Walton is not dumb. Some, if not many. consider him annoying. For instance, his 'Conference of Champions' reference to the Pac 12 is partly tongue in cheek, part of his schtick. If you don't get that, you would consider him 'dumb.' Most people consider him entertaining. Ck out The Athletic's profile of him.
Dan Dakich
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"Iowa has never based their program on toughness..."
Reggie Evans: “Hold my beer.”
Reggie Evans: “Hold my beer.”
And his opponent says "I can't, I have to hold my nuts around you" lol.
Not like Dakich would let you forget it either......The guy talks because he like the sound of his voice.......
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14 teams in the league, so one title every 14 years would be a realistic goal...
What should Iowa fans reasonably expect in a decade? Is that your tough question that you think I’m avoiding? Well it’s a question I can’t answer for ALL Iowa fans unfortunately. But I will answer it for one Iowa fan.
Iowa has one B1G conference title in the last 50 years and that one title was before I was alive. The four coaches before this coach couldn’t win a title either. So is it a Fran problem or an Iowa problem? Is Fran set up for failure? Kind of seems that way given the factors I already addressed above in the previous response to you. If you disagree, that’s fine.
I expect competitive and enjoyable basketball with a reasonable chance to win each and every game. Games that are fun to attend at home and enjoyable to travel to on the road. So far, in Fran’s tenure at Iowa, I’ve experienced just that. Hard for me to complain too much about him. Is Fran the only coach in America capable of this accomplishment, absolutely not. Iowa had a coach very similar to Fran in results and we ran him off because we thought we could do better. Here we are, 20 plus seasons later, still trying to surpass those expectations.
To me it comes down to, is it an Iowa problem or a Fran problem? Iowa who has one conf title 42 years ago (or two in 64 years) or Fran who’s won conf titles at both of his previous stops before Iowa in half the amount of time. Seems like a pretty obvious answer.
tl;dr this whole thread, but there is a difference between being tough, and being physical - particularly to the point of 'the refs can't call everything a foul' that MSU, or West Virginia and some others play. Basketball (in my eyes) isn't meant to be a game won by the strongest. Basketball should allow the offense freedom of movement, not a constant slog to get anywhere on the court
You don’t think this problem, this trend, of only two conference titles for Iowa in the past 64 years goes beyond Fran McCaffery? Even more proof that Fran has shown he can win conference titles at his other stops.
Well said. Whom would the detractors prefer? Hoiberg? Prohm? Pitino? Underwood? Collins? Miller?
Iowa is not the easiest place to recruit to. If , say. Travis Ford of St. Louis U. had his pick of Big Ten jobs (money being the same) my guess is that he would pick Iowa over only Northwestern and Nebraska. (but maybe not Nebraska because the bar for success is so low there.)
My concern is that Fran will bolt Iowa after a good season in part to get away from the poor malignant souls who ceaselessly attack him and his players.
Well the same whiny ass clowns ran George Raveling off and he was maybe the best recruiter Iowa ever had. Hell Jesus Christ Himself could be the coach and the same people would bitch and moan about Him too. lmao.
First, let’s stop the confused and unclear thinking on this issue.
Dacich said Iowa never wins the big ten because they don’t emphasize toughness. The emotional half wits here immediately attacked him as emotional half wits do.
You argued that Fran’s superior record compared to the interim coach’s showed that dacich doesn’t know what he’s talking about. I found this funny a non sequitur. Because it is.
I noted that we haven’t won a league title in 42 years and counting and asked your expert opinion as to why that might be. You for some reason interpreted this as an attack specifically on Fran, and made the half wit observation that Fran couldn’t be responsible for 42 years of futility because he hasn’t been here that long.
No one disagrees. Certainly not me. I never so much as suggested otherwise.
Did Raveling emphasize toughness? Did Davis? Did Alford? Did Lickliter? Does Fran? I don’t know but Dacich’s theory doesn’t seem outlandish to me. Iowa has some challenges. So do other programs. See e.g. Wisconsin. Your short bus theory seems like a cope to me more than anything else.
If you’re happy paying for fun basketball, that’s fantastic. You’re Barta’s perfect fan. Congrats. That doesn’t mean that people who expect a little hardware once every 40 years or so are “malignant”. Lol.
After listen to Gus Johnson and Bill Rafferty Sunday, I'll take Jock Itch every day of the week...
No suggestion that those who want a championship are Poor Malignant Souls (PMSers) Just those who ceaselessly, and often viciously, attack Fran and his players. But you knew that. Gives you an opportunity to use the full-witted LOL. Priceless.
Dakich is entertaining, but fale
Dan Dakich is entertaining, but can not be taken seriously as failed miserbly as a head coach at Indiana and
Bowling Green. Dan is your classic blowhard
Let’s be very clear here, I didn’t compare Fran once to Dakich, let alone his interim coaching career. That was another poster, not me. The topic of the discussion is that Iowa can’t win because Fran’s teams lack toughness, per Dakich. Which you responded for some reason that Iowa hasn’t won a title for 32 years before Fran got here. Then in a complete cool guy move, started asking everyone for their expert opinions and throwing out little quips like “half wit” and “short bus”.
Once I answered your question, in my non expert opinion by relaying what the experts are saying about Iowa, you moved the bar to my expectations. I don’t quite get it, but I answered it. I don’t give a shit what your expectations are for the Iowa program, not sure why mine are so important to you.
Maybe you should actually remember who posted what and use the insults a little less. Perhaps we both could have saved some time on this subject.
It's perfectly reasonable to think that Iowa would compete for a title more often. It's disappointing that they don't.
But I have no idea what the "expectations" should be for fans that simply watch the games. We have no ownership.
If you think a coach should be fired for not winning championships in Iowa basketball, you're going to be disappointed. If you are the AD, or President of the U, you "expect" the team to conduct themselves with class, be good students, compete, win more games than you lose, put butts in the seats to help pay for the expense of having a team, etc. In other words, represent the U well.
Aside from a few childish tantrums, Fran has done that. The program is on solid footing. By what I believe to be the U's measuring stick, Fran has been a success at Iowa.
Let's hope they finish the season strong.
Fran is smart enough to know that poor malignant souls who will ceaselessly attack him and his players exist in every program and the only way to escape them is to quit coaching... There are no dream fan bases out there.
1 B1G title over any ten year period shouldn’t be too much to ask. But many of those periods have come and gone, regardless of the coach, and here we are today.
I would think 2-3 Sweet 16 appearances/decade is a reasonable expectation. However.....see above.
My thoughts:
DD is right...we are a soft team and soft program that is mentally weak.
Fran has had more than enough time to grow and get us to a higher level and we just arent doing it. 10 years is an eternity in CBB. I can appreciate the depths he brought us out of at the same time can want more.
Agree with the poster that mentioned our recruiting. We seem to only recruit skill players- even our bigs are skilled guys that are rarely athletic AND tough. Think we should reassess our team makeup and do a better job mixing skill guys with athletes and tough guys.
DD is right...we are a soft team and soft program that is mentally weak.
Fran has had more than enough time to grow and get us to a higher level and we just arent doing it. 10 years is an eternity in CBB. I can appreciate the depths he brought us out of at the same time can want more.
Agree with the poster that mentioned our recruiting. We seem to only recruit skill players- even our bigs are skilled guys that are rarely athletic AND tough. Think we should reassess our team makeup and do a better job mixing skill guys with athletes and tough guys.
The state being too white may have been an issue. If George stays longer his ‘recruiting’ may have brought some scrutiny to the school.
