo!

 

[bourbon n blues]

If I were ever fortunate enough to meet you I would punch you in the face and piss on you after you were on the floor.

There's that thing about plans.

 

[bourbon n blues]

Lol. Now there is some level-headed analysis. Enjoy your anger fellas, but what I posted is real. I’m not the only one who saw this coming. And it’s not just PSU fans.

I just disagree that the team is the sole reason people are smirking. It was the circumstances and human nature, not the singlet. Familiar with the story of Icarus?

Now, @HawkFan1986 , I stated one opinion based on 3 facts. Perhaps you can dispute the 3 facts I cited as a basis for my opinion? Or you can just be emotionally reactive? Your choice.

I was told by a few here Lee would pin his way through the ncaa finals. That obviously didn't happen .

So from the GOAT to a three timer? Well that happens. More often than actual GOATness.

 

[bourbon n blues]

Stfu and take your 3 paragraph smear job about Spencer and Tom away from here.
Who the f cares about anything you psu fans have to say about Spencer. At this point it’s almost a sexual perversion many have at mocking him and his family.

Don’t you have enough threads on your own board about Spencer Lee where you can run your mouth and give your dumb ass opinion. A new one gets put up every week and turns into mocking him or his family within 5 post. Hell that’s the whole point of the thread it seems.

Long story short. No one here gives a shit about any of the negative opinions you and your psu douche bag fan club has about spencer Lee. Haven’t you figured that out by now? Iowa fans are proud of Spencer Lee and the shit he had to go through to do what he did. Sure he couldn’t quite pull off the 4 peat but that doesn’t matter to us.

If it didn't matter you wouldn't e so angry . I can make a case that Nickal, Nolf, and Retherford had better careers. So when people would call him the GOAT I'd disagree.

That hype aside he had a fantastic career and you should be able to enjoy that on it's no merit and not get mad at anyone who does not solely praise him.

 

[WEH8ST8HAWK]

Everyone’s got a plan until they get punched in the face.

Lol.... I've been punched by better, younger and stronger than you or any of your Ped State buddies. Some can back up what they say. I'll leave it at that.

 

[WEH8ST8HAWK]

There's that thing about plans.

There are also those that can back up what they say.

 

[slushhead]

@grapplefann , @The-Dude-Abides — You both make fair points based on fair perspectives. However, my post was more about describing the Spencer PR Machine and how the circumstances it created would have resulted in the same reactions across the wrestling world regardless of what singlet he wore. It was not a commentary on Spencer the human but, rather, an opinion about how the PR machine got bitten.

To the emotional others, all I can say is that Spencer seems to be handling this a lot better than you. I bet if he had been allowed to just go about his business quietly without all the promotional hoopla (and I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if that was actually his preference), there would be much less smirking.

@bourbon n blues — Funny thing is, I was actually one of the ones here noting the possibility of Spencer pinning his way through the post season. He was looking that good at the time, despite the odds.

 

[bourbon n blues]

I turned 60 this year, and I've watched a lot of sports. I have seen so much hype about the next best latest greatest thing, team , or individual .

More times than not this hype results in more of a meh than a GOAT moment . Off the top of my head and without commas, I could say 1960 Pittsburgh pirates US Olympic hockey team, Cincinnati Reds in 1990 Dodgers in 88 PSU versus Miami, etc. etc.. I dropped the commas for poops and giggles.

If you count on the best situation, effort, or your best day ever, you'll be disappointed almost all of the time. It's more common to see it not pan out.

It's my opinion that this hype is often put forth to generate views, clicks, and add revenue. Nothing more. I came up in a time where we didn't even get all the baseball box scores in our local newspaper. I was a Cincinnati Reds fan and since they played in the National League west, I could not get all of the box scores the next morning.

I'd buy the sporting news every week to read up on the box scores for my favorite baseball team. Once we had ESPN, we had almost instant news and sports scores. Look at the apps we have, live streaming contact by phone, and all this Internet talk stuff.

The old school times, with two more for pragmatic view, a wait-and-see view you could say. And the reason was because we always had to wait and see if you and I were sitting around having a beer and we said boy dispenser guy could pay his way through the finals we know about it, no one else.

The discussion kind of vans there. If you remember back in those days the access to information on what happened to the match wasn't as available as it is now.

Do yourself a favor, Google a Penn State game summary in a newspaper from the 70s through the 80s and read the story. Then compare it to a story now they literally put more context, a more in-depth analysis, and just better over riding back, then compared to now. Now it's basically a brief summary.

I think because we got such in-depth content back then we were a little bit more grounded in our sports reality takes. It was hard for hype to spread . Maybe the biggest case of good hype was the USO hockey team.

 

[HawkFan1986]

Lol. Now there is some level-headed analysis. Enjoy your anger fellas, but what I posted is real. I’m not the only one who saw this coming. And it’s not just PSU fans.

I just disagree that the team is the sole reason people are smirking. It was the circumstances and human nature, not the singlet. Familiar with the story of Icarus?

Now, @HawkFan1986 , I stated one opinion based on 3 facts. Perhaps you can dispute the 3 facts I cited as a basis for my opinion? Or you can just be emotionally reactive? Your choice.

I’m clearly biased, and so over hearing what I should think about Spencer Lee. I see an incredibly talented wrestler that’s unbelievably snake bitten with a body that doesn’t seem to want to hold up for him. Maybe the best top wrestler of all time. So good on top that his neutral game, which is also amazing, gets overlooked.

I see talent, drive, and perseverance. I also see heartbreak. Then I see some, laugh and mock that heartbreak. I can’t abide that anymore. So I’ll be emotionally reactive, as you call it, because damnit I also see a person. I don’t think anyone else could accomplish what Spencer did with the mountain sized obstacles placed in his way.

The shitty thing is, he wrestled for his fans, and many of them turned on him in the end. Call him a quitter, mock Tom for calling him the goat, criticize his record. You quite simply don’t get it, you don’t know what he’s been through. So idc what your opinions are on this matter. Full stop.

 

[Trapper85]

@grapplefann , @The-Dude-Abides — You both make fair points based on fair perspectives. However, my post was more about describing the Spencer PR Machine and how the circumstances it created would have resulted in the same reactions across the wrestling world regardless of what singlet he wore. It was not a commentary on Spencer the human but, rather, an opinion about how the PR machine got bitten.

To the emotional others, all I can say is that Spencer seems to be handling this a lot better than you. I bet if he had been allowed to just go about his business quietly without all the promotional hoopla (and I wouldn’t be surprised in the least if that was actually his preference), there would be much less smirking.

@bourbon n blues — Funny thing is, I was actually one of the ones here noting the possibility of Spencer pinning his way through the post season. He was looking that good at the time, despite the odds.

Can't speak to your original intent but I think this post is reasonable. But I do think the scrutiny/smirking was greater because he is at Iowa, the school many other wrestling fans seem to hate (at least in a sports sense). Pour on that the gas (social media) that surrounds us 24/7, then fan it with immature/negative windbags that are now everywhere, and the flaming roars. And while I fully support the underlying meaning of "Excuses are for Wussies", that being "try your best to battle through adversity", I just knew it would eventually get used against him.....cause lots of idiots don't know the difference between excuse and reason. And yes, I agree he and others probably put too much (toxic) pressure on him. But Spencer seems wise, humble, and a hard worker. This will/should make him a better person, while all the flame throwers will continue to try and burn down others as a way to feel better about themselves (hint, it won't work).

 

[GlenHawk]

I turned 60 this year, and I've watched a lot of sports. I have seen so much hype about the next best latest greatest thing, team , or individual .

More times than not this hype results in more of a meh than a GOAT moment . Off the top of my head and without commas, I could say 1960 Pittsburgh pirates US Olympic hockey team, Cincinnati Reds in 1990 Dodgers in 88 PSU versus Miami, etc. etc.. I dropped the commas for poops and giggles.

If you count on the best situation, effort, or your best day ever, you'll be disappointed almost all of the time. It's more common to see it not pan out.

It's my opinion that this hype is often put forth to generate views, clicks, and add revenue. Nothing more. I came up in a time where we didn't even get all the baseball box scores in our local newspaper. I was a Cincinnati Reds fan and since they played in the National League west, I could not get all of the box scores the next morning.

I'd buy the sporting news every week to read up on the box scores for my favorite baseball team. Once we had ESPN, we had almost instant news and sports scores. Look at the apps we have, live streaming contact by phone, and all this Internet talk stuff.

The old school times, with two more for pragmatic view, a wait-and-see view you could say. And the reason was because we always had to wait and see if you and I were sitting around having a beer and we said boy dispenser guy could pay his way through the finals we know about it, no one else.

The discussion kind of vans there. If you remember back in those days the access to information on what happened to the match wasn't as available as it is now.

Do yourself a favor, Google a Penn State game summary in a newspaper from the 70s through the 80s and read the story. Then compare it to a story now they literally put more context, a more in-depth analysis, and just better over riding back, then compared to now. Now it's basically a brief summary.

I think because we got such in-depth content back then we were a little bit more grounded in our sports reality takes. It was hard for hype to spread . Maybe the biggest case of good hype was the USO hockey team.

Wait, so are you saying Spencer Lee was hyped for “nothing more” than to generate views, clicks, and add revenue? You don’t actually think that, do you?

 

[HawkFan1986]

If it didn't matter you wouldn't e so angry . I can make a case that Nickal, Nolf, and Retherford had better careers. So when people would call him the GOAT I'd disagree.

That hype aside he had a fantastic career and you should be able to enjoy that on it's no merit and not get mad at anyone who does not solely praise him.

Not angry. Exhausted. Tire of people telling fans what they should think. Why should Iowa fans have to defend Spencer Lee. That’s insane to me. But ever since he tripped up the wrestling world has been pointing at him and laughing. How is that okay? He shouldn’t need to be defended, he should be celebrated by wrestling fans for what he gave us all for six years.

But you and slushy can make a case for blah blah blah..,,,idgaf.

 

[blcoach80]

Slush, I consider you to be a fair-minded poster, but I think you're showing your hand with these posts. I've been following wrestling closely for a long time, and I can't recall a top-level recruit who had anything approaching the level of scrutiny Spencer has had. One constant in the criticism of Spencer is attributing things he never said or did to him, as though he said or did them himself. The meaning-twisting gymnastics some people go through to tear him down is truly remarkable.

Referencing your points, for example, Brands said he was the best wrestler he's ever seen. Putting aside the obvious health issues that would give almost any other wrestler a free pass, Tom did not call him the GOAT in the way we fans argue about it. Even if he did, Spencer never made any such claim, but the dam holding back the criticism broke immediately anyway. "Excuses are for wusses" in context was Spencer giving a frustrated interview after winning his third title injured as hell, trying to say that he was playing the hand he was dealt and also not disparaging his opponents. He maybe could have competed again after the semis loss this year, but do you have any idea what he was dealing with all year and what wrestling additional matches that would have no impact on the team race would do to his future goals? The other things you reference are these message boards and what wrestling media did to hype him up. Spencer didn't count any chickens before they hatched. People who talk but don't wrestle did.

The inapposite reference to Icarus explains a lot about your views. Icarus, with a gift of wings, flew too close the the sun and fell to his demise solely because of his own hubris. Spencer has demonstrated nothing but selfless devotion to his team above himself. He didn't fly too close to the sun in his own arrogance. Yet the spin from outside the program is nonstop.

When someone like Spencer gets this level of misconstrued, undeserved shit, people are reasonably going to question how much the Iowa factor plays into it. It smacks of Iowa hate much more than a logically consistent criticism of any one wrestler. Consider for example what would happen if Spencer, or any other Hawk, had tweeted any of the things Starocci has. Or, would you have the same take if Spencer had chosen PSU? We're all biased to our teams, but this assault on Spencer Lee has gone off the rails, and he deserves much more respect from true fans of the sport of wrestling. Those that are "smirking" at his hardship show themselves for what they truly are.

Great post. Nailed it.

 

[Trapper85]

Wait, so are you saying Spencer Lee was hyped for “nothing more” than to generate views, clicks, and add revenue? You don’t actually think that, do you?

I didn't read it that way, but maybe I was wrong. I skimmed his 6 paragraphs and came away with my own short take - social ignorance (i.e., not being on social media much) is bliss. To that interpretation I offered a Like.

 

[slushhead]

Can't speak to your original intent but I think this post is reasonable. But I do think the scrutiny/smirking was greater because he is at Iowa, the school many other wrestling fans seem to hate (at least in a sports sense). Pour on that the gas (social media) that surrounds us 24/7, then fan it with immature/negative windbags that are now everywhere, and the flaming roars. And while I fully support the underlying meaning of "Excuses are for Wussies", that being "try your best to battle through adversity", I just knew it would eventually get used against him.....cause lots of idiots don't know the difference between excuse and reason. And yes, I agree he and others probably put too much (toxic) pressure on him. But Spencer seems wise, humble, and a hard worker. This will/should make him a better person, while all the flame throwers will continue to try and burn down others as a way to feel better about themselves (hint, it won't work).

Yeah, my only point was the color of the singlet isn’t all-important in these debates.

Let’s throw another hypothetical out there . . . what if Spencer had wrestled for Ohio State? Everything else goes the same, and assume they had a Rivals forum as active and vocal as this one . . .

The blow-back on Tom Ryan, who has a history of talking too much on social media, would have been about the same or even worse, IMO. The blow-back on the forum posters would have been about the same, IMO. The blow-back on Excuses™ would have been comparable, IMO (and let me be clear, I have no problem with Spencer having made that statement when he did, but it was the marketing for profit afterward that I think was begging for something to go awry).

I am separating Spencer from the Spencer PR Machine in this discussion. Spencer’s raw talent and strong will to overcome adversity are more than admirable and not in dispute. The dispute is over the significance to which the singlet he wore influenced wrestling fans’ responses to how things ultimately played out. To suggest the narrative would be completely different had Spencer been on any other team is dismissive of all the actual factors that played into the development of people’s perspectives on the situation. Those perspectives vary, by the way.

 

[Slim45]

Not angry. Exhausted. Tire of people telling fans what they should think. Why should Iowa fans have to defend Spencer Lee. That’s insane to me. But ever since he tripped up the wrestling world has been pointing at him and laughing. How is that okay? He shouldn’t need to be defended, he should be celebrated by wrestling fans for what he gave us all for six years.

But you and slushy can make a case for blah blah blah..,,,idgaf.

Spot on. The detractors are taking Spencers incredible career, and boiling it down to 1 decision, just to trash his character. When all he showed during his whole career was selflessness, humbleness and an incredible amount of determination. The fact people even need to defend him at all just shows how ignorant the people are that they’re defending him against.

 

[jayridescarbon]

Lol.... I've been punched by better, younger and stronger than you or any of your Ped State buddies. Some can back up what they say. I'll leave it at that.

A man with a plan…. just sayin

 

[jayridescarbon]

Lol.... I've been punched by better, younger and stronger than you or any of your Ped State buddies. Some can back up what they say. I'll leave it at that.

Make sure you pee before you leave the house. You might be waiting for a while, I’m old and it will take me some time to get under the bridge.

 

[WEH8ST8HAWK]

Make sure you pee before you leave the house. You might be waiting for a while, I’m old and it will take me some time to get under the bridge.

I'm not much for meeting under a bridge jayridesc_ck. I'd rather meet at the gym I train at and we could call it sparring. No hard feelings after.

 

[jayridescarbon]

I'm not much for meeting under a bridge jayridesc_ck. I'd rather meet at the gym I train at and we could call it sparring. No hard feelings after.

By the way, your odd propensity to pee on your opponent after besting them in a bare knuckles contest has prompted a full scale investigation on HVI (BWI).

 

[eb05]

i get poking fun at hawkeye fans because our guy lost and that is fair game but the insults directed at spencer and his family have been nothing short of abhorrent. hawkeye fans and i suspect him, his family and coaches won’t forget that any time soon.

 

[blcoach80]

Spencer is just a good human. Like him or not, what has he ever done to dislike him other than go to Iowa and win? He is humble, realistic, and honest. Mocking him for being injured and forfeiting out is true doushbagery at it is finest.

 

[MAGAman]

Guys, it's just jealousy! Lots of people hate Jordan and Brady and lots of people hate Kyle Dake. Why, because they are the best.

Taylor is a red headed stepchild to Dake and if Spencer had 2 good knees there is only one other guy besides Dake even in the conversation of college GOAT. Everyone knows this but sometimes minds are clouded with rubbish and jealousy.

Hawk fan and SL fan. But you guys have to wake up. Not only not goat like ive said hes not goat at iowa and certainly not on all time top 20. 12-20 at iowa. This narrative by delusional fans along with leadership blowing him up only hurt SL. His likeabulility nationally and on his own team. Wake up! Stop the idolizing for SL sake. 5 of the natty champs just this yr are better then throw in the obvious…..ramos!

 

[Inthecircle]

Slush, I consider you to be a fair-minded poster, but I think you're showing your hand with these posts. I've been following wrestling closely for a long time, and I can't recall a top-level recruit who had anything approaching the level of scrutiny Spencer has had. One constant in the criticism of Spencer is attributing things he never said or did to him, as though he said or did them himself. The meaning-twisting gymnastics some people go through to tear him down is truly remarkable.

Referencing your points, for example, Brands said he was the best wrestler he's ever seen. Putting aside the obvious health issues that would give almost any other wrestler a free pass, Tom did not call him the GOAT in the way we fans argue about it. Even if he did, Spencer never made any such claim, but the dam holding back the criticism broke immediately anyway. "Excuses are for wusses" in context was Spencer giving a frustrated interview after winning his third title injured as hell, trying to say that he was playing the hand he was dealt and also not disparaging his opponents. He maybe could have competed again after the semis loss this year, but do you have any idea what he was dealing with all year and what wrestling additional matches that would have no impact on the team race would do to his future goals? The other things you reference are these message boards and what wrestling media did to hype him up. Spencer didn't count any chickens before they hatched. People who talk but don't wrestle did.

The inapposite reference to Icarus explains a lot about your views. Icarus, with a gift of wings, flew too close the the sun and fell to his demise solely because of his own hubris. Spencer has demonstrated nothing but selfless devotion to his team above himself. He didn't fly too close to the sun in his own arrogance. Yet the spin from outside the program is nonstop.

When someone like Spencer gets this level of misconstrued, undeserved shit, people are reasonably going to question how much the Iowa factor plays into it. It smacks of Iowa hate much more than a logically consistent criticism of any one wrestler. Consider for example what would happen if Spencer, or any other Hawk, had tweeted any of the things Starocci has. Or, would you have the same take if Spencer had chosen PSU? We're all biased to our teams, but this assault on Spencer Lee has gone off the rails, and he deserves much more respect from true fans of the sport of wrestling. Those that are "smirking" at his hardship show themselves for what they truly are.

Quite possibly the greatest post ever defending Spencer Lee.

 

[Inthecircle]

I was told by a few here Lee would pin his way through the ncaa finals. That obviously didn't happen .

So from the GOAT to a three timer? Well that happens. More often than actual GOATness.

Yep I said he might. I didn’t tell you he would. So why do you change from could to would? Just to stir the pot….yep.
To be the GOAT you have to be a 4 time NCAA champ? SMH.