Did Jamie Pollard run Fred Hoiberg out of town?

[Lone Clone]

Yeah, I think Lone Clone meant the 1979 team which were Co-Champions in the Big Ten.

Yeah, I did. Got confused. For the record, I had season tickets at Iowa those years.

 

[wanderer85]

The irony is thick. Many hawk fans used to crow about the B12 North and how weak it was, and now the hawks are in the same type of setup with an even weaker group of teams. It looks to be doing wonders for ticket sales having MN, Purdue, Ill, and Mary as the home conference slate.

During the 16 years of the B12 North/South divide:

Iowa State went 38-90 in conference, an average record of about 2-6. They finished last or tied for last 9 of the 16 years. They had one winning conference record during those 16 years, a 5-3 record in 2000. They tied for one division championship in a year where they were 4-4 and there were no ranked teams, but must have lost the tiebreaker. Way to take advantage of the opportunity.

This is where the difference lies. During those years, Iowa played in the B10 and played an almost full schedule in what was a very strong conference. During those same 16 years, Iowa finished in the top 25 11 times, the top 10 3 times. Iowa played in 12 bowl games, including 2 BCS games.

Iowa has not taken great advantage of the weakness of the division the last couple years. Hopefully that is about to change. But since ISU got put in a more challenging situation, the wheels have completely fallen off. On the way to as few as 7 wins over 3 years. 9 conference wins in 5 years since the B12 abolished divisions.

Some advice to the Clones in this thread. When the topic starts with basketball, you'd be wise to stay on topic. When the topic is football, THAT'S when you want to divert.

 

[HerkyFan]

During the 16 years of the B12 North/South divide:

Iowa State went 38-90 in conference, an average record of about 2-6. They finished last or tied for last 9 of the 16 years. They had one winning conference record during those 16 years, a 5-3 record in 2000. They tied for one division championship in a year where they were 4-4 and there were no ranked teams, but must have lost the tiebreaker. Way to take advantage of the opportunity.

This is where the difference lies. During those years, Iowa played in the B10 and played an almost full schedule in what was a very strong conference. During those same 16 years, Iowa finished in the top 25 11 times, the top 10 3 times. Iowa played in 12 bowl games, including 2 BCS games.

Iowa has not taken great advantage of the weakness of the division the last couple years. Hopefully that is about to change. But since ISU got put in a more challenging situation, the wheels have completely fallen off. On the way to as few as 7 wins over 3 years. 9 conference wins in 5 years since the B12 abolished divisions.

Some advice to the Clones in this thread. When the topic starts with basketball, you'd be wise to stay on topic. When the topic is football, THAT'S when you want to divert.

Facts are only viable when they come directly from Jamie Pollard. Nothing else counts with clone fans. They have no use for your data or simple straight forward logic. Please refrain from using any of this in the future. It will simply be ignored by clone fans so you are wasting your time.

 

[DanL53]

Yeah, I did. Got confused. For the record, I had season tickets at Iowa those years.

We likely passed right by each other a time or two. I had student tickets.

 

[Lone Clone]

We likely passed right by each other a time or two. I had student tickets.

Entirely possible. We were on the south end about two-thirds of the way toward the top.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Entirely possible. We were on the south end about two-thirds of the way toward the top.

I was between the top of the key and the center line 21 rows up, facing the benches.

As far as avoiding a subject at hand I guess I learned from the master, and if it's going to be shown that the probability of being wrong is high I will change the scope of the discussion and strike out at the other poster.

As far as a division co championship in football being considered the same as a conference co championship in basketball well if you don't know that divisions and conferences are different than we will agree to disagree. The Big 12 lists the result as a division co championship and not a conference co championship so I will go with how they record it. I know, I know you will probably be skeptical of that but since it is their conference I will go with them on this one.

 

[Lone Clone]

I was between the top of the key and the center line 21 rows up, facing the benches.

As far as avoiding a subject at hand I guess I learned from the master, and if it's going to be shown that the probability of being wrong is high I will change the scope of the discussion and strike out at the other poster.

As far as a division co championship in football being considered the same as a conference co championship in basketball well if you don't know that divisions and conferences are different than we will agree to disagree. The Big 12 lists the result as a division co championship and not a conference co championship so I will go with how they record it. I know, I know you will probably be skeptical of that but since it is their conference I will go with them on this one.

You must have given more money than we did.

And there you go again. Nobody is suggesting, has suggested, or is likely to suggest in the future that a division championship is the same as a league championship. That isn't what the rest of us have been discussing. You either aren't aware of the subject, or you have -- once again -- come up short trying to refute the point and are trying to shunt the discussion off onto a track where you will have a better chance. Especially since on this new track, nobody disagrees with you.