I appreciate your response and I hope it's your own. My mind is made up on the topic as I'm sure yours is too.
Does Kirk Have An Issue With Black Coaches?
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Honestly I don't have a strong opinion other than it's good to hear other opinions. It's hard to take off the Hawkeye hat long enough to really look at things. We also see how our country is becoming more polarized. What I do know is that Iowa is a low Black population state and there are vast areas where many people almost never have contact with Blacks. Using a Cult of Band of Brothers illustration, many of the huge fans think Capt Winters was about the greatest Captain ever due to low casualties in Easy Company. Fact was for a rifle company, Easy had very little contact with the enemy compared to other 101 units and units of other divisions.
It is very easy to overlook bias when one doesn't have much contact with the side that feels marginalized. I do know that I cringed when I saw the body cam video of Faith E a few years ago. That one to me was pretty obvious. Other circumstances aren't so obvious and requires one to analyze if it's true bias or just life. And yes what I wrote is my own opinion.
Iowa as a state is going to be more and more confronted with different ways of thinking due to the primary ethnicity of where the population growth is coming from. It isn't German which is the heritage of a huge part of our historical population.
Wow, so you're saying either Woods or Braithewaite doesn't count because he's not "authentically" black?
That's wildly more racist.
When I see Iowalaw post one of his baseless rants as I see them, I suddenly feel happy that I blessed with ADHD, because I cannot stay focused long enough to read the majority of the pointless drival. . 
Wow some of you like to stretch things. Can you actually have a real discourse? Didn't say he didn't count. Did you read the report on the Iowa program and concerns?
The report and concerns were a good read. What was interesting was the basis of the report was largely dispelled when the players had to raise a hand and sit for their deposition. That doesn't mean that there were no issues, there was, there is and there always will be. It is not unique to a football program, athletic department, schools, etc.
Anyone who has a strong opinion on the subject should read the actual depositions and see if that impacts their opinion on the subject either way.
I have and you are reading into it. If you've been in court, there are a lot of dynamics that go on. Court isn't a place where no one only tells the truth. The judge, jury selection, skill/audacity and risk taking of attorneys all go into including settlements. Judges aren't above having bias and creating bias. At least Iowa doesn't directly elect judges like some states. If you read the report, there are things in there that one can't ignore or explain away. I'm guessing you know more about court than you mention and you would know more than you just exposed.
There is no way there isn't some bias and marginalization. As mentioned earlier it gets back to one's own definition of racism and our own bias.
As an example, if you go back and look at 100 year old 4H camp photos with youth lined up with uniforms and all look so clean and pure. Blacks and Germans who were around in the ww2 era would see those photos differently than whilte middle class, guarantee you. Without getting into MAGA which most on here seem to not suport (which I doubt), if you look through another culture lens it's not hard to see MAWA.
To say that Iowa FB is extreme on the racist side is a huge stretch. To say there are no problems is also a stretch and it gets back to one's loyalty to the Black and Gold traditions, loyalty to a coach, not wanting to see change and so on is indicative into how hard one wants to look at issues.
I challenge you to watch the 1961 movie Raisin in the Sun.
Not saying he wasn’t. He had mostly white coaches. Does not make him racist. Ditto for Ferentz
My reference was to the report and the claims it was based on. The claims changed significantly when the players were under oath.
The rest of your post wasn’t part of my post. That was a broad brush you used. No issue with it.
You were clearly trying to downplay his involvement, as there was no other reason to mention it.
I did, which includes the parts that the most severe allegations were recanted when asked to testify under oath.
you have your opinion. Lawsuits are difficult to win. Much more than most know.
You are doing a lot of downplaying. We disagree. Things likely improved. As much as needed, maybe not. I will stand an say that a lot of things happen in the back rooms in courthouses good, bad, and indifferent.
Wtf...
Where are you from and where did your kid go to law school?
My brother has been a partner at Skadden for 20 years (yeah that Skadden...you know the one known generally as the best corporate law firm in the world...especially M&A) and my sister-in-law was at Simpson Thather until going to the Investment banking side. Neither is even close to 99% white. Sure..both have a lot of white people but 99.99% is flat our absurd.
Btw...I went to Harvard Law school's graduation...well close to 25 years ago for my ex...there were more significantly more than 1 black graduate.
I've also been to Columbia's med school graduation for my sister...this was 20 years ago...lots of black people...
So you are either making crap up or sent your kid to the most racist law school on the planet and live in a racist bubble where you think only .01% of lawyers are white...
Or maybe in last 20-25 years top schools stopped taking people of color?
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You should be sorry after all the posts you continued to make after I told you no more speaking lines.............
Btw, how'd Sam LaPorta do this year?
There are coaches/former coaches who may have some other issues to deal with currently. Don't think the former player/partner cares about any color other than green.Coach Ferentz has a black friend.
Why is it, when ever someone feels offended, They throw out troll on this board? There is some merit to his question. I wouldn't think KF is racist, but in the past it has crept into his watch while the head coach. Plus the information that has been brought in his post. I think it needs to be discussed
99.9 % was an embellishment but not by much. 86% white. 5% Black Lawyers. Blacks make up 13.5% of our population.
By Liberal Definition of racism, Law is a racist profession.
Iowa football staff: 25. 7 Black = 28% of staff. Seems Iowa football is doing better in regard to race than Law.
Point is, Iowa Law should stfu and worry about his own profession and stop with the slander. There are many things to be critical about in regard to Coach Ferentz. Calling him a racist is garbage.
Sorry buddy, but in your attempt to love on your idol (yet again), you're just plain wrong.
You say Kirk values strength coach above all, right? Well, Kirk valued strength and conditioning when his best friend and known racist had the position. No doubt. Doyle was rewarded with a $900,000 per year salary, making him the highest paid strength coach in college football. However, when word got out that Doyle bullied the hell out of the team's black players and 25+ spoke out against him, Barta stepped in an forced Kirk to cut his losses (while still handing Doyle a $1M severance package). Barta also forced Kirk to replace Doyle in the midst of a shit storm of racism allegations with a black coach...for optics sake. Kirk complied…sort of. Rather than paying the black strength coach what Doyle made, Kirk paid him $675,000. If paying a black coach to do the same job for pennies on the dollar rebuts the OP, I'd hate to see what you think rises to the level of racial bias. Stick with teaching 3rd grade art.
As for using Woods as an example of a "coordinator" equal to the white coordinators...c'mon. Think. After over a decade at Iowa, Woods makes just $700,000 per year... in other words, this “coordinator” makes the same as Iowa's worst position coach, Barnett, who has only been with the program 2 yrs. Kirk plucked his new white OC from the unemployment line, yet will still pay Woods’ "peer" double what Woods is making. Coordinator Phil Parker too makes double Woods’ salary.
Even Seth Wallace is being paid over $1,000,000 per year and he doesn't coordinate anything.
If you want to know who Kirk respects, look at who he promotes and who he pays. At the top of the pay scale, you've got Kirk, Brian, Doyle, Parker, Wallace, and now Lester. All white as snow. At the bottom, you've got Bell (black), Betts (black) and Hodge (black). No white position coach, aside from Budmayr, who has no business having a job of any kind, comes close to their black coaches pay. Bell has been at Iowa for 6 years, yet is still waiting to receive his first promotion. Meanwhile Brian and Wallace received 4 promotions in the same 6 year period and Budmayr has been promoted 3 times in his 2 years at Iowa.
You say Kirk values strength coach above all, right? Well, Kirk valued strength and conditioning when his best friend and known racist had the position. No doubt. Doyle was rewarded with a $900,000 per year salary, making him the highest paid strength coach in college football. However, when word got out that Doyle bullied the hell out of the team's black players and 25+ spoke out against him, Barta stepped in an forced Kirk to cut his losses (while still handing Doyle a $1M severance package). Barta also forced Kirk to replace Doyle in the midst of a shit storm of racism allegations with a black coach...for optics sake. Kirk complied…sort of. Rather than paying the black strength coach what Doyle made, Kirk paid him $675,000. If paying a black coach to do the same job for pennies on the dollar rebuts the OP, I'd hate to see what you think rises to the level of racial bias. Stick with teaching 3rd grade art.
As for using Woods as an example of a "coordinator" equal to the white coordinators...c'mon. Think. After over a decade at Iowa, Woods makes just $700,000 per year... in other words, this “coordinator” makes the same as Iowa's worst position coach, Barnett, who has only been with the program 2 yrs. Kirk plucked his new white OC from the unemployment line, yet will still pay Woods’ "peer" double what Woods is making. Coordinator Phil Parker too makes double Woods’ salary.
Even Seth Wallace is being paid over $1,000,000 per year and he doesn't coordinate anything.
If you want to know who Kirk respects, look at who he promotes and who he pays. At the top of the pay scale, you've got Kirk, Brian, Doyle, Parker, Wallace, and now Lester. All white as snow. At the bottom, you've got Bell (black), Betts (black) and Hodge (black). No white position coach, aside from Budmayr, who has no business having a job of any kind, comes close to their black coaches pay. Bell has been at Iowa for 6 years, yet is still waiting to receive his first promotion. Meanwhile Brian and Wallace received 4 promotions in the same 6 year period and Budmayr has been promoted 3 times in his 2 years at Iowa.
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Just checked out your Idol. Matt C. over at ISU. Recently hired a new running backs coach who happens to be White. Only Black coordinator he has is "Coordinator of Passing game." Virtually all D-1 running backs are Black, How do you justify a White Coach to coach that position? Only answer is that Matty boy is a racist.
I think BF should have only been Iowa’s o-line coach and not the o-coordinator. However, that’s water under the bridge.
I only checkout the clown forums to read the meltdowns occasionally....I can't imagine any posters over there writing and stating this kind of filth about one of their own. I doubt OP has ever met KF.
OP most of the time is busy chasing ambulances.
Is there a quota where certain people have to try and weave a form of racism claim for every issue? Sheese!!
An equal problem is the blind eye to stealth racism. Being unaware doesn't make it not racism.Is there a quota where certain people have to try and weave a form of racism claim for every issue? Sheese!!
It's like me judging you and the OP based on how many non-white friends/associates, hires you have, and how many times you've treated them to a nice lunch. I'll take note, and post for everyone to see as to make it true. Damn you for making me type this.
No not reallyband you just epitomized the statement. Justvtry for awhile to understand. But you won't due to stealth racism and bias. Test question. How do you feel about the term Master being used as a general statement. Would it bother you enough to stop using it if it bothered someone at work? OR long-time no see. How about uppity? Or if a friend you knew was sexually abused and you jokingly use the term Pedo State and it bothered them?
I take multiple DEI courses for work homes, not going to do it here on my time. How about I say that your thinking on the matter bothers me...so you need to be conscious and.....?
So...whether they know it or not, all white people are racist because "stealth racism". Got it.
Next!
Your corny examples...you are trying too hard. I was going to use goofy but I didn't want to offend the Golden goofs. Instead I managed to offend Iowans and Nebraska. I can never do nuthing!
Sorry, I don't subscribe to the left's modern definition of racism. Soft or stealth racism appears to be nothing more than attempt to monetize someone's failures. I didn't get the job, it must be racism, I didn't get the promotion, it is racism. Sorry, not buying it.
Plus, I hear there is racism where there is no racism. Figure that one out.
