Dwight vs McCaffrey

[Razorhawk2]

Just had a flashback from the Rose Bowl and how Christian McCaffrey ran roughshod over Iowa. I thought he reminds me of Tim Dwight so I decided to compare their stats from Dwight's senior season of 1997 and McCaffrey's last season.

First I was surprised that not counting kick returns for either player (McCaffrey had more but fewer TD's) Dwight only touched the ball 47 times compared to 386 times for McCaffrey. Dwight stats were significantly better in both rushing and receiving, averaging almost 11 yards per carry and 17 yards per reception.

The bell cow for Iowa that season was Tavian Banks who had a good year averaging over 6 yards per carry and scoring 19 TD's but the Hawkeyes finished the season at 7-5 and you wonder what could of been if Dwight was more involved in the offense. He spent 10 years in the NFL so obviously he's one of the greatest players to wear a Hawkeye uniform.

 

[WORTHYWISH]

Everyone knows that Fry screwed the pooch on Dwight.

 

[myteamcanbeatupyourteam]

Everyone knows that Fry screwed the pooch on Dwight.

I remember Fry pretty much acknowledging that after he retired.

 

[bigfridaynite]

Its my understand that the coaching staff thought McCaffrey was the best college football player they have coach against.
They try to simulate in practice and it wasn't even close to the real thing.

 

[Razorhawk2]

Its my understand that the coaching staff thought McCaffrey was the best college football player they have coach against.
They try to simulate in practice and it wasn't even close to the real thing.

He finished second for the Heisman Trophy last year and Stanford was bad he didn't win it. He did win AP College Football Player of the Year though...

 

[I O WUH]

He finished second for the Heisman Trophy last year and Stanford was bad he didn't win it. He did win AP College Football Player of the Year though...

He had one of the best years in college football ever. I think there were a lot of people outside of Stanford that were upset he didn't win too.

 

[DodgerHawki]

Just had a flashback from the Rose Bowl and how Christian McCaffrey ran roughshod over Iowa. I thought he reminds me of Tim Dwight so I decided to compare their stats from Dwight's senior season of 1997 and McCaffrey's last season.

First I was surprised that not counting kick returns for either player (McCaffrey had more but fewer TD's) Dwight only touched the ball 47 times compared to 386 times for McCaffrey. Dwight stats were significantly better in both rushing and receiving, averaging almost 11 yards per carry and 17 yards per reception.

The bell cow for Iowa that season was Tavian Banks who had a good year averaging over 6 yards per carry and scoring 19 TD's but the Hawkeyes finished the season at 7-5 and you wonder what could of been if Dwight was more involved in the offense. He spent 10 years in the NFL so obviously he's one of the greatest players to wear a Hawkeye uniform.

Saying that Dwight was "better" at rushing than McCaffery since he averaged 11 yards per carry is silly. The only times Dwight rushed was on reverses and trick plays. Of course his average is going to be better.

Dwight was one of the all-time greats. The way that fans at home games would be on the edge of their seats every time he touched the ball was not something I've ever seen at Kinnick. He had the misfortune of being at Iowa at the same time as Shaw and Banks, probably the two most-talented backs at Iowa since Ronnie Harmon (along with Shonn Greene). Putting Dwight out at receiver was the right thing to do, but it's too bad Snyder wasn't still the OC when Dwight was here. Banks and Dwight were the two best skill position players to come out of Iowa high school ranks in a long, long time. NFL caliber talents.

 

[td77]

These guys aren't that good of a comparison. Dwight is my favorite player of all time having gone to HS with him. But at the college level he was pure speed and HEART. No one played with more grit then Tim. McCaffery on the other hand is way more elusive and bigger then Tim to handle a physical pounding. Not as fast (who is), but overall brings more elite elements to the table.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

I think McAffery is going to struggle this year. last year he was a FREAK and should of won the Heisman. But I think this year he will struggle, They lost some key O-Linemen and their starting QB. I think teams will load the box and try to stop him.

Timmy D was my all time favorite Hawk. I remember being in the stands when he leveled the Punt Retuner from Arizona. probably one of the hardest hits ever! The guy was electric every time he touched the ball.

 

[Freyvet]

Just had a flashback from the Rose Bowl and how Christian McCaffrey ran roughshod over Iowa. I thought he reminds me of Tim Dwight so I decided to compare their stats from Dwight's senior season of 1997 and McCaffrey's last season.

First I was surprised that not counting kick returns for either player (McCaffrey had more but fewer TD's) Dwight only touched the ball 47 times compared to 386 times for McCaffrey. Dwight stats were significantly better in both rushing and receiving, averaging almost 11 yards per carry and 17 yards per reception.

The bell cow for Iowa that season was Tavian Banks who had a good year averaging over 6 yards per carry and scoring 19 TD's but the Hawkeyes finished the season at 7-5 and you wonder what could of been if Dwight was more involved in the offense. He spent 10 years in the NFL so obviously he's one of the greatest players to wear a Hawkeye uniform.

Loved TD but CM was one of the best football players I've seen in a long, long time. What he did to Iowa is what he did to almost every team he faced last year.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

I think McAffery is going to struggle this year.

Uhhhm...yeah, we'll see about that.

 

[ThomesG.Hey]

I think McAffery is going to struggle this year. last year he was a FREAK and should of won the Heisman. But I think this year he will struggle, They lost some key O-Linemen and their starting QB. I think teams will load the box and try to stop him.

Timmy D was my all time favorite Hawk. I remember being in the stands when he leveled the Punt Retuner from Arizona. probably one of the hardest hits ever! The guy was electric every time he touched the ball.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

I bet he doesn't post the same #'s as last year. I will mark it down. The kid a freak of an athlete, but he lost 2-3 Linemen PLUS his QB. If he can improve from that I will be impressed.

 

[Freyvet]

I bet he doesn't post the same #'s as last year. I will mark it down. The kid a freak of an athlete, but he lost 2-3 Linemen PLUS his QB. If he can improve from that I will be impressed.

He doesn't have to improve to improve his numbers to be great!!!

 

[J_Heater]

I bet he doesn't post the same #'s as last year. I will mark it down. The kid a freak of an athlete, but he lost 2-3 Linemen PLUS his QB. If he can improve from that I will be impressed.

So if he doesn't match last years totals that means he struggles?

 

[ichawk24]

I bet he doesn't post the same #'s as last year. I will mark it down.

So you're taking the under on 3864 total yards? Bold.

 

[EZ2BJZ]

So you're taking the under on 3864 total yards? Bold.

LMAO!!!!

 

[J_Heater]

I bet he doesn't post the same #'s as last year. I will mark it down. The kid a freak of an athlete, but he lost 2-3 Linemen PLUS his QB. If he can improve from that I will be impressed.

 

[ThomesG.Hey]

I bet he doesn't post the same #'s as last year. I will mark it down. The kid a freak of an athlete, but he lost 2-3 Linemen PLUS his QB. If he can improve from that I will be impressed.

So if he doesn't match last year it will mean he struggled? Sound logic right there.

 

[Razorhawk2]

Dwight finished 7th in the Heisman race not even being featured on his team (how often does that happen). He scored every 7th time he touched the ball on 74 touches. McCaffrey finished 2nd in his Heisman race being the featured player on his team. He had 434 touches and scored every 29th touch. Had Dwight been given 360 more touches would he have won the Heisman?

 

[EpenesaEpenesa]

In today's game/offenses, Dwight would've been a much bigger threat. People have just discovered more creative ways to get their playmakers the football. Imagine jet sweep action with Dwight with Banks at RB.

 

[unoHawkeye]

I bet he doesn't post the same #'s as last year. I will mark it down. The kid a freak of an athlete, but he lost 2-3 Linemen PLUS his QB. If he can improve from that I will be impressed.

Wouldn't losing your starting QB make you more reliant on your running game?

 

[DavenportHawk8]

Wouldn't losing your starting QB make you more reliant on your running game?

Or allow teams to load the box and stop the run? I look at it he is now the "hunted" and teams are going to stop him. The kid is a freak of an athlete, but I think he will find the sledding tough this year w/out his Outland Trophy Linemen and his starting QB. Just my opinion.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

So you're taking the under on 3864 total yards? Bold.

I was thinking more of the TD's. Yards I will guarantee he will not match that. I bet he doesn't even come w/in 500 of his last year total.

 

[bigfridaynite]

Tim D. Is probably in top 5 of all time greats at Iowa. CM will probably be in top 5 of all time greats in all of college football by this time next year.if he doesn't get injury.

 

[Razorhawk2]

Tim D. Is probably in top 5 of all time greats at Iowa. CM will probably be in top 5 of all time greats in all of college football by this time next year.if he doesn't get injury.

I don't think some posters are giving enough credit to T.D. and giving (a little) too much credit to C.M...Dwight is in the top 5 of all time fastest college football players and maybe the top 5 in the NFL. Not many 100 meter track champions from any major conference ever play football because they don't have the hands or simply aren't tough enough. He earned the name "White Lightning" in the NFL from his peers and his speed is something McCaffrey or pretty much every player in college or the NFL don't have. Tim Dwight is the definition of "freak athlete".

 

[Bigfann1966]

Just had a flashback from the Rose Bowl and how Christian McCaffrey ran roughshod over Iowa. I thought he reminds me of Tim Dwight so I decided to compare their stats from Dwight's senior season of 1997 and McCaffrey's last season.

First I was surprised that not counting kick returns for either player (McCaffrey had more but fewer TD's) Dwight only touched the ball 47 times compared to 386 times for McCaffrey. Dwight stats were significantly better in both rushing and receiving, averaging almost 11 yards per carry and 17 yards per reception.

The bell cow for Iowa that season was Tavian Banks who had a good year averaging over 6 yards per carry and scoring 19 TD's but the Hawkeyes finished the season at 7-5 and you wonder what could of been if Dwight was more involved in the offense. He spent 10 years in the NFL so obviously he's one of the greatest players to wear a Hawkeye uniform.

I think Tavian should of been used more as well. Both those guys were play makers!!

 

[J_Heater]

I was thinking more of the TD's. Yards I will guarantee he will not match that. I bet he doesn't even come w/in 500 of his last year total.

Again assuming you are right you are saying 3,200 total yards or so is struggling? I just don't see it like that.

 

[ThomesG.Hey]

Or allow teams to load the box and stop the run? I look at it he is now the "hunted" and teams are going to stop him. The kid is a freak of an athlete, but I think he will find the sledding tough this year w/out his Outland Trophy Linemen and his starting QB. Just my opinion.

Every single year Stanford has a solid line. That's not gonna change this year. And last year teams schemed to stop him, keyed on him, and loaded the box. It didn't work.

 

[riley35]

Just had a flashback from the Rose Bowl and how Christian McCaffrey ran roughshod over Iowa. I thought he reminds me of Tim Dwight so I decided to compare their stats from Dwight's senior season of 1997 and McCaffrey's last season.

First I was surprised that not counting kick returns for either player (McCaffrey had more but fewer TD's) Dwight only touched the ball 47 times compared to 386 times for McCaffrey. Dwight stats were significantly better in both rushing and receiving, averaging almost 11 yards per carry and 17 yards per reception.

The bell cow for Iowa that season was Tavian Banks who had a good year averaging over 6 yards per carry and scoring 19 TD's but the Hawkeyes finished the season at 7-5 and you wonder what could of been if Dwight was more involved in the offense. He spent 10 years in the NFL so obviously he's one of the greatest players to wear a Hawkeye uniform.

Fry should have given Dwight the ball 8 to 12 times a game from the tail back position. If he had we would have won three more games per year his junior land senior yrs

 

[El Simbolo]

I believe we went 9-3 Dwight's junior year. 12-0 national champs would have been awesome ;-)

PS: OSU was awesome that year, we were not near their class

 

[DavenportHawk8]

I believe we went 9-3 Dwight's junior year. 12-0 national champs would have been awesome ;-)

PS: OSU was awesome that year, we were not near their class

Was that the year OSU had Krenzell, Eddie George, and a stud WR and Pace? I remember Iowa was rated and OSU was like #2 or #1 and they came into Kinnick and just woodshedded the hawks. It wasn't even a game. They were good!

 

[RushProbst]

Was that the year OSU had Krenzell, Eddie George, and a stud WR and Pace? I remember Iowa was rated and OSU was like #2 or #1 and they came into Kinnick and just woodshedded the hawks. It wasn't even a game. They were good!

I think joe enormous facemask Germaine was the qb with David Boston at wr. May have also been the Katz, diggs, Rudzinski lb trio.

 

[funnyfletcher]

Dwight only had 286 touches in his career at Iowa. 4,589 yards and 32 touchdowns.

 

[EagleHawk]

I was thinking more of the TD's. Yards I will guarantee he will not match that. I bet he doesn't even come w/in 500 of his last year total.

Well, if Iowa doesn't play Stanford in a bowl game, that will cost him 300 yards right there.

 

[DavenportHawk8]

I think joe enormous facemask Germaine was the qb with David Boston at wr. May have also been the Katz, diggs, Rudzinski lb trio.

I just remember going to a game w/my grandpa and OSU was freaking unreal. They were loaded and I believe Timmy D returned a punt for a TD against them?? But that was about all that happened for the hawks. OSU just woodshedded the hawks. I remember being one of the few left in Kinnick late in the 4th quarter (my grandpa never left early). I know they had Boston & Pace for sure. I couldn't remember the QB. I also thought they had George at RB.

 

[Razorhawk2]

Dwight only had 286 touches in his career at Iowa. 4,589 yards and 32 touchdowns.

16 yards per touch and touchdown every 9th touch, pretty impressive!

 

[Fan In Black]

All this thread has done is make me frustrated with how Hayden used TD all over again.

 

[Razorhawk2]

All this thread has done is make me frustrated with how Hayden used TD all over again.

I know what you mean, I remember games where he only touched the ball a couple times...

 

[EZ2BJZ]

All this thread has done is make me frustrated with how Hayden used TD all over again.

Yeah, it is frustrating. In Hayden Fry's prime, he was known as being a wily fox who'd pull out all the stops during a game. In his latter years, he became way too conservative. Funny thing, if this "New Kirk" trend continues (which I doubt), Ferentz could have just the complete opposite trend of Hayden, going from ultra conservative to a more whacky, wild, free- style of offense.

Yeah, I know, not going to happen, but fun to think about all the same.