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You Clone fans have been trotting out this "schedule" crap for years now. Here's an idea....You know who is in your league. Get better or get out.
The irony is thick. Many hawk fans used to crow about the B12 North and how weak it was, and now the hawks are in the same type of setup with an even weaker group of teams. It looks to be doing wonders for ticket sales having MN, Purdue, Ill, and Mary as the home conference slate.
 
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"Can you name ANY college basketball program that charters planes to Hawaii?"
"Because they will hop a charter flight to Hawaii this morning the Arizona Wildcats will have a full two days at their beachfront hotel before their first game"

But you know what he thought he really meant to ask, you know when he doesn't capitalize ANY and that even though he asked a specific question and got a specific answer, well check that, Kansas was the first answer, so the proper answer was Arizona. But now it doesn't really count because LC says so and did you know how expensive it is? Spin away.
 
The irony is thick. Many hawk fans used to crow about the B12 North and how weak it was, and now the hawks are in the same type of setup with an even weaker group of teams. It looks to be doing wonders for ticket sales having MN, Purdue, Ill, and Mary as the home conference slate.


Attempting football smack on the basketball board... new low for you clonewithawhimper.

It was not just Iowa fans that knew how pathetically weak the old big xii north was. One writer even went so far to describe it as a 'pillow fight'. As for the Big Ten having a "weaker group of teams", enlighten me/us as to which of Illinois, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Purdue and/or Wisconsin you mistakenly believe that isu would have any sustained success against. (This has potential to be really good!)

Lastly, did I read that isu brought in all of 55,000 and change for its big xii home opener this past Saturday? Now that is impressive. How well attended will games be when TCU, Texas, Oklahoma State and 'rival' West Virginia come to town? Care to place a wager on which team (Iowa or isu) has higher attendance figures for the remaining home slate of games? And you wanted others to believe that isu had 'turned the corner'!

(Disclaimer: Since LC thinks himself to be the self-proclaimed expert on all things attendance related, the final determination must rest solely with him on all matters such as this!)

It just doesn't get any better.
 
I have read some about the amount of money different colleges spend on recruiting but the ranking you see is just for the schools that make that information public to all. The same goes for coaches salaries. Any ranking I have ever seen only a few coaches salaries are listed. That information is no doubt available to the NCAA but the times I have seen any comparison is on other web sites.

It's hard to believe that Johnny Orr came to Iowa State to get a much higher salary than he was being paid at Michigan. The year was 1980 and his salary new salary was $52,000 a year. I have heard Johnny say that on the Cyclone.TV channel but then I guess there are some folks who don't choose to believe what people say.


Please explain to me/us exactly how you know what "ranking (i) see" in reference to the exorbitant amounts of money spent by isu on men's basketball recruiting.

Allow me to assist you here. The report compared isu to over 200 other universities that play NCAA Division 1 basketball. Over the recent five-year period looked at, isu spent enough to be listed as eighth highest of all those teams studied. For the three state universities in Iowa, isu spent nearly twice as much as Iowa and over sixfold that of UNI.

You need to read more first and reply only after doing so. Otherwise, you look rather foolish.
 
"Can you name ANY college basketball program that charters planes to Hawaii?"
"Because they will hop a charter flight to Hawaii this morning the Arizona Wildcats will have a full two days at their beachfront hotel before their first game"

But you know what he thought he really meant to ask, you know when he doesn't capitalize ANY and that even though he asked a specific question and got a specific answer, well check that, Kansas was the first answer, so the proper answer was Arizona. But now it doesn't really count because LC says so and did you know how expensive it is? Spin away.
WTF are you trying to say, Mr. Serious Butt-Hurt?

I acknowledged that I got an answer. The first one was wrong. I am extremely skeptical about whether the second answer is correct in the context we are discussing.

You know, if you had simply stuck to the subject in that previous exchange, you wouldn't have embarrassed yourself to the point that you can't get over it. My advice would be to try avoid making the same mistake again.
 
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WTF are you trying to say, Mr. Serious Butt-Hurt?

I acknowledged that I got an answer. The first one was wrong. I am extremely skeptical about whether the second answer is correct in the context we are discussing.

You know, if you had simply stuck to the subject in that previous exchange, you wouldn't have embarrassed yourself to the point that you can't get over it. My advice would be to try avoid making the same mistake again.


The only embarrassment from the previous attendance 'exchange' came when one particular poster with over 80K posts went on record as stating both tickets sold AND actual attendees are utilized to report football attendance at isu. Do you recall that?
 
The irony is thick. Many hawk fans used to crow about the B12 North and how weak it was, and now the hawks are in the same type of setup with an even weaker group of teams. It looks to be doing wonders for ticket sales having MN, Purdue, Ill, and Mary as the home conference slate.

Please link for us all the stories detailing how the Big Ten West is a pillow fight. Please show us where a team can go 4-4 in the conference and still be the division champion. Until that is the case the Big Ten West is nothing like the Big 12 North.

Links?
 
The irony is thick. Many hawk fans used to crow about the B12 North and how weak it was, and now the hawks are in the same type of setup with an even weaker group of teams. It looks to be doing wonders for ticket sales having MN, Purdue, Ill, and Mary as the home conference slate.

Then how sad is it that ISU barely ever get to 4-4 and never won the B12 North and finished over .500 a whole 1 time. As for ticket sales they dropped more so due to last season and cost. However with new 9 game conf schedule it will change and won't do the 2 year parallel of swapping home/road games vs teams played in previous years. Iowa got caught with a 2 year weak schedule due to realignment of divisions plus addition of 2 teams to an 8 game schedule. Point and case look at Iowa's home schedule next year Wisconsin, Michigan, Northwestern and Nebraska.

So yes Iowa has 1 season of poor conference opponents compared to how many years in the 90s and 00s that ISU had. Also considering 2 out of 4 years they did not face OU, Texas in that span.

Iowa with ISU's schedule this year 4-0 and if ISU had Iowa's most likely 2-3.
 
So yes Iowa has 1 season of poor conference opponents compared to how many years in the 90s and 00s that ISU had. Also considering 2 out of 4 years they did not face OU, Texas in that span.



isu had poor conference opponents? Who knew?

Imagine how those opponents must feel/have felt when isu was the visiting team!
 
The irony is thick. Many hawk fans used to crow about the B12 North and how weak it was, and now the hawks are in the same type of setup with an even weaker group of teams. It looks to be doing wonders for ticket sales having MN, Purdue, Ill, and Mary as the home conference slate.
You're mistaking schedule, for apathy, coming into the season. Iowa fans are showing they were displeased with how the football team was being run. ISU fans will go just to look at new seats.
 
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WTF are you trying to say, Mr. Serious Butt-Hurt?

I acknowledged that I got an answer. The first one was wrong. I am extremely skeptical about whether the second answer is correct in the context we are discussing.

You know, if you had simply stuck to the subject in that previous exchange, you wouldn't have embarrassed yourself to the point that you can't get over it. My advice would be to try avoid making the same mistake again.

I am sorry, I missed where I brought another thread into this conversation. You asked for ANY team and you got one, but in spite of Arizona making a factual statement about their travel you still remain 'skeptical'. I am not sure why you are skeptical, you set the parameters, they were met. So be skeptical all you want. Was there a charter for the Arizona basketball team to Hawaii? Yes. If you want to qualify it after the fact because it didn't fit your expectations feel free. My advice is ask a better question next time.
 
When wrong clone fans just change the question or the parameter.

It is part of their little bro syndrome.
 
I am sorry, I missed where I brought another thread into this conversation. You asked for ANY team and you got one, but in spite of Arizona making a factual statement about their travel you still remain 'skeptical'. I am not sure why you are skeptical, you set the parameters, they were met. So be skeptical all you want. Was there a charter for the Arizona basketball team to Hawaii? Yes. If you want to qualify it after the fact because it didn't fit your expectations feel free. My advice is ask a better question next time.
Taking last things first, you have a point. I tend to give people too much credit. Of course, when I am very specific in an attempt to avoid this kind of thing, and later point out that I didn't say what I was claimed to have said, I am accused of nitpicking or backtracking. Life is hard. I wil try to do it now.

By chartering a plane to Hawaii, I meant chartering a plane to Hawaii the way Iowa or Iowa State would charter a plane to, for instance, Maryland or Oklahoma. You call up a charter carrier and say you need an airplane to take your team and coaches there and back.

I find it hard to believe Arizona does that for trips to Hawaii. The expense would just be ridiculous. Instead of a couple of King Airs or the equivalent, you'd need a 737. Moreover, the cost of chartering an airplane grows considerably when it isn't just a one-day trip because either the plane and its crew need to make two roundtrips, or the plane has to sit idle for several days AND the crew has to have accommodations and meals, etc. Not only does that involve costs for hangar space, but much more important, that's a period when the plane is out of service and can't earn anything for the owner.

I checked online for estimates, and for 24 people -- I'm figuring on the players, managers, coaches -- a roundtrip jet charter from Tucson to Hawaii would run from $200,000 to $500,000....and the site stipulates that if there is a layover -- which there would have been in this case -- the price increases considerably. The entire party could fly first class commercial for a fraction of that cost. A dedicated charter for the team only just makes no sense whatever.

I'm not calling the 'Zona guy a liar. Obviously, the team flew on a chartered jet to Hawaii. I just think that in light of the cost, it's highly likely there was some kind of package involved. I think we've all seen these advertised..."Fly with the Hawkeyes to Puerto Rico" or something like that. The fans get to rub elbows with the players and coaches, spend a few days at the site, watch the games, etc.
 
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Attempting football smack on the basketball board... new low for you clonewithawhimper.

It was not just Iowa fans that knew how pathetically weak the old big xii north was. One writer even went so far to describe it as a 'pillow fight'. As for the Big Ten having a "weaker group of teams", enlighten me/us as to which of Illinois, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Purdue and/or Wisconsin you mistakenly believe that isu would have any sustained success against. (This has potential to be really good!)

Lastly, did I read that isu brought in all of 55,000 and change for its big xii home opener this past Saturday? Now that is impressive. How well attended will games be when TCU, Texas, Oklahoma State and 'rival' West Virginia come to town? Care to place a wager on which team (Iowa or isu) has higher attendance figures for the remaining home slate of games? And you wanted others to believe that isu had 'turned the corner'!

(Disclaimer: Since LC thinks himself to be the self-proclaimed expert on all things attendance related, the final determination must rest solely with him on all matters such as this!)

It just doesn't get any better.
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Attempting football smack on the basketball board... new low for you clonewithawhimper.

It was not just Iowa fans that knew how pathetically weak the old big xii north was. One writer even went so far to describe it as a 'pillow fight'. As for the Big Ten having a "weaker group of teams", enlighten me/us as to which of Illinois, Minnesota, Nebraska, Northwestern, Purdue and/or Wisconsin you mistakenly believe that isu would have any sustained success against. (This has potential to be really good!)

Lastly, did I read that isu brought in all of 55,000 and change for its big xii home opener this past Saturday? Now that is impressive. How well attended will games be when TCU, Texas, Oklahoma State and 'rival' West Virginia come to town? Care to place a wager on which team (Iowa or isu) has higher attendance figures for the remaining home slate of games? And you wanted others to believe that isu had 'turned the corner'!

(Disclaimer: Since LC thinks himself to be the self-proclaimed expert on all things attendance related, the final determination must rest solely with him on all matters such as this!)

It just doesn't get any better.
The depth of your reading and comprehension skills is simply amazing! I am sure you can get some tutoring and then come back and attempt another response once you are able to follow a conversation through the thread.
 
Then how sad is it that ISU barely ever get to 4-4 and never won the B12 North and finished over .500 a whole 1 time. As for ticket sales they dropped more so due to last season and cost. However with new 9 game conf schedule it will change and won't do the 2 year parallel of swapping home/road games vs teams played in previous years. Iowa got caught with a 2 year weak schedule due to realignment of divisions plus addition of 2 teams to an 8 game schedule. Point and case look at Iowa's home schedule next year Wisconsin, Michigan, Northwestern and Nebraska.

So yes Iowa has 1 season of poor conference opponents compared to how many years in the 90s and 00s that ISU had. Also considering 2 out of 4 years they did not face OU, Texas in that span.

Iowa with ISU's schedule this year 4-0 and if ISU had Iowa's most likely 2-3.
Iowa State did win the Big 12 North once.
 
You are not familiar with the rules on HR. A tie for a title can only be called "winning a championship" if the Iowa basketball does it.
I'm not here to provoke a fight, but it's a full time job to keep setting the record straight.
 
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The depth of your reading and comprehension skills is simply amazing! I am sure you can get some tutoring and then come back and attempt another response once you are able to follow a conversation through the thread.


Hey, my bad. I was responding to a post YOU made at 12:02 a.m. this morning. In that very post, YOU made some very opinionated statements regarding relative strength/weakness of the big xii north(circa 1996-2010) and the Big Ten West which has now been in existence for exactly one full season and one full game. As usual, YOUR biased opinion was not based on data or fact, but rather came because YOU are obsessed with the University of Iowa thus explaining why YOU are here on HR so much.

What remains is that isu is still one of the very worst football programs in major college football (Power 5 Conference). To state that isu would perform any better by playing a schedule comprised of any other grouping of teams from another Power 5 league is asinine. There is absolutely nothing to support that claim.

The last remark from my original post pertained to attendance because YOU have been on here several times stating that isu has superior facilities, higher undergrad enrollment, more in-state students.... yet conference season rolls around and isu can only somehow manage to attract less than 56,000 to Jack Trice for the game against Kansas. Still remains to be seen, but Iowa is slated to open its home conference season this Saturday against Illinois and all indications point to there being significantly more than 56,000 coming to watch that game.

In brief, YOU are wrong about many things.
 
last century wasn't it?

Nah... what occurred in 1912 or whenever it was came when mighty isu was in the Missouri Valley League, I believe. And, if I am not mistaken, it was a situation where isu tied for the crown then (something they seem to be able to do every century or so!)
 
You are not familiar with the rules on HR. A tie for a title can only be called "winning a championship" if the Iowa basketball does it.

The rule is that clone fans will ask questions or make statements and then when proven wrong change the narrative. Eventually they get it right or they leave. Lone Clone however continues to fight the losing fight.
 
When you talk about what a horrible team Iowa State football is I would guess you are undercutting your own team since Iowa has lost to that horrible Iowa State team three of the last five years.
 
Win that game and stay at home for the bowl season or lose that game and go to a bowl.... Choices, choices..... Well at least in a defined time frame that looks good for your cause. Then if it doesn't look good change the time frame or question completely.
 
I'm not here to provoke a fight, but it's a full time job to keep setting the record straight.
cidhawkeye has a history of being a pretty rational, mature poster. He got unhinged a few weeks ago and isn't on track yet.
 
When you talk about what a horrible team Iowa State football is I would guess you are undercutting your own team since Iowa has lost to that horrible Iowa State team three of the last five years.

Why limit it to 5, 10 or 15 years? If isu wasn't horrible history would be on their side. Still wonder why isu is little bro? I have many, many more reasons if you still need convincing.
 
When you talk about what a horrible team Iowa State football is I would guess you are undercutting your own team since Iowa has lost to that horrible Iowa State team three of the last five years.


(Guess you got your answer regarding the dolllars isu has spent recruiting men's basketball players.... good to know!)

Let's meet somewhere in the middle - say the period of time Paul Rhoads has been the isu coach. Iowa leads 4-3 in games played since Rhoads came aboard prior to the 2009 season. But, that only tells a small part of the story. Iowa has won games 35-3, 35-7, 27-21 and 31-17. isu's three victories were by three points in a triple overtime game, another three pointer via a last second field goal and... you got it - yet a third game by the margin of three points. The comedy that occurs following some of these games from isu fans like yourself is guaranteed. 'It really was a close game even though isu lost by two touchdowns" is one of my favorites. The other might be how 'isu was still in the games' with Iowa and UNI in 2013 despite never having led at any time in either of those contest.

Iowa has gone on to win more games than were lost in five of those six seasons; isu has the 2009 campaign as the only year of winning football under PR. Iowa has finished a season rated nationally following a win in the Orange Bowl; isu has not been ranked even after the come from behind win by a single point in the Insight Bowl that same year. Hopefully, the picture is starting to clear for you.

Most rational people recognize the isu game for simply what it is - one game versus a non-conference opponent. I suggest it is time to now move on from September as isu has more critical issues to concern themselves with at this time.
 
cidhawkeye has a history of being a pretty rational, mature poster. He got unhinged a few weeks ago and isn't on track yet.

Just trying to figure out how I get looped into that post. As far as keeping the record straight I usually do a pretty good job of staying on task, staying consistent with questions, admitting when I am in error, not throwing a bunch of extraneous items at a subject when I have been mistaken, oh and using things like facts to support what I am talking about. I prefer to stay away from the 'my friend Mike told me something about something along time ago so it must be true. I realize that approach things in a factual way and keeping to the same narrative throughout a conversation is unique hear but it works for me. Oh and I try to answer questions when asked, especially if it is to support my opinion. Some of you should try these things.
 
Iowa State did win the Big 12 North once.

In every sports with divisions within a conference such as MLB, NBA, NFL or College football you have tie breakers in place if two teams tie you see team usually who won head to head or other pre determined guideline be declared the winner. I didn't see Alabama claim Division title after being 7-1 along with auburn after losing to them in 2013? But guess that's all ISU football has to cling onto so keep on touting that awesome 04' season with that impressive 4-4 record. How did the clones do in big 12 title game that year?

However we've seen the big 12 change its tune on "one true champion" in the past...
 
Just trying to figure out how I get looped into that post. As far as keeping the record straight I usually do a pretty good job of staying on task, staying consistent with questions, admitting when I am in error, not throwing a bunch of extraneous items at a subject when I have been mistaken, oh and using things like facts to support what I am talking about. I prefer to stay away from the 'my friend Mike told me something about something along time ago so it must be true. I realize that approach things in a factual way and keeping to the same narrative throughout a conversation is unique hear but it works for me. Oh and I try to answer questions when asked, especially if it is to support my opinion. Some of you should try these things.
Yeah, usually you do. But not always.
 
In every sports with divisions within a conference such as MLB, NBA, NFL or College football you have tie breakers in place if two teams tie you see team usually who won head to head or other pre determined guideline be declared the winner. I didn't see Alabama claim Division title after being 7-1 along with auburn after losing to them in 2013? But guess that's all ISU football has to cling onto so keep on touting that awesome 04' season with that impressive 4-4 record. How did the clones do in big 12 title game that year?

However we've seen the big 12 change its tune on "one true champion" in the past...
The fans here claimed Iowa has won a Big Ten basketball championship since 1970. I have no problem either way, but you have to be consistent.

In the case of the ISU division title, the Cyclones and Buffaloes were co-champions of the North Division. Period. The Buffs played in the league title game because they had beaten ISU. But the tiebreaker was to determine who would play in that game, not who the division champion was.

Again, it's semantics. But you need to be consistent.

The Big XII didn't really change its tune on "one true champion." It just embarrassed itself.
 
The fans here claimed Iowa has won a Big Ten basketball championship since 1970. I have no problem either way, but you have to be consistent.

In the case of the ISU division title, the Cyclones and Buffaloes were co-champions of the North Division. Period. The Buffs played in the league title game because they had beaten ISU. But the tiebreaker was to determine who would play in that game, not who the division champion was.

Again, it's semantics. But you need to be consistent.

The Big XII didn't really change its tune on "one true champion." It just embarrassed itself.

isu hasn't won a football conference championship since 1912 and is the only school to have gone that long.
 
The fans here claimed Iowa has won a Big Ten basketball championship since 1970. I have no problem either way, but you have to be consistent.

In the case of the ISU division title, the Cyclones and Buffaloes were co-champions of the North Division. Period. The Buffs played in the league title game because they had beaten ISU. But the tiebreaker was to determine who would play in that game, not who the division champion was.

Again, it's semantics. But you need to be consistent.

The Big XII didn't really change its tune on "one true champion." It just embarrassed itself.


As I made a point to divisions. Conferences in college sports such as basketball is different. Or even football minus all the divisions within conferences. Why Kansas has technically won so many. There is a difference. Not uncommon over past to see co conference champs but honestly how many times have you seen co division champs? Also it's not like people are constantly on here bragging about iowas 1970 bball conf champion team. But hey 2004 4-4 ISU team one of top accomplishments in last 50 yrs so see why clinging on to division champ argument.
 
As I made a point to divisions. Conferences in college sports such as basketball is different. Or even football minus all the divisions within conferences. Why Kansas has technically won so many. There is a difference. Not uncommon over past to see co conference champs but honestly how many times have you seen co division champs? Also it's not like people are constantly on here bragging about iowas 1970 bball conf champion team. But hey 2004 4-4 ISU team one of top accomplishments in last 50 yrs so see why clinging on to division champ argument.
You're trying to make a distinction where none exists. And I don't think any more ISU fans are bragging about the 2004 football team than Iowa fans are bragging about the 1980 (not 1970) basketball team. In fact, just about the only time any ISU fan mentions the 2004 football team is to complain about it. That season had a lot to do with Mac losing his job two years later.
 
You're trying to make a distinction where none exists. And I don't think any more ISU fans are bragging about the 2004 football team than Iowa fans are bragging about the 1980 (not 1970) basketball team. In fact, just about the only time any ISU fan mentions the 2004 football team is to complain about it. That season had a lot to do with Mac losing his job two years later.

Maybe if you'd spend times on ISU boards instead of Iowa you may see a difference. And most Iowa fans brag about the 1980 team cause of the final 4.
 
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Maybe if you'd spend times on ISU boards instead of Iowa you may see a difference. And most Iowa fans brag about the 1980 team cause of the final 4.

Yeah, I think Lone Clone meant the 1979 team which were Co-Champions in the Big Ten.
 
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