Is anyone surprised that OP is a race-baiter? This take might actually be worse than his Sam Laporta take. Wasn't sure a person could get it any more wrong than that.
Does Kirk Have An Issue With Black Coaches?
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I've been waiting for this game for a long time. I wonder how they will rate the O.
Why in your rant didn’t you actually talk about the coaches of color KF has hired?
I find it completely ignorant to rant about KF having a “blind spot” to coaches of color and trim around and refuse to acknowledge how many coaches of color KF has hired.
But you do you.
which culver's location or is it the head office. I wanna go by and order, have him serve me in the drive thru
I've seen first hand how KF interacts with players and coaches of all colors and to say he's racist makes the OP look like a clown.
Was it Lestikow or Doctherman that did the deep dive on the roster turnover at WR? It's been bad for awhile, but while Copeland was WR coach, only 5 who came to the program as freshmen actually graduated at Iowa.
Position coaches will move around from time to time yes. A bit unusual to see an coordinator also coach a position that he's neither coached at nor played before.
Making BF the OC/QB coach was a gamble that blew up in Kirk's face. Frankly, they should have hired a new QB coach and kept BF as the OC/OL coach.
And yes, he's making a similar gamble with Budmayr at WR coach, but that's a little more defensible with the overlap/work you have to do as a QB/QB coach and the WR position. Fingers-crossed.
I wasn't aware of the numbers but that is really bad. My question that we will never have answered is did they leave because they didn't feel they were being developed, because the wr position wasn't valued in the offense, a combo, or something else?
If I'm a wr from outside the state and I saw how the guys in front of me were utilized, I'd leave regardless of coach. You would think they would know scheme coming in but for years we have heard how the offense would look different.
I've seen a lot of ignorant responses to the OP from small town Iowans who have never even met a black person, but I've yet to see anyone attempt to respond to its simple premise. If Kirk is an equal opportunity boss, please provide a plausible explanation for:
-Firing of Copeland but raises for Budmayr & Barnett.
-Promoting Seth Wallace over and over again while keeping Woods exactly where he's been.
-Promoting Brian Ferentz over and over again while keeping every black coach exactly where they've been.
-Promoting Budmayr to WR coach over dozens of more qualified candidates who would have jumped at the offer.
-Kirk never having a black coordinator in 26 years at Iowa.
-Kirk having 1 black QB in 26 years at Iowa.
-The University paid $4,000,000 in settling a racial discrimination lawsuit under Kirk.
To the hicks...if you don't at least question things that clearly don't add up, maybe message boards aren't for you.
-Firing of Copeland but raises for Budmayr & Barnett.
-Promoting Seth Wallace over and over again while keeping Woods exactly where he's been.
-Promoting Brian Ferentz over and over again while keeping every black coach exactly where they've been.
-Promoting Budmayr to WR coach over dozens of more qualified candidates who would have jumped at the offer.
-Kirk never having a black coordinator in 26 years at Iowa.
-Kirk having 1 black QB in 26 years at Iowa.
-The University paid $4,000,000 in settling a racial discrimination lawsuit under Kirk.
To the hicks...if you don't at least question things that clearly don't add up, maybe message boards aren't for you.
Edge much? Why do you need validation since you think you have it all figured out? You have folks on here vouching for the man at the expense of their good screen name. You got this, stud.
He’s never once said anything positive about Kirk…ever.
There are 4 coordinators at Iowa. Offensive Coordinator, Defensive Coordinator, Special Teams Coordinator, and Strength and Conditioning Coordinator. Two of them are black and two of them are white.
There are 7 positional coaches (LB, DL, Asst DL, OL, RB, WR, TE). Three of them are black and four of them are white.
I do agree that the optics of releasing a black positional coach and replacing him with a white coach don't look so great. But it's not this great whitewashing like you're making it out to be.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism by an individual, community, or institution against a person or people on the basis of their membership in a particular racial or ethnic group, typically one that is a minority or marginalized.
Where one is coming from and how they define it is key. In this discussion then, does KF marginalize players at certain positions and coaches at certain levels?
If one's definition is that KF is equal to KKK, then the answer would be decidedly no.
Being marginalized, a case could be made for at least discussion.
Did KF have staff that could be considered racist? Depends on the definition. Mild marginalization could be no room for expression of cultures such as beads, braids, and long neck chains as an example by being pressured even if tacit to conform. Different punishments for different races may raise the level. Some of the comments leaked out could indicate KF's tolerance for coaches having freedoms to some extent to pressure and/or say things that are meant to diminish.
Every program has their tolerance levels. MSU fans excuse the BB coach. PSU fans excuse Paterno as to not knowing or not doing it himself. Whether or not we have gone to far the other way depends in part on who is being accused and who the accuser is and how that fits our narrative.
On the other board, there was massive support for what the police did to Faith E. Certainly police discrimination in that situation. Discrimination is a form of racism. Was it KKK level, certainly not. Those cops had their hands on their guns. Would have been very intimidating for Faith.
I didn't read your long ass post bro, you lost me when it looks like you plagiarized YOUR definition.
You do leave out that the 2 MAIN coordinators are both white and there were opportunities to bring in a Black OC. Not of this along signals anything. The STC definitely was raised in middle class Iowa culture. You also have to look at how he was treated in terms of pay increases. I admit to not knowing the salary structure for the positional coaches.
You still have to explain no black QBs since Banks, is arguably the best QB ever at Iowa. Others would point to why didn't KF figure out a way to put Hock and Fant on the field at the same time. People will disagree on the meaning but I would guess that Blacks and White would have different opinions on what the meaning was.
A former Soviet officer once reminded me, History Belongs to the Victor. Put another way, Iowa's dominant race gets to define the definition.
If nothing else - Kirk has ALWAYS treated the Strength & Conditioning as equal to that of Offense or Defense (ST Coordinator is relatively new). And he's always placed a premium on excellent ST play.
Denigrating either of them because you don't perceive them as equal to the "Main" coordinators is an incorrect and insulting statement to them frankly.
And yes, we've had other black quarterbacks - not many true, but also an inaccurate statement to say Banks was 1 of 1. Fant and Hock did often play together; 12 personnel was our most common package while they were here.
Per Fant...no. Banks was the only starter. Can't sugar coat it to your narrative. You are white. History belongs to the victor. Blacks likely won't see your white point of view. Fant Didn't start much.
QB play has been horrendous. When Iowa has had decent QBs, the offense has been decent. Banks, Tate, Stanzi and Beathard. When QB play is poor, Iowa offense is poor. O-line plays a huge part too.
Jimmys and the Joes are #1. Coaching a distant second for the offensive problems.
You have no idea what coaching offers have been made to Lavar Woods. You have no idea if he has turned down offers or if he is comfortable doing what he is doing. You also have no idea the relationship that Lavar Woods has with Coach Ferentz. I personally know what that relationship is and what Lavar thinks of Coach Ferentz. If you made the racist comment about Ferentz to Lavar Woods in person, he just may punch your lily white, Liberal ass.
One thing I do know for sure is that most Law firms are 99.9% white. What the hell is going on with that?
I went to my son's Law School Graduation a few years ago. One Black graduate in a class of 125. Racist pigs, those Law School Profs.
Finally, what big city do you reside in that makes you so much smarter than the rest of us? You may be a Lawyer, which I highly doubt, but if you are, it's pretty much a certainty that plugging in an appliance would be a head scratcher for you and changing a tire would be an impossibility.
How many of the "8-10" head coaches from the "Fry Tree" were Black? Why use 8-10? Too damn lazy to garner facts? You are an embarrassment to pretend Lawyers everywhere.
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Would he be the head of S&C if the accusations of racism and bullying had any merit? Do you think he would have stuck around all these years? The University of Iowa didn’t “lose” a damn thing. They folded to woke pressure. Sad to see, but not surprising.
He’s a troll. Nothing more, nothing less.
So happy to have ignored him. My life is better without his stupid posts. I am curious why the heading of his post shows in my feed but yet all of his content is blocked.
Enjoy the idiot that is Iowa Law.
Enjoy the idiot that is Iowa Law.
Bryce, stop trolling the message board.
Besides, everyone that knows you, knows your stance on black people in real life...........gg.
And don't call ne Jesus. I an very sorry your parents didn't teach you critical thinking and discourse.
When I said no more speaking lines, I meant put the computer/phone away and take a nap. Eat some jello and watch reruns of The Price is Right. You're too old to be posting on social media, especially at this hour.
that is a very good question on this subject. Modern churches for the most part are impressed with success and power. Jesus came to stir up the established way of thinking and help the marginalized. Some on here act just like the Pharisees when discussions about this subject are barely broached. It is a subject that should be discussed with an open mind in attempts to understand others positions on the subject. It is to some degree apparent that more than a couple of Hawk players have felt marginalized due to race within the Iowa program and was expanded by KF's disbanding of the committee that was formed. Read carefully what I actually just said without an emotional reaction. Dialog is one of the ways to come to mutual understanding.
