Dems Plan to Fund Gov't By Passing Bills Already Approved by GOP Senate

[What Would Jesus Do?]

[What could possibly go wrong?]

The House on Thursday—the opening day of the 116th Congress—will vote on a consolidated package of bipartisan bills that came out of the Republican-controlled Senate Appropriations Committee to provide full fiscal 2019 funding for the departments of Transportation, Housing and Urban Development, State, Interior, Agriculture, Treasury, Commerce and Justice, as well as a number of independent agencies such as the Environmental Protection Agency, Office of Personnel Management and General Services Administration. It is also expected to pass stopgap funding through Dec. 8 for Homeland Security.

While the new Democratic majority can advance those measures without Republican support, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., is not expected to bring them up for a vote in the upper chamber. He has vowed not to cast any votes on spending bills until President Trump has given his blessing on a path forward.

The White House has already blasted the Democrats’ plan, saying it fails to provide funding for Trump’s proposed wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefit...n-government-including-pay-raise-feds/153872/​

So the Dems pick what ought to be a slam dunk way to get the government back to work, by offering a package of things the GOP already agreed to.

But McConnell won't do anything without Trump's approval (gotta love the independence he's showing).

And Trump won't approve even things the GOP is OK with without a wall.

Ordinarily, I'd be bitching at the Dems for caving in to the GOP by accepting GOP-approved bills. But the leader of the Senate and the President of the US are so much worse.

 

[Huey Grey]

Pretty clear one person and one person alone is responsible for this shutdown.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

[What could possibly go wrong?]

The House on Thursday—the opening day of the 116th Congress—will vote on a consolidated package of bipartisan bills that came out of the Republican-controlled Senate Appropriations Committee to provide full fiscal 2019 funding for the departments of Transportation, Housing and Urban Development, State, Interior, Agriculture, Treasury, Commerce and Justice, as well as a number of independent agencies such as the Environmental Protection Agency, Office of Personnel Management and General Services Administration. It is also expected to pass stopgap funding through Dec. 8 for Homeland Security.

While the new Democratic majority can advance those measures without Republican support, Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., is not expected to bring them up for a vote in the upper chamber. He has vowed not to cast any votes on spending bills until President Trump has given his blessing on a path forward.

The White House has already blasted the Democrats’ plan, saying it fails to provide funding for Trump’s proposed wall along the U.S.-Mexico border.

https://www.govexec.com/pay-benefit...n-government-including-pay-raise-feds/153872/​

So the Dems pick what ought to be a slam dunk way to get the government back to work, by offering a package of things the GOP already agreed to.

But McConnell won't do anything without Trump's approval (gotta love the independence he's showing).

And Trump won't approve even things the GOP is OK with without a wall.

Ordinarily, I'd be bitching at the Dems for caving in to the GOP by accepting GOP-approved bills. But the leader of the Senate and the President of the US are so much worse.

This further goes to show who the adults in the room are.

 

[BelemNole]

Ordinarily, I'd be bitching at the Dems for caving in to the GOP by accepting GOP-approved bills. But the leader of the Senate and the President of the US are so much worse.

Well, they know that Trump won't go for it so they get good press and he continues to look like a child. Win-win for them.

 

[haw-key]

This further goes to show who the adults in the room are.

Wow that's really original. Did you find that line in the handbook?

Maybe throw out a few Trumptards and tic toc tic tocs for good measure.

You libs sure are a boring bunch. SSDD.

 

[86Hawkeye]

This further goes to show who the adults in the room are.

The GOP can play that game by showing clips of Schumer endorsing more physical barriers at the border.

The democrats hate the wall because Trump wants it. Simple as that.

 

[THE_DEVIL]

The GOP can play that game by showing clips of Schumer endorsing more physical barriers at the border.

The democrats hate the wall because Trump wants it. Simple as that.

Why did Trump turn down the $25 billion for the wall deal ?

 

[86Hawkeye]

Why did Trump turn down the $25 billion for the wall deal ?

If dems offer $25 billion for a wall in exchange for dreamer fix then Trump should take it.

I think almost everyone agrees on dreamer fix.....or they should.

 

[THE_DEVIL]

Link to a $25 billion wall?

And if so, what's the big deal now with dems not supporting $5 billion?

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-immigration-deal-trump-shouldve-taken-didnt

Why would they agree to anything with out concessions on any deal? Trump is offering nothing to the dems.

 

[haw-key]

Wow that's really original. Did you find that line in the handbook?

Trump will not cave and take no security funding. This plays well to the right despite what many of you think.

 

[86Hawkeye]

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-immigration-deal-trump-shouldve-taken-didnt

Why would they agree to anything with out concessions on any deal? Trump is offering nothing to the dems.

Agree. He should offer the dreamer fix.

 

[THE_DEVIL]

If dems offer $25 billion for a wall in exchange for dreamer fix then Trump should take it.

I think almost everyone agrees on dreamer fix.....or they should.

They did and Trump said no.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

The GOP can play that game by showing clips of Schumer endorsing more physical barriers at the border.

The democrats hate the wall because Trump wants it. Simple as that.

I can't speak for all Dems, but I hate it because it's a stupid idea and a waste of money.

Effective border security is not a stupid idea - within reason. And could include some stretches of fence or wall. But the Trump/Republican fixation and actual plans (to the extent we even know what they are) are things no sane person should accept.

 

[Hoosierhawkeye]

Agree. He should offer the dreamer fix.

Trump originally accepted that deal and then Stephen Miller told him not to so because Trump is a weak leader Trump backed out of the deal.

So he had a great chance to get his wall, blew it and he's throwing a childish temper tantrum and shutting down the government for it.

Trump isn't offering the Dems anything they would actually want other then reopening the government.

 

[Huey Grey]

The GOP can play that game by showing clips of Schumer endorsing more physical barriers at the border.

The democrats hate the wall because Trump wants it. Simple as that.

Then do it. See who the public blames more after.

 

[naturalmwa]

Wow that's really original. Did you find that line in the handbook?

Maybe throw out a few Trumptards and tic toc tic tocs for good measure.

You libs sure are a boring bunch. SSDD.

You don’t need the tards. Just trumps is enough.

 

[THE_DEVIL]

Agree. He should offer the dreamer fix.

He took it off the table again today.

 

[86Hawkeye]

He took it off the table again today.

That's dumb.

 

[ping72]

This further goes to show who the adults in the room are.

The GOP can play that game by showing clips of Schumer endorsing more physical barriers at the border.

The democrats hate the wall because Trump wants it. Simple as that.

No. I hate the wall because it’s a waste of 100’s of billions of dollars that will do nothing to slow illegal immigration. It’s just a giant symbol to appease the racists in his base.

Anyone that actually wants to stop illegal immigration would hate spending this money on the wall as it sucks bigly resources from something that might actually work.

 

[THE_DEVIL]

Regarding the shut down the President is not to blame the Presidents roll would be to either sign or veto a bill sent to him, thus far the Democratics have avoided agreeing to anything for him to sign or veto, the shutdown is not his doing.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-show/the-immigration-deal-trump-shouldve-taken-didnt

@Brad Tucker

 

[SSG T]

Regarding the shut down the President is not to blame the Presidents roll would be to either sign or veto a bill sent to him, thus far the Democratics have avoided agreeing to anything for him to sign or veto, the shutdown is not his doing.

Prior to today, the Dems had little say over any bills getting through Congress. And he said no to the one that passed the Senate unanimously.

Whose fault is it again?

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

Wow that's really original. Did you find that line in the handbook?

Maybe throw out a few Trumptards and tic toc tic tocs for good measure.

You libs sure are a boring bunch. SSDD.

You don’t need the tards. Just trumps is enough.

"Trumptard" is redundant.

 

[naturalmwa]

"Trumptard" is redundant.

Yes, and offensive.

 

[haw-key]

"Trumptard" is redundant.

So is your entire existence.

 

[haw-key]

Yes, and offensive.

On that we have agreement.

 

[naturalmwa]

On that we have agreement.

Baby steps.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

So is your entire existence.

Apparently you don't know what "redundant" means.

Perhaps you don't know what "adult" means either?

 

[THE_DEVIL]

Regarding the shut down the President is not to blame the Presidents roll would be to either sign or veto a bill sent to him, thus far the Democratics have avoided agreeing to anything for him to sign or veto, the shutdown is not his doing.

@Brad Tucker

 

[Dr. Spaceman]

Regarding the shut down the President is not to blame the Presidents roll would be to either sign or veto a bill sent to him, thus far the Democratics have avoided agreeing to anything for him to sign or veto, the shutdown is not his doing.

This one?

 

[The Tradition]

This one?

That looks like a very presidential roll.

 

[What Would Jesus Do?]

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@Brad Tucker

"McConnell reiterated that he won’t put the measure the House Dems plan to pass tomorrow to reopen government on the Senate floor because Trump has said he won’t sign it, per @tedbarrettcnn. Many GOP senators support that plan, but Trump’s opposition will deny it a Senate vote"

In other words, even though this would almost certainly pass, McConnell won't let it pass.

If Trump doesn't want to be blamed for the shutdown, now he can blame McConnell.

 

[BioHawk]

Wow that's really original. Did you find that line in the handbook?

Maybe throw out a few Trumptards and tic toc tic tocs for good measure.

You libs sure are a boring bunch. SSDD.

It must suck to know you are on the losing end of debate all the time and have to try to deflect to crap like this.

 

[Huey Grey]

This one?

Damn that looks tasty.

 

[86Hawkeye]

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@Brad Tucker

I predict the shutdown will last more than one month, easily.

No $5 billion physical barrier funding and no dreamer fix will ensure this.

Something close to The Gang of 8 bill could solve things, but Trump and the Dems will need to cut a deal.

 

[Huey Grey]

I predict the shutdown will last more than one month, easily.

No $5 billion physical barrier funding and no dreamer fix will ensure this.

Something close to The Gang of 8 bill could solve things, but Trump and the Dems will need to cut a deal.

I agree. Trump loves this shutdown. It gets people talking about something other than Russia.

 

[THE_DEVIL]

"McConnell reiterated that he won’t put the measure the House Dems plan to pass tomorrow to reopen government on the Senate floor because Trump has said he won’t sign it, per @tedbarrettcnn. Many GOP senators support that plan, but Trump’s opposition will deny it a Senate vote"

In other words, even though this would almost certainly pass, McConnell won't let it pass.

If Trump doesn't want to be blamed for the shutdown, now he can blame McConnell.

 

[tarheelbybirth]

Trump will not cave and take no security funding. This plays well to the right despite what many of you think.

LOL...so what? He already has their blind allegiance. This plays for shit with independents.

 

[naturalmwa]

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@Brad Tucker

This means Trump has an absolute veto with no chance to override it. That’s not how the constitution is supposed to work. Remember when cons used to claim they supported the constitution?

 

[haw-key]

LOL...so what? He already has their blind allegiance. This plays for shit with independents.

What do you know of independents? Youre the furthest thing from it. Near certain forthcoming assertions to the contrary notwithstanding.

 

[haw-key]

This means Trump has an absolute veto with no chance to override it. That’s not how the constitution is supposed to work. Remember when cons used to claim they supported the constitution?

huh?

There are constitution hasn't changed. If you're under the impression that the constitution demands all votes come to the floor you haven't been paying attention. Like the entire time we've been a country.

As as an aside, there is no chance that the Republicans would vote to override a presidential veto of a clean CR. And they won't be forced by leadership to take a vote on it accordingly. On occasion bills are left off consideration to avoid placing senators in a position that isn't politically tenable.

It isn't relevant that they may have supported this piece of legislation in the past. Bills brought to the floor come in both their literal form and the context of politics at the time. One cannot assert in a legitimate way that because someone was for something once at one moment in time that they are hypocrites if they vote it down another. This is the whole watching sausage get made aspect of our process.

But to claim this violates the constitution is below you natural. You're smarter and more honest than that.