Serious question....do you think isu's athletic programs are better than Iowans currently? And historically? If so can you back that up with some non opinionated and 100% objective answers why you think that
Did Jamie Pollard run Fred Hoiberg out of town?
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I hear Hines on the radio weekly, if not several times a week, he is a homer. He may not be a pollard homer though. He and Williams are very good friends, cw was very torn on the radio the other night as he knows Hines wouldn't just make the story up. Who knows what the truth is, probably lies somewhere in between.
There is a good way to come onto this site and banter/discuss the Iowa-ISU rivalry, and then there is the way you are doing it.
I have read some about the amount of money different colleges spend on recruiting but the ranking you see is just for the schools that make that information public to all. The same goes for coaches salaries. Any ranking I have ever seen only a few coaches salaries are listed. That information is no doubt available to the NCAA but the times I have seen any comparison is on other web sites.
It's hard to believe that Johnny Orr came to Iowa State to get a much higher salary than he was being paid at Michigan. The year was 1980 and his salary new salary was $52,000 a year. I have heard Johnny say that on the Cyclone.TV channel but then I guess there are some folks who don't choose to believe what people say.
I don't believe I have ever done anything to disparage your coach and players but this is my thought. You probably won't have any trouble keeping McCaffrey for your coach because he hasn't done anything to be in demand by any other teams. It's rather entertaining to hear most of you talk about how terrible the ISU basketball and football teams are yet you have only beat ISU in basketball one of five times in since McCaffrey. I think all Cyclone fans would agree ISU has a very sub par football program only winning 2 games last year but they beat Iowa and still have a winning record during the full reign of Ferentz even though ISU was so bad at least one football coach was fired during that time.
This is not true. One of Miller's issues after being at AZ for his first year was all the commercial travel they had to do. It was only after additional TV money was added to the AD finances in 2011 (Miller's 3rd season) that charter flights became somewhat common. And even then they were allowed just 12 charter legs per season.
http://tucson.com/sports/basketball...cle_56ae1f37-4572-55de-a553-133c81d1dfa1.html
This is intended to be a respectful response. See part in bold? Answer: you just did. Please notice the nuanced change in method between comparisons in basketball and football. You chose the five years when Hoiberg competed against McCaffery. But then in football you switch to the length of time Ferentz has been coach. If you think about that, you have (no doubt just used to doing it.) chosen the two timeframes that put the "best" light on your Clones and thus by contrast the worst way to look at it as a Hawkeye fan.
That is disparaging.
We could refer to the overall history between the two schools. The last decade. The last year? If your method had been consistent I'd have no legit gripe. But it wasn't.
Thanks, it's good to get a ruling so quickly so we can get on to the next serve and volley. I was concerned though when I failed to mention that in one case (Basketball) the actual numbers were presented. One in five. In the other (Football) the math wasn't given. Likely because 8-9 (I think...I don't follow Football to be honest) doesn't sound so impressive.
Just another difference I'd noticed.
When ISU accomplishes what Iowa has in football, come back and talk. As of now, you're not even close.
The crazy thing is, 1-4 against ISU in basketball is a lot more understandable than 8-9 against them in football is.
It's not hard to argue that ISU has had the better team in 4 of the last 5 seasons, but no way in hell could you argue that their FB team was better in 9 of the last 17.
there is no doubt that Iowa FB has lost some games against ISU ... they had no business doing so.....2014 in Kinnick is one example...I don't know what Kirk says before the games against ISU ... but it doesn't always work as to getting the juices going. Give ISU credit they have come to play everytime regardless....
as far as basketball... McCaffery hasn't done anything to be in demand ....McCaffery has a gig.... the head coach at a B1G school. I believe the IOWA job is his last destination....besides Jack has a long way to go before he is a Hawkeye. I have this feeling McCaffery is not looking to be in demand..
ISU under Hoiberg had more success then Iowa during the same time frame...Fred chose a little different recruiting route and it worked. I believe it was always Fred's ambition to get into the NBA as a head coach ... coaching at ISU was not his final destination....some ISU fans to this day have a hard time accepting that. Lets see what kind of demand Prohm will have compared to Hoiberg.
Fran chose a different recruiting route then Hoiberg ... everybody knows just how bad the previous guy left the state of Iowa BB...based on the last 2 recruiting classes.....a lot of Hawkeye fans like the direction of the Iowa BB...it also might be noted...Iowa is in position to reward Fran salary wise.
yep ISU has won 4 of the last 5...Fran knows it.
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So to confirm, Arizona charterd from Hawaii. Doesn't matter when, who else was on the charter, the question was asked, the answer was given. No discussion needed.
And I4, saying you are the same as 100 may be the most disparaging think I have ever typed. Indicates how poor your efforts are.
And I4, saying you are the same as 100 may be the most disparaging think I have ever typed. Indicates how poor your efforts are.
Iowa should come off with a very good bowl game this year with the soft schedule they have to play. It's to bad schedules aren't at least a little more comparable. I wonder how Iowa would fair with Iowa State's football schedule. This is the comparison between Iowa and ISU football schedules against ranked teams. It includes all teams listed in the AP including Iowa is getting votes, good for Iowa. Even lowly ISU might make a bowl game if they had this years Iowa FB schedule. We'll see how the basketball teams schedules compare when the official preseason AP schedule comes out.
Iowa FB schedule against currently ranked teams
#16 at NW
#19 at Wisconsin
#40 Minnesota
but they don't have to play #1 Ohio State-#2 Michigan State#22 Michigan
ISU FB schedule against currently ranked teams
#4 TCU
#5 Baylor
#15 Oklahoma
#20 Oklahoma State
#23 West Virginia
#26 Toledo
#30 Iowa
#31 Texas Tech
#36 Kansas State
Iowa FB schedule against currently ranked teams
#16 at NW
#19 at Wisconsin
#40 Minnesota
but they don't have to play #1 Ohio State-#2 Michigan State#22 Michigan
ISU FB schedule against currently ranked teams
#4 TCU
#5 Baylor
#15 Oklahoma
#20 Oklahoma State
#23 West Virginia
#26 Toledo
#30 Iowa
#31 Texas Tech
#36 Kansas State
Have you looked at previous season schedules?... you are doing nothing but looking for stuff to make a point about football on the basketball forum...but carry on...you've lost on all accounts. Wonder how ISU would have done against Wisc today
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Football was brough into this conversation. If you don't like it don't read it. I have looked at previous season schedules and Iowa has a soft schedule at least every other year in both football and basketball.
I think part of it is because like the Cubs in the National league when you have multiple divisions, some divisions year in and year out have better teams in one division. For example the division the Cubs are in they have the three teams with the best records of all the 30 teams yet they only get a wild card even though as third in their division they have a better record than the top team in the other five divisions.
Your not seriously questioning the context of me saying "When CSM came to Arizona"? Because the temporal aspect of my statements are semantics. It is a fact that he asked for all of the things I mentioned and the school never blinked, he was assured it would happen. And it did.
Miller asked for the charters from the very beginning, it matters little that approval from the regents didn't happen for a few years.. And not every request ( higher asst. salaries) until his extension.
Soooo, when his extension was done, the things I mentioned were worked in after approval from the AZBOR. So your article time period was a 12 flight bandaid added to charters that already existed (post season, booster flights, NCAA funded). So big deal, even that year was much more than the thread subject matter.
LOL....Kyle Fogg was still on the team.......seriously man.
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By the way that article is misleading about finances. Arizona basketball hasnt struggled with revenue in the modern era. The T.V. money from the PAC12 network was not needed for this expense as the program is one of the most valuable in the nation and flush with revenue.
The T. V. money has helped with other sports for sure. The 2009 poor travel arrangements were typical of the previous AD's management style and only reinforce my point about how things are run TODAY.
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Hey now, the Cubs and Pirates are looking legit as organizations ....things have changed. It's freaking obvious. I know, most Cardinals fans will stay in denial and believe their grasp on the central is safe.
You Clone fans have been trotting out this "schedule" crap for years now. Here's an idea....You know who is in your league. Get better or get out.
Clone fans don't want to look at Sagarin today. Not only will they see Iowa ranked above isu but Iowa has a tougher schedule.
http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm
http://sagarin.com/sports/cfsend.htm
That strength of schedule number is an absolute joke and you know it. Sagarin probably gave Iowa credit for playing the top two teams in the Big 10 of which they play neither one. OTOH I'm surprised that ISU is rated that high, make you feel better? Cheers
I get it, SOS is only valid when it is favorable. Get ready for the dreaded 100 garbage to flow.
I thought it was $50,000. But it might have been $52,000. I know that there was a semi-meltdown among Hawkeye fans because it was more than Lute Olson was making at Iowa, and he'd just gone to the Final Four.
Times change.
Yes, I asked for the name of a school that charters planes to Hawaii for its basketball team, and I got an answer.
But of course it matters what kind of charter it was. Good grief. Can you not grasp the financial difference between chartering an airliner to take the basketball team to Hawaii, which would be paid out of the MBB budget, and having a vacation trip package for fans and the team, which would be paid for by the fans who participate?
Maybe Arizona actually does charter a plane to take the team to Hawaii. If so, that's incredibly wasteful. Do you have any idea how much that would cost? I'm serious about that. My guess is that if you got it for a quarter of a million bucks, you'd be getting a pretty good deal.
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Ask the OP....although I have no idea how the hell the football strength of schedule got here.
No, SOS is based on who Iowa actually plays. Right now Iowa has a tougher schedule with a better record.
I'm the OP. This started out as a basketball thread (albeit an ISU one) but the usual suspects changed it into a pissing match between ISU and Iowa. BAU.
That does tend to happen here, doesn't it? I think, though, that diverging from the relationship between the athletics director and former basketball coach to the strength of the football schedule may be some kind of HR record.
The only run isu gets right now is when the Ames Tribune drums it up for them. That is as little bro as anyone can get.
Carry on I4.
I am sorry did I miss the 'exclusively for the basketball team' part of your question? No I didn't. Phrase your question a little differently next time if you want a different answer. You asked, he answered. I don't really care if it was $3 million, it was a charter plane. Please feel free to go on some rant explaining yourself again.
Lone Clone is great at asking questions and making statements but not so good when being OWNED.
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