Does the NCAA test for banded substances anymore?
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Step aside old man, times have changed. And the old day's were never as virtuous as you remember. I would have hated having you as a coach and would never allow you to coach my children.
guess you guys were raised by your mothers,cause your fathers sure screwed the pooch. my boys would never disrepect someone for age,they would shut up and learn something
The wussy is just a full of it POS! What is somewhat amazing is. With PA HS wrestling being so good. What in hell happened to the fans? Maybe all the real Wrestling fans from PA get it and root for other teams? Maybe all the mommy basement dwellers with no life just come here and make the entire F*** st. fan base look like morons?
I really do not get it? Some schmuck started a "wrestling page" (only in name because it is just a F*** st. ass kissing page) where most of what they do is post BS. Maybe the great Bael is paying them too?
To the other PA dummy. I have competed against those on PEDs. Not a big fan of losing, but if on any given day I lose to the better man or team. I shake hands and move on. When the playing field is not level though, it is a lot harder to take.
Between one schools known ties to a CA based “treigner” associated with PED’s and one schools pimping of “energy” drinks, the last ten years has given us a new script in D1 college wrestling.
I wouldn’t count on NCAA to do much to reign in the action. It would make NCAA look ineffective in retrospect and the NCAA doesn’t want to look bad and none of us want wrestling to look bad. And if Olympic/World results are good who is going to want to complain and stop us from beating Russia and Iran? Not to mention if the athletes are passing USADA and/or WADA testing who are we to speculate?
I can’t say any of this is what’s best for the sport, maybe it is, but one thing is for sure, the NCAA is putting in place rules and guidelines that are the same for everyone and I don’t see much changing. The cost for biological passport testing would be a huge budget item and even that test is just another IQ test with a slightly higher bar. Those with the motivation/resources will pass it also.
This is the world we live in just the same as it’s always been. No different IMO. Learn it, love it, and live it....or don’t. 🤷🏽♂️
I wouldn’t count on NCAA to do much to reign in the action. It would make NCAA look ineffective in retrospect and the NCAA doesn’t want to look bad and none of us want wrestling to look bad. And if Olympic/World results are good who is going to want to complain and stop us from beating Russia and Iran? Not to mention if the athletes are passing USADA and/or WADA testing who are we to speculate?
I can’t say any of this is what’s best for the sport, maybe it is, but one thing is for sure, the NCAA is putting in place rules and guidelines that are the same for everyone and I don’t see much changing. The cost for biological passport testing would be a huge budget item and even that test is just another IQ test with a slightly higher bar. Those with the motivation/resources will pass it also.
This is the world we live in just the same as it’s always been. No different IMO. Learn it, love it, and live it....or don’t. 🤷🏽♂️
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I wasn't trying to impress anyone. The guy was talking at me like I never wrestled. Simply stated that I had competed at a high level. I'm proud my competitor days in Greco, I didnt select it, its just what the Marine Corps focuses on. I was just happy to get the chance to compete.
My older brothers competed after college and got zero support from anyone. They worked full time and trained on the side. If kids gotta push energy drinks or promote themselves on social media to live a decent lifestyle while training, wtf are we to be critical. If we want competitive US teams, these guys need to be financially set. If not, you can watch them in MMA.
Listen Ahole all of the rest of the banter is fine, but do not disrespect a man who fought and almost died for the freedoms you enjoy. One of biggest ongoing problems with this country is the lack of respect for the men and women who built this country and died for it!!!
I'm a retired Marine Officer, and is regretting that a WWII veteran pro-created do to his sons actions after the fact really disrespectful to the veteran after the fact. If my son turns out to be a douche canoe, feel free to wish I had used a rubber.
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You are 100% full of shit you low life dickhead!!!! No military man would post this crap and disrespect a WW2 Vet.
The book " game of Shadows " goes into dept of how American athletes were using the SF labs and skirting the rules. Although it does focus on Bonds, there were so many athletes that passed the drug tests and it wasn't until investigators started looking into it that the story broke.
Unfortunately there has always been and will continue to be those who circumvent the rules for personal gain and one of the major factors in the case was how different parts of the body grew..head size, round jowls, heart size ect. Then of course theres others who use increased blood oxygen techniques such as Lance Armstrong and east german blood doping( gives increased oxygen to the athlete and better stamina) .
Unfortunately there has always been and will continue to be those who circumvent the rules for personal gain and one of the major factors in the case was how different parts of the body grew..head size, round jowls, heart size ect. Then of course theres others who use increased blood oxygen techniques such as Lance Armstrong and east german blood doping( gives increased oxygen to the athlete and better stamina) .
My great grandfather killed 20+ German pilots in WW2. He was the worst mechanic the Luftwaffe had.Sounds like Officer material...............for sure!
solute/solvent = concentration. subtract metabolism given caffeine Half life of about 6 hours. Different size people determines size of solvent. 125lbs doubles the concetration vs 250lbs for same mg dose. So dont give a mg dosage without knowing the actual weight of the person (and their hydration level) because it is the concentration of 15 mcg/ml that gets you banned. . --I say 300 vs 500 since 57kg is less than the usually assumed 70 Kg (commonly used in medicine). Buy you can be the keyboard justice warrior and prove me wrong while you 57kg gets bingoed by the ncaa over basic math.
I must have been confused when you said will do it for most, rather than actually typing 57kg which after a rather easy calculation is 380mg. The point of the statement wasn't to indicate you were wrong about the quantity it was to show how ridiculous anyone claiming him taking an energy drink before the match is some type of advantage. I suggest you not stumble on your ego on the way out.
caffeine has been proven to provide a competitive advantage in some people....that's why RBY takes it. Nothing wrong or illegal. Legal Supplements like creatine are analogous. Others dont have the same reaction to caffeine. Some it will make nervous and perform worse.... some it will help focus and execute. Athletes know their bodies best.
Granted, I was vague.... better said is --keeping intake under 300mg will not violate ncaa regardless of weight or level of hydration. Point was, what is a safe number to tell your wrestlers?
... IMO wrestling keeps my ego in check and generates humility in anyone who participates...part of why I like it. My ego is not big, I am just familiar with this topic. You dont know me, so that is stupid thing to say.
I don't need to know you, and I don't need your "medical expertise." The reason for the ban is not for increased performance, but for the negatives that follow intake over the amount that the NCAA designates illegal.
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If it wasn't an advantage, why do it? It's absolutely an advantage, just not illegal except for extreme amounts). Doesn't really matter though because the NCAA doesn't test.
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I think it's pretty clear what I stated, but thanks for reading. The reason for the ban is the health effects over that quantity.
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^ you explicitly disputed that caffeine provides a competitive advantage. Did you forget you wrote this like two posts ago?
I will state it again, the reason for the ban is not for the performance enahncement properties of caffiene but because of the health effects above that concentration. Unlike other performance enhancing drugs, there have not been long term side effects due to caffeine intake at lower levels. So, I do not think that caffeine is banned due to performance enahncements.
Why Did The Ncaa Ban Caffeine
For those who think it's easier to annoy you than to Google 'Why did the ncaa ban caffeine ' themselves.
"How ridiculous anyone claiming him taking an energy drink before the match is some type of advantage. I suggest you not stumble on your ego on the way out."
Apparently you do.... you are just dont know it LOL. Seethe on lol
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Cool. But my response to you above wasn't in regard to why the NCAA bans caffeine. It was in response to you disputing that caffeine is a performance enhancer.
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Why Did The Ncaa Ban Caffeine
For those who think it's easier to annoy you than to Google 'Why did the ncaa ban caffeine ' themselves.letmegooglethat.com
By the way, the NCAA includes caffeine as a performance enhancing drug, and if an athlete tests positive for an amount above the allowable level, the punishment is the same for other PED drug failures.
While not totally my intent, the intent of the first comment was someone claiming that it is a huge competitive advantage, there are multiple studies that would agree, and others that would disagree. I've linked the article below illustrating both enhancement, and generalized placebo effects.
Are the Current Guidelines on Caffeine Use in Sport Optimal for Everyone? Inter-individual Variation in Caffeine Ergogenicity, and a Move Towards Personalised Sports Nutrition - Sports Medicine
Caffeine use is widespread in sport, with a strong evidence base demonstrating its ergogenic effect. Based on existing research, current guidelines recommend ingestion of 3–9 mg/kg approximately 60 min prior to exercise. However, the magnitude of performance enhancement following caffeine...
link.springer.com
I know that, but the reason that it is banned is due to the health effects, as you stated "do a bit of googling." It is not BANNED either it is limited. Are you suggesting that over the concentration they have set as a standard is a further enhancement?
Na, I'm just not dumb enough to roll with the thought that RBY drinking an energy drink before a match should suspend or ban him because of it's major performance enhancing benefits.
This is correct. Caffeine can provide an advantage. I do not know the NCAA limits, but some on here are saying 300mg. What is somewhat interesting is, I just found out, that is how much 1 BANG has!!!
