Dasonte Bowen has entered the Transfer Portal (Commits to St. Bonaventure). He was supposed to be "the" PG that Fran finally landed
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Yeah, I don't get it, there has to be more of a reason then Fran not playing him. Bowen is not bad enough to not play....Maybe Fran is trying to encourage him to work harder in practice, just guessing.
BirdistheWord
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We do need his quickness. He can get to the rim though his shooting is not great. Amazingly he was a starter for a bit. His confidence has to be in the toilet.
In the five game stretch of @Indiana through @Maryland, Bowen has been -11, -5, -10, -13, -2. Overall, that is a net -41 and he has done that in just 40 defensive possessions and 37 offensive possessions. That is just staggeringly bad. If extrapolated out to 20 minutes of playing time, we'd be looking at a 35-40 point hole. For whatever reason the wheels completely fall off when he's in the game.
Okay I dug through my stats. Over half of Bowen's defensive possessions came with Patrick also on the floor with him and we give up a stunning 1.41 points per possession when those two are on the floor together. When Bowen is on the floor without Patrick, we give up a much better but still pretty bad 1.15 points per possession. It's a huge jump. However, before you jump to the conclusion that Bowen's troubles are solely due to him playing alongside Patrick, consider that we give up only 1.12 points per possession when Patrick is on the floor without Bowen. So both Patrick's and Bowen's defensive numbers get torpedoed when they are on the floor together and Patrick's seem to get torpedoed slightly more. When neither of them are on the floor, we give up 1.10 points per possession. The simplest explanation is that they are both poor defensively and when they both come in together, it's a complete debacle.
Overall, we play m2m defense on 66% of our defensive possessions and allow 1.12 points per possession in m2m. When Bowen is in the game, we play m2m on 63% of our defensive possessions and allow 1.29 points per possession in m2m. Overall, we play zone on 17% of our defensive possessions and allow 1.12 points per possession in zone. When Bowen is in the game, we play zone on 15% of our defensive possessions and allow 1.10 points per possession in zone. The zone numbers are very similar with or without Bowen.
So your theory is incorrect. Bowen's bad defensive numbers are due primarily to our m2m being ineffective with him in the game. Another contributing factor is that we allow more transition baskets at a higher rate when Bowen is in the game but the biggest thing is m2m effectiveness. It definitely isn't frequency of zone or effectiveness of zone.
BirdistheWord
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I never thought of Bowen as a great defender but he appears to be far worse that I thought. Interestingly I wonder if that is why he is not playing given how many bad defenders play good mi utes.
Interesting stats. Thanks for digging into them. When I watch Bowen on the defensive end, it seems like he is a pretty good defender. That is definitely not the case with Patrick. I had a pretty good impression of Bowen early in the season, but in the little he has played recently, he just dribbles around the perimeter, and the ball doesn't move. That is partly because of the other players who are also on the floor. Harding at least tries to make something happen, so he deserves more playing time now than Bowen. I am not sure if Bowen can show more next year, but I still think he has the physical tools to be a decent player.
I really hope you're right here, time will tell. But maybe tone it down for now? It's what we call irrational exuberance. Iowa isn't the "show me" state, but seeing is believing. When we see more consistently, please come back and throw it in our face... lol.
sit them both. Tony & Dix can both play the point & Payton can play the 2.
Agree that Tony and Dix should get most of the minutes at guard, but I think Payton should be mostly at 3, with some time at 4. Payton is NOT quick enough to guard most B1G guards. Pryce might be able to play some 2, but I think Harding and even Bowen should be getting some minutes, maybe mostly for breathers or foul trouble. I think players should get a blow each half.
Harding is just a better Bowen at this point. The rotation is pretty correct with Harding giving Perkins breathers.
Im assuming that you're looking over a whole season?
In reference to the zone I was specifically referring to the stretch of games where he was only playing 5 minutes a game in the first half that all seemed to go terrible.
The time Bowen spent as the starter was mostly m2m and mostly with Krikke, Sandfort, Patrick all together and no Freeman or Dix.
Then latter when he was subbing more often it was still usually still with Krikke, and Patrick but without Dix or Perkins and often without Freeman.
That stretch of games it seemed to me Fran was often switching to a zone when the subs came in.
Most likely the same 5 game stretch that you referenced in your earlier post that was terrible.
I'll go back and watch those stretches, I'm curious if my memory is correct. I distinctly remember one example of repeated bad possessions in zone involving Dembele/Bowen.
I'd bet the most interesting defensive splits for the rest of the players would be with Freeman vs with Dembele vs both vs neither.
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Next up in how can I get PMAC in as much as possible...... Tony and Dix can play against light pressure out front. Tony has very loose handles. Neither would be a serviceable point guard if we were in the big 12. When teams ratchet up the pressure against us, we struggle. We end up shooting last second fade aways that may or may not hit the rim. This is because we lack someone on the floor to break a player down. While most of the good teams have several of these guys, we only have brock.
I think Tony would be much better off with a pg playing with him. Tony, Dix, harding should be getting the bulk of the minutes. There are 80 between the 2 spots, there is no way fran is handling these minutes well, imo.
Dasonte did not play in today's 10 point loss at Illinois.
Minutes today:
37: Dix
33: Tony
32: Payton
30: Ben
29: Owen
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21: Patrick
7: Brock
7: Ladji
4: Pryce
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200 Total Minutes
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Minutes today:
37: Dix
33: Tony
32: Payton
30: Ben
29: Owen
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21: Patrick
7: Brock
7: Ladji
4: Pryce
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200 Total Minutes
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I'm not throwing it in your face, I'm just telling you the truth, you've seen Brock for 283+ minutes of playing time, I've seen Brock play for over 4 years and over 70+ games and a state championship. Who do you think knows more about how Brock plays the game. I'll leave it at that.
Could he have already told you of his intentions after the season?
This is as bizarre as you playing Patrick like he helps on offense, defense, and rebounding. Head scratcher for sure!
I believe every time I watch him. His defense isn’t where it will be but let’s be honest, on Iowa, that should have 0 to do with pt. Fran doesn’t care.
If Brock played 100% of pmacs minutes we’d have a better record.
Well we know that won't happen, Patrick needs 5 more points to reach 1000 points at Iowa. until then and until the end of the season we all have to take the good with the bad and that goes with how Fran coaches the game.
Fran says Dasonte's knee is injured and may need surgery in PSU post-game presser. Says this is the reason DB hasn't been playing
BirdistheWord
HB Legend
That makes sense as it’s not like we are a deep team and he hasn’t sniffed the court in what seems like a few weeks.
Are you certain of this?
Fran says he needs knee surgery...he might know.
BirdistheWord
HB Legend
yep, Fran finally said what was going on last night.
did he say when the injury happened?
Another question being asked: Why, if injured to the point of needing surgery, was Dasonte in full uniform last night?
Sounds like it’s been lingering for awhile. Hope he gets right and explains his regression this year.
I would guess he can play if needed in an emergency roll
I agree. I really like Dix and Tony. If we had them on ncaa teams (I know Tony was on a couple but didn’t play a ton) that lost to Oregon and Richmond, things might have been different.
I think the difference is the other bad defenders are scorers and Bowen is not. We all know Fran is going to play those who can score first, family excluded.
clears room for the stud we've been looking for...
