Did Ohio State throw the Michigan game?

[MeetTheFerentzes]

Obviously tongue in cheek, bu consider:

For game #13, Oregon has to travel across the country for a dogfight with Penn State, while OSU gets an extra home game and a layup.

What I’m really saying is that there are a lot of problems with the expanded playoffs, especially when considering CCG’s.

 

[QChawks]

 

[MeetTheFerentzes]

Look up the definition of tongue in cheek. Then explain why the two teams who lost their CCG’s arguable had an easier road to the national semifinals than their respective champions.

 

[littlez]

Obviously tongue in cheek, bu consider:

For game #13, Oregon has to travel across the country for a dogfight with Penn State, while OSU gets an extra home game and a layup.

What I’m really saying is that there are a lot of problems with the expanded playoffs, especially when considering CCG’s.

So you consider the extra home game an advantage vs Oregon getting the time off and resting? I think as evidenced by the Michigan D line yesterday that loss was no fluke. Michigan D line dominated Ohio St o line all day long. But I also think Day got out coached in that game.

 

[MeetTheFerentzes]

So you consider the extra home game an advantage vs Oregon getting the time off and resting? I think as evidenced by the Michigan D line yesterday that loss was no fluke. Michigan D line dominated Ohio St o line all day long. But I also think Day got out coached in that game.

No one knows for sure, and obviously every situation would be different every year. What I do know is that Penn State cruised to the semi finals against overmatched opponents, and Oregon is not going to get there, and while Texas squeaked by, Georgia will have a much tougher opponent tomorrow. Like I originally said, the current structure of this 12 team CFP needs to be fixed. I personally think it needs to just be changed to 8 teams, but I don’t get a say and I seriously doubt that will ever happen.

 

[MikeyHawk]

Michigan has a great defense and it is a rivalry game. Terrible game plan by Ohio State, not aggressive enough

 

[littlez]

No one knows for sure, and obviously every situation would be different every year. What I do know is that Penn State cruised to the semi finals against overmatched opponents, and Oregon is not going to get there, and while Texas squeaked by, Georgia will have a much tougher opponent tomorrow. Like I originally said, the current structure of this 12 team CFP needs to be fixed. I personally think it needs to just be changed to 8 teams, but I don’t get a say and I seriously doubt that will ever happen.

Couldn’t disagree more. The FCS schools have been doing it forever. Drop the conference championship games (absolutely no reason for them anymore) and start the playoffs earlier.

 

[MeetTheFerentzes]

Couldn’t disagree more. The FCS schools have been doing it forever. Drop the conference championship games (absolutely no reason for them anymore) and start the playoffs earlier.

We’re not that much different. You’re an expansionist proponent and I’m not. We can agree to disagree on that. Since we do have this playoff that will probably continue to be expanded, I think we probably agree that getting rid of conference championship games and automatic byes/high seeds would help make the postseason more of a level playing field. That was really my underlying point.

 

[HawK + i]

Oregon and Ohio State were probably the two best teams this year and should not have been on the same side of the bracket.

 

[Hawky42]

I highly doubt it. Like 100% doubt.
And if Ohio State had Mizzous kicker and Howard doesn't make crucial mistakes they beat Michigan. And Michigan prepares for Ohio State 364 days a year, even illegally.

 

[ToddStrong]

Yeah Georgia and Oregon got hosed. Penn State hasn't faced a P4 roster yet. SMU is one year removed from AAC membership. Texas got a three loss Clemson and a two loss Big 12 champion coming off three wins last year.

Oregon got Ohio State, even if they had gotten Tennessee that would've been tougher than what Texas or Penn State got. Georgia got Notre Dame btw, a much tougher opponent than Clemson or Arizona State.

The teams weren't the problem, the seeding needs to be fixed like they do in the NFL.

 

[93hawkeye]

I don't like the seeding, either, but I will point out: the whole point of the playoff is to determine the best team. That means it doesn't matter in which round you loose. Loosing in any round means you're not the best.
Seeding becomes much more important in a tournament like NCAA wrestling, where places 2 through 8 are awarded, and the consolation bracket matchups are built on which round(s) a wrestler loses.

 

[SolarHawk]

How did Oregon get hosed exactly? They got a week off. They got an opponent they had already defeated. Ohio state was the better team yesterday. That’s football lol.

 

[BonzoFury]

Biggest flaw in that theory is Ohio St could not have predicted the seedings. Everything would have shifted had Miami beaten Clemson or Boise St lost or 'Bama had gotten in over SMU. But tOSU v Oregon should not have happened this early in the matchups, no doubt.

Note that nobody was saying this before yesterday's game.

 

[fezzador]

Of course Ohio State wanted to beat Michigan. They simply relied on “good old rock” in Rock Paper Scissors. Michigan fully expected Rock and prepared accordingly.

 

[ellobo]

Of course Ohio State wanted to beat Michigan. They simply relied on “good old rock” in Rock Paper Scissors. Michigan fully expected Rock and prepared accordingly.

By responding with boulder

 

[Hawk_4shur]

The automatic byes messed this up. If not for those, OSU would have been a 6 seed instead of an 8, and they would have played the 3 seed yesterday - probably Texas.

The format is fine. Get rid of the auto-byes and it can work.

 

[squeezebox]

Michigan would have been a top 5 team this year if they had an actual QB. They need to reseed after the first round as well.

 

[BonzoFury]

The automatic byes messed this up. If not for those, OSU would have been a 6 seed instead of an 8, and they would have played the 3 seed yesterday - probably Texas.

The format is fine. Get rid of the auto-byes and it can work.

Funny thing about the bye. Two days ago people said it was an advantage. Today many are saying it put Oregon at a disadvantage because tOSU was sharper having played more recently.

Just go 16 teams, no byes and seed 'em by strength.

 

[fezzador]

Michigan would have been a top 5 team this year if they had an actual QB. They need to reseed after the first round as well.

If B. Underwood is what he's cracked up to be, that won't be a problem next season.

 

[fezzador]

Funny thing about the bye. Two days ago people said it was an advantage. Today many are saying it put Oregon at a disadvantage because tOSU was sharper having played more recently.

Just go 16 teams, no byes and seed 'em by strength.

Very good chance the top 4 conference champs go oh-fer, unless UGA goes into beast mode without Beck.

 

[BonzoFury]

Michigan would have been a top 5 team this year if they had an actual QB. They need to reseed after the first round as well.

I don't get the "re-seed" thing. If an 8 upsets a 1 (for example) they deserve any advantage they get (playing a 4-5 vs the 2). They earned it by beating the 1 seed.

 

[squeezebox]

I don't get the "re-seed" thing. If an 8 upsets a 1 (for example) they deserve any advantage they get (playing a 4-5 vs the 2). They earned it by beating the 1 seed.

The NFL does it, it's pretty simple. However, I do fully agree with you that they should go to 16 and get rid of the byes. I would probably get rid of the conference championships if this is the route to go.

 

[squeezebox]

If B. Underwood is what he's cracked up to be, that won't be a problem next season.

True freshman is a tough situation, even Nico Iamaleava/Raiola had some growing pains. Unlike Debbie, Michigan will put a solid OL in front of him though.

 

[BonzoFury]

The NFL does it, it's pretty simple. However, I do fully agree with you that they should go to 16 and get rid of the byes. I would probably get rid of the conference championships if this is the route to go.

They also give division winners a seeding advantage which most in this thread seem to think is a bad idea (like this year's college seeds). Minnesota or Detroit will end up a 5 seed despite having the 2nd or 3rd best record. So the re-seed is a compensation for that. If you seed by strength from round 1... just let it play out.

 

[littlez]

True freshman is a tough situation, even Nico Iamaleava/Raiola had some growing pains. Unlike Debbie, Michigan will put a solid OL in front of him though.

Michigan is never just going to toss it all over the field anyway. They're still going to mostly pound the ball and go lots of play action, similar to what Harbaugh did. So that will make the adjustment a lot easier. Raiola was tossed out there and was throwing the ball all over the field from game 1. But that's also because he was in a much shittier situation!

 

[fezzador]

True freshman is a tough situation, even Nico Iamaleava/Raiola had some growing pains. Unlike Debbie, Michigan will put a solid OL in front of him though.

True, but Underwood's been drawing comparisons to Vince Young, so he might not get much of a grace period (fair or not).

 

[squeezebox]

True, but Underwood's been drawing comparisons to Vince Young, so he might not get much of a grace period (fair or not).

They nabbed Mikey Keene out of the portal as well. He has thrown nearly 3k yards in both of his seasons for Fresno. I am sure Underwood will play this year, but Keene is more than solid.

 

[uihawk82]

Obviously tongue in cheek, bu consider:

For game #13, Oregon has to travel across the country for a dogfight with Penn State, while OSU gets an extra home game and a layup.

What I’m really saying is that there are a lot of problems with the expanded playoffs, especially when considering CCG’s.

I think it is pretty hard to trot out your FG kicker and tell him to just barely miss 2 or 3 fgs in a game.

Ohio St for some reason played in a box or small rectangle on offense against Mich and Howard threw 2 bad picks along with the missed FGs that is how you get upset.

 

[ellobo]

Fwiw...most reasonable Umich people understand that Underwood will be a true frosh and while we expect him to to be a flat out stud...we don't expect that to happen until 2026...

We know we need a one year rental as a bridge. For many, getting Keene wasn't exactly a moment of jubilation... don't count me amongst those. Whomever we got would have to be comfortable with us grooming Underwood for 26 including sharing snaps. But compared to what we had this past year Keene is an incredible upgrade...well I have to hope it is because our QB situation was a flat out disaster this past year...as some of you might recall...I thought it would be last off season...but when it is actually realized it sucks...made me understand what it must be like to be an Iowa fan the past few years ...if only we had a serviceable QB things would be so different...

 

[rrdd2021]

Michigan has a great defense and it is a rivalry game. Terrible game plan by Ohio State, not aggressive enough

This. If you go back and look at all of the great Alabama - Saban teams, the one game they always had problems with was Auburn - their rival. They even lost a few of those games

 

[bourbon n blues]

No one knows for sure, and obviously every situation would be different every year. What I do know is that Penn State cruised to the semi finals against overmatched opponents, and Oregon is not going to get there, and while Texas squeaked by, Georgia will have a much tougher opponent tomorrow. Like I originally said, the current structure of this 12 team CFP needs to be fixed. I personally think it needs to just be changed to 8 teams, but I don’t get a say and I seriously doubt that will ever happen.

Well stated, as soon as i saw PSU's draw I chuckled, I was at the SMU playoff game and that was never in doubt and Boise State played at as i thought it would. PSU IMO was going to win going away or just roll over them if they didn't make an early mistakes, like fumbling the ball back to BS. And as for Georgia or ND? I would rather they play Georgia. The SEC shills seem to think Georgia is all that yet, but they played a close one against GT and Texas. Both are beatable IMO.

OSU? Who knows yet but they do have two more games just like the other four potential finalists.

 

[fezzador]

They nabbed Mikey Keene out of the portal as well. He has thrown nearly 3k yards in both of his seasons for Fresno. I am sure Underwood will play this year, but Keene is more than solid.

Until they flipped Underwood, I was surprised to learn that Michigan had just one five-star recruit on its roster (but had north of 40 four-stars, so they certainly have plenty of talent).

In many ways, until recently, Michigan was basically Iowa with better resources. Now, they appear to be real, live players in the NIL era. It's no longer Ohio State and the Eleven (seventeen?) Dwarves.

 

[Herky T Hawk]

If OSU runs the table and wins it all, do you think Michigan fans will ever let them hear the end of it? "You could win a national title, but you still couldn't beat Michigan."

No, OSU didn't intentionally tank that game.

 

[littlez]

If OSU runs the table and wins it all, do you think Michigan fans will ever let them hear the end of it? "You could win a national title, but you still couldn't beat Michigan."

No, OSU didn't intentionally tank that game.

And if that happens I don't think OSU fans will care about that Michigan loss. At this point it looks like it was the best thing that ever happened to them. Day ( or the coordinator) or both finally pulled their heads out of their asses and realized they had the best receiver in the country and maybe they should use all their weapons?

 

[Fan In Black]

Couldn’t disagree more. The FCS schools have been doing it forever. Drop the conference championship games (absolutely no reason for them anymore) and start the playoffs earlier.

there's million$ of reasons for them. ask the conference commissioners. I don't like the games either, but nobody is paying the FCS schools to host or broadcast their conference championship games.

The only way they go away is if each conference can make as much from playoff money.

 

[soybean]

If B. Underwood is what he's cracked up to be, that won't be a problem next season.

There is something very fishy about it not being 16 teams...I smell the SEC at work here.

 

[ToddStrong]

How did Oregon get hosed exactly? They got a week off. They got an opponent they had already defeated. Ohio state was the better team yesterday. That’s football lol.

You saw the roster Boise has right? You've seen SMU, Clemson and Arizona State? How about Notre Dame?

Imagine Kansas City getting Buffalo in round two while Baltimore gets Denver. Which matchup is tougher? Oregon got an angry Ohio State filled with first round guys. Penn State hasn't faced an opponent with more than one NFL guy. Heck Tennessee would've been tougher than SMU or Boise.

 

[Grumpy Old Hawk]

Couldn’t disagree more. The FCS schools have been doing it forever. Drop the conference championship games (absolutely no reason for them anymore) and start the playoffs earlier.

The number one reason for these games is money and if players want to be paid then they need to play the games that create money.