Has anyone else noticed through the 1st two games that it seems like he has regressed and took a hit on his confidence? I would love to see Wagner gobble up more of his minutes if the first two games are on what to expect going forward.
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I say give the kid some time.
He is a veteran player on the team and should be held to a higher standard, but players go through adjustments or cycles when they're not as good. He showed he could be good last year and I think he can be important again this year. Maybe in a different role, but still important.
Given time, if he doesn't pull out of the funk, I have no problem taking his playing time. We are, however, in the non conference part of our schedule.
He is a veteran player on the team and should be held to a higher standard, but players go through adjustments or cycles when they're not as good. He showed he could be good last year and I think he can be important again this year. Maybe in a different role, but still important.
Given time, if he doesn't pull out of the funk, I have no problem taking his playing time. We are, however, in the non conference part of our schedule.
Yah I see what you are saying. From what I have seen is that it looks like he changed his shot a little bit? Also those couple air balls he has had at the 3 point line were wayyyyy off. He just doesn't seem as aggressive out there as he was form last year. Maybe having all those Seniors last year gave him more confidence compared to finding his role as a leader this year.
Some guys just don't improve. Uhl has the physical tools but lacks the skills and mental makeup to become a star. Of course Fran is going to give him a chance to prove himself on court, but by B1G playing time is going to be based on game performance.
Too small a sample. Last year we were down after the exhibition game, sky high after the second game of the season, got down again, then started wondering how he could make those threes, then wondered where he went.
I know it sounds nuts, but last year, two games into the season, we had fans wondering why we recruited Jok over another guy that happens to play at UNI.
So, who knows. Fran's giving him time but sure not 35 mpg. I think the cake is still in the oven on this one.
I know it sounds nuts, but last year, two games into the season, we had fans wondering why we recruited Jok over another guy that happens to play at UNI.
So, who knows. Fran's giving him time but sure not 35 mpg. I think the cake is still in the oven on this one.
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from what I saw Sunday Kriener has a ways' to go to move ahead of Uhl in terms of PT. Its Cook (Uhl, Wagner & Pemsl). Maybe Uhl doesn't reach the level we all were hoping for but he still is just a little over 50% through his college career...but he is part of that 4 man rotation as a forward & I'm OK with that.
what is a lot? I see Uhl, Wagner & Pemsl playing the same amount of minutes or very close to it.
not true..If Fran thought he was disinterested & sleep walking...he would not be playing let alone starting. Doesn't mean he doesn't have lapses. Just because Dom isn't a screamer doesn't equate to him being a sleep walker.
If there are A and B personalities then Uhl is a C personality. Very quiet, I don't see him ever being a leader on the team. He will be a role player and that is fine, every team has and needs role players.
The trend is already happening but Uhl and Ellingson are going to be the fan whipping boys this year.
The trend is already happening but Uhl and Ellingson are going to be the fan whipping boys this year.
Some guys are not vocal leaders...I don't think Uhl was attempting to find his role as one.
exactly .... Uhl struggles are not related to his personality .I don't know why that always seems to be a part of some fans' evaluation. His struggles are related to ability & strength. To a degree he is still learning how to play paint ball...I've seen him in person a lot...he doesn't have the strength inside that a Cook has...or Wagner & Pemsl for that matter. I've even seen him shy away from put backs & looks to reverse the ball...it is a work in progress.
They are by far the best choices. They've been here a few years which is very important. One must have proven they are not All-B1G material to get whipped on. They play. Can't be complaining about the guys who don't get minutes as we need them for the inevitable solution, "Put that guy in!"
A concern I have is even our whipping boys are exhibiting more talent than we've had over the recent two decades, when looking at team depth. I honestly don't know how the fan in the executioner's mask is going to justify a full blown whipping when guys are producing.
I love the quickness & strength (of various degree) that Uhl along with Cook, Wagner & Pemsl bring....there have been lapses with some not getting back on defense...which I believe Fran has discussed 
with the offender.
with the offender.You have to remember that Kreiner is playing on a sore ankle. I think he will fine physically, and productive on the court, by the start of conference season.
Uhl is a huge ball stopper and kills the flow of the offense. Despite his lucky stretch last year he has shown he's not a good shooter but continues to take those shots. He has good handles but he struggles to finish at the rim. His post defense is atrocious and although he's a good offensive rebounder he's not very good on the defensive boards.
He really doesn't offer much at all in comparison to the other guys. Pemsl and Wagner are both willing passers and just have a better feel for the game. Wagner is better in pretty much every aspect of the game. Pemsl provides a lot offensively and and is obviously learning defensively but I wouldn't say he's any worse than Uhl at this point.
I think Fran gave him the benefit of the doubt at the beginning of the year because he is a Junior and the competition let him play around with lineups but unless Uhl makes a drastic turnaround it's going to be hard to continue giving him minutes with the other pieces that Fran could use.
don't quite agree with lucky stretch & doesn't offer much at all ...but certainly can agree he struggles in some areas..I'm not into player comparisons....I do hope Wagner gets a little more consistent shooting free throws cause he should be there a lot.
I think we can all agree that effectiveness on the court should reflect PT..2 games in.
Wagner 20 min
Cook 18
Pemsl 17
Uhl 16
I mean that by the end up the year I would be surprised if Dom is playing much when it really matters. Hey, I hope I'm wrong and that he turns into a good player for Iowa, but I'm just not seeing it and it looks as though it isn't going to take much for Wagner and Pemsl to pass him up.
I think Uhl is finding his game still because he's been asked to do so many different things for Fran. Uhl was originally recruited to be a mismatch, and operate in space and transition. He has that opportunity this year because we have players who can play with their back to the rim, and who like to run. He spaces the offense when he can shoot well, and that opens up his driving game, which I think is very good, just not polished. If his shot falls, his game is very very good, and fun to watch. I think he's regaining confidence in his shot right now and that may take the entire non-conference season or year, but if it clicks, he's an excellent player and will contribute. Even if he's not making shots, we need him to be a rebounder and another ball handler for the fastbreak offense.
The guy isn't American, so his demeanor may be different because he comes from a different background. Anyone who is judging his competitive drive off of his demeanor is not doing a good job of evaluating. I enjoy watching Uhl play, and hope he continues to grow and trust the coaching staff.
The guy isn't American, so his demeanor may be different because he comes from a different background. Anyone who is judging his competitive drive off of his demeanor is not doing a good job of evaluating. I enjoy watching Uhl play, and hope he continues to grow and trust the coaching staff.
Ok well we shall see...I don't see Fran playing a 3 man big forward rotation...especially considering 2 of the 3 are true freshman (freshman wall & all, plus Pemsl did have serious surgery).
I'm also not saying that Cook, Wagner or Pemsl wont have good years or even better years than Uhl. I am saying that Uhl fits what Fran is wanting to run this year. Is the most experience of the 4 and will be in the rotation. It could he doesn't play more minutes than last year (17). It could be he even plays a little less than Wagner or Pemsl...but I'm thinking it will be pretty close. As far as effectiveness...we shall see. Maybe he can get one of those lucky stretches.
I would be surprised if Uhl doesn't play meaningful minutes....course you have to define when it really matters. Down the stretch? Last minute in a tie game?
spot on ... although Dom is a junior its not like he has been playing big time minutes in his first 2 years. He didn't come to Iowa as a polished big guy (IE Cook)...he came as a tall skinny tweener. He may never reach the level of all-B1G ... doesn't mean he cant help us win.
Further, if Jones gets healthy, it's probably going to diminish even more. Kriener and Uhl seem neck and neck at this point, which is sad for Dom, I really thought he'd be a good player for us.
As long as Uhl stays active on defense and rebounding, I'm good with him getting 20 minutes even if he's a bit inconsistent on offense. If his offense starts to affect those other factors then he'll have to get less time.
I think he's a very good rebounder especially on offense, can defend a bit inside and out, and has good ball handling for his size. His shooting and decision making is a bit erratic yet, but people pretend like that's 90% of the game.
He should pick his spots later in the shot clock to try to shoot or drive, but as long as he's not jacking up 3's or turning it over in the paint 8 seconds into the shot clock I'm not too worried - he can contribute in a lot of ways, and brings experience so isn't afraid of the big moments like some freshman might be.
I think he's a very good rebounder especially on offense, can defend a bit inside and out, and has good ball handling for his size. His shooting and decision making is a bit erratic yet, but people pretend like that's 90% of the game.
He should pick his spots later in the shot clock to try to shoot or drive, but as long as he's not jacking up 3's or turning it over in the paint 8 seconds into the shot clock I'm not too worried - he can contribute in a lot of ways, and brings experience so isn't afraid of the big moments like some freshman might be.
Jones will need to be healthy... to play better defense & run the floor in the manner Fran wants to.
From what I've seen Kreiner is not currently in the mix with Cook, Uhl, Wagner & Pemsl...he could make it a mix of 5.
From what Fran said about him, though, he thought the same thing until watching game film. Did a lot of "quiet" things well that the team needs, like ball movement, feeding the post, etc. His role may be to be that invisible glue guy who keeps the offense flowing so other guys benefit. We'll see.
If Fran indicated ball movement he's really reaching. Uhl has shown he's not one of the better passers on the team for a couple years now. The game just doesn't come naturally to him. If he used his ball handling to set up other teammates that would be great but I have rarely seen him do that. "Keeping the offense flowing" is exactly what Uhl struggles with. Pemsl and Wagner have both shown great passing ability that would actually translate to a free flowing offense.
What really scares me is he was money from deep when he was open last year and I don't recall him air balling 3 pointers while open. And I agree about the "keeping the offense flowing" thought, when it gets to him it seems like the offense comes to a halt half the time. I remember from the 2nd half of the season last year he always got to the rim (which is great) but turned the ball over or threw up a horrible attempt. Maybe I am looking to deep into this but he has been struggling since the last half of last year and it carried over. Hopefully he gets out of the funk because I know a lot of Hawks fans that were excited what he could do with being one of the main contributors on the team this year.
I haven't seen Uhl being active on defense or rebounding this year. And like others have said, the ball often stops on offense when it gets to him, plus he likes to jack up early 3's. I thought Uhl would be an outstanding player with the skills he had coming to Iowa, but that has not happened. Imo, his play is lackadaisical and that may be a/the reason his game has not progressed very much.
if you thought Dom would be an outstanding player when he came here...sounds like you were wrong. Could you also be wrong in now defining him as lackadaisicial? I don't think Fran would agree with.
so you don't believe Fran? Curious did you watch the game on BTNPlus and did the streaming work for you? I may have missed a few things but the Uhl I watched in Carver in limited minutes was indeed in tune with his teammates when it came to ball movement. If you want to see someone not setting up their teammates....all you had to do was watch Bridges last night for MSU....but hey he probably will be B1G Freshman of Year.
I agree Uhl did not come to Iowa as a "natural".
Jmo, but I do not see the consistent effort put forth by Dom that I see with the rest of the team. If my perception is correct (laziness), could this factor into his practice habits too (not a gym rat and working hard to develop his game like other guys do)? No inside info, just wondering.
The kid is quickly running out of time, and rapidly approaching bust status.
Had big hopes of his athleticism coming out of high school too. Just never learned to take it to the next level.
Had big hopes of his athleticism coming out of high school too. Just never learned to take it to the next level.
Dom played ok on Sunday, not a star but he was rebounding offensively and that's been a missing element from the Hawks so far this season. He also started to close out interior passing lanes.... He is learning and that's a good thing. If Pemsyl and Cook, Jones and Wagner and Kriener out perform Uhl, this isn't a bad thing , it's a very good thing, but outside the air all he is playing ok.
Still think he's an important part of this team. I think we need him for at least 10 and 5 a game if we are going to be an NCAA team. Go Hawks!!
Twice on Sunday Dom passed up getting Jok the ball when he was open on the perimeter. Once he passed to the opposite side of the floor and the second time, Dom knocked down his own three. It would be fair to say that Jok was not pleased either time, judging by his body language.
It seems that Dom has a very short leash with Fran. Once Dom makes a mistake, you can find him quickly on the bench. Just seems like Dom is always in the doghouse.
I really like Dom and he has the ability to take over a game. Many times in the last couple of years it just seems like Dom gets lost in the flow of the game. I hope for Dom's sake and Iowa's sake, Dom gets it figured out because for Iowa to be successful this year, they're gonna need Uhl.
It seems that Dom has a very short leash with Fran. Once Dom makes a mistake, you can find him quickly on the bench. Just seems like Dom is always in the doghouse.
I really like Dom and he has the ability to take over a game. Many times in the last couple of years it just seems like Dom gets lost in the flow of the game. I hope for Dom's sake and Iowa's sake, Dom gets it figured out because for Iowa to be successful this year, they're gonna need Uhl.
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