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Elder Bush Says His Son Was Served Badly by Aides

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After years of holding back, former President George Bush has finally broken his public silence about some of the key figures in his son’s administration, issuing scathing critiques of Vice President Dick Cheney and Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld.

In interviews with his biographer, Mr. Bush said that Mr. Cheney had built “his own empire” and asserted too much “hard-line” influence within George W. Bush’s White House in pushing for the use of force around the world. Mr. Rumsfeld, the elder Mr. Bush said, was an “arrogant fellow” who could not see how others thought and “served the president badly.”

Mr. Bush’s sharp assessments, contained in a biography by Jon Meacham to be published by Random House next week, gave voice to sentiments that many long suspected he had harbored but kept private until now. While he continued to praise his son, he did tell Mr. Meacham that the younger Mr. Bush was responsible for empowering Mr. Cheney and Mr. Rumsfeld and was at times too bellicose in his language.

“I do worry about some of the rhetoric that was out there — some of it his, maybe, and some of it the people around him,” Mr. Bush told Mr. Meacham. “Hot rhetoric is pretty easy to get headlines, but it doesn’t necessarily solve the diplomatic problem.”

Asked for specifics, Mr. Bush cited his son’s State of the Union address in 2002, when he described an “axis of evil” that included Iraq, Iran and North Korea. “You go back to the ‘axis of evil’ and these things and I think that might be historically proved to be not benefiting anything,” he said.

The biography, “Destiny and Power: The American Odyssey of George Herbert Walker Bush,” is coming out as the country is focused once again on the Bush family and its place in the American firmament. With Jeb Bush, Mr. Bush’s second son, struggling in his campaign for the White House, the family that has held the White House the longest in the modern age now faces the possibility that its time has passed.

But the first George Bush, now 91 and frail from a form of Parkinson’s disease, has seen his reputation rise again with the passage of time, and Mr. Meacham’s largely admiring biography offers the most definitive account to date about the nation’s 41st president. Mr. Meacham, a former editor of Newsweek and a Pulitzer Prize-winning author, spent years doing research for the book, which is based in part on interviews with the former president and diaries he and his wife, Barbara, kept.

In addition to the reviews of Mr. Cheney and Mr. Rumsfeld, the book reveals that the older Mr. Bush suffered from a post-victory despondency after the Persian Gulf war of 1991 — a “letdown” over no longer being involved in such a huge endeavor — that led him to consider not running for a second term. It also reports that Donald J. Trump, now a leading Republican candidate for president, wanted to be Mr. Bush’s running mate in 1988, and that Jeb Bush privately urged him to drop Dan Quayle from the ticket in 1992.

On March 13, 1991, just two weeks after Iraq capitulated in the gulf war, Mr. Bush fantasized in his diary about calling it quits after a single term. He would “call a press conference in about November and just turn it loose,” he said in the audio diary. “You need someone in this job” who could give his “total last ounce of energy, and I’ve had” that “up until now, but now I don’t seem to have the drive.”

“Maybe it’s the letdown after the day-to-day” 5 a.m. calls “to the Situation Room; conferences every single day with Defense and State; moving things, nudging things, worrying about things, phone calls to foreign leaders, trying to keep things moving forward, managing a massive project,” he said in the diary. “Now it’s different, sniping, carping, bitching, predictable editorial complaints.”

The book includes diary entries about the tensions between Mrs. Bush and Nancy Reagan (“Nancy does not like Barbara”) and his private comments about Michael S. Dukakis, his 1988 opponent (“midget nerd”). It reports that as defense secretary for the elder Mr. Bush, Mr. Cheney commissioned a study of how many tactical nuclear weapons would be needed to take out an Iraqi Republican Guard division, if necessary. (The answer: 17.)

It also describes Mr. Bush’s evolution on issues like same-sex marriage. While gearing up for his 1988 campaign, Mr. Bush said in his audio diary that Americans “don’t want homosexual marriages codified.”

In retirement, he attended a same-sex marriage and in September of this year sent Mr. Meacham a note to clarify his position.

“Personally, I still believe in traditional marriage,” Mr. Bush wrote. “But people should be able to do what they want to do, without discrimination. People have a right to be happy. I guess you could say I have mellowed.”

But it may be Mr. Bush’s views of his son’s administration and advisers that will draw the most attention. In his interviews with Mr. Meacham, the former president returned several times to the topic of Mr. Cheney, who handled the role of vice president very differently from the way the first Mr. Bush did under Ronald Reagan.

“He had his own empire there and marched to his own drummer,” Mr. Bush said. “It just showed me that you cannot do it that way. The president should not have that worry.”

He said he thought Mr. Cheney had changed since serving in his cabinet. “He just became very hard-line and very different from the Dick Cheney I knew and worked with,” Mr. Bush said. He attributed that to the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001. “Just iron-ass. His seeming knuckling under to the real hard-charging guys who want to fight about everything, use force to get our way in the Middle East.”

He speculated that Mr. Cheney was influenced by his wife, Lynne, and his daughter Liz, both strong conservatives. “I’ve concluded that Lynne Cheney is a lot of the eminence grise here – iron-ass, tough as nails, driving,” he said.

Still, he called Mr. Cheney “a good man” who pushed boundaries too far. “The big mistake that was made was letting Cheney bring in kind of his own State Department,” Mr. Bush said. “I think they overdid that. But it’s not Cheney’s fault. It’s the president’s fault.”

By that, he meant his son. “The buck stops there,” the elder Mr. Bush said.

He was even harsher about Mr. Rumsfeld, who had been a rival of his since the 1970s, when both served in Gerald R. Ford’s administration. “I think he served the president badly,” Mr. Bush said. “I don’t like what he did, and I think it hurt the president having his iron-ass view of everything. I’ve never been that close to him anyway. There’s a lack of humility, a lack of seeing what the other guy thinks. He’s more kick ass and take names, take numbers. I think he paid a price for that.”

He added, “Rumsfeld was an arrogant fellow and self-assured, swagger.”

But that did not mean Mr. Bush disagreed with his son about the Iraq war, as many have assumed. Toppling and capturing Saddam Hussein were “proud moments” in American history, he said, and he did not like comparing his son’s war with his. “Different wars, different reasons,” he said. He denied that he shook his head in disapproval at his son’s decisions. “Saddam’s gone, and with him went a lot of brutality and nastiness and awfulness,” he said.

He would not be drawn into a blow-by-blow discussion of his son’s presidency. “He’s my son, he did his best and I’m for him,” Mr. Bush said. “It’s that simple an equation.”

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Always liked HW, he was an honorable dude IMHO. His son was weak and let Cheney and Rumsfeld take over and turn the place into a shit-show. That falls on W, but it doesn't make those two any less detestable.
 
Always liked HW, he was an honorable dude IMHO. His son was weak and let Cheney and Rumsfeld take over and turn the place into a shit-show. That falls on W, but it doesn't make those two any less detestable.

Agreed. But those guys were HW's guys, too. He knew them and knew what they were capable of.
 
Not just "served badly", but he goes on to say how Rumsfeld and Cheney helped damage the United States' credibility in the world. Our ultra-con friends on HROT like to live in a fantasy land where everything is Obama's fault to them. The former POTUS' own FATHER contradicts that very notion. I've said it before and I will say it again, George H.W. Bush was the best Republican president in the last 50 years. He'd have been ousted from congress as a "RINO" by today's wingnut GOP voters.
 
Always liked HW, he was an honorable dude IMHO. His son was weak and let Cheney and Rumsfeld take over and turn the place into a shit-show. That falls on W, but it doesn't make those two any less detestable.
This is what I took away too. Pappa Bush makes Jr. sound pretty weak. The Bush wimp meme might be true.
 
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You're goddamn right he did, and this is all posturing to clear the Bush name in the interest of getting Jeb a chance. That's all this is.
I can see where you would think that and you may be right, but I don't see how making the case that W was too weak and stupid is really a reason to elect his brother.
 
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Not just "served badly", but he goes on to say how Rumsfeld and Cheney helped damage the United States' credibility in the world. Our ultra-con friends on HROT like to live in a fantasy land where everything is Obama's fault to them. The former POTUS' own FATHER contradicts that very notion. I've said it before and I will say it again, George H.W. Bush was the best Republican president in the last 50 years. He'd have been ousted from congress as a "RINO" by today's wingnut GOP voters.
You are one of the most delusional and stupid people I have ever seen when it comes to politics. It's not even close with you. You are a follower, a weak and ignorant follower. How in the hell can you say that Bush Sr. was one of the best Presidents in 50 years? He's one of the true power players of the NeoCon establishment and you admire him for that?

And then here you are defending Obama as if he's some sort of innocent angel involved in all of this. Seriously, this country is full of idiots just like you and that is exactly the reason why we continue to be involved in the wars. HW's entire mantra was about internationalizing everything, and using military force to push Democracy as he called it around the world. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
 
I can see where you would think that and you may be right, but I don't see how making the case that W was too weak and stupid is really a reason to elect his brother.
He's only making the case the that he is in order to make GW look like he was betrayed, not weak necessarily. Jeb was always seen as the more talented of the two. He was always seen as the true successor to his father, who also is seen in a ridiculously delusional light by both Republicans and Liberals.
 
You are one of the most delusional and stupid people I have ever seen when it comes to politics. It's not even close with you. You are a follower, a weak and ignorant follower. How in the hell can you say that Bush Sr. was one of the best Presidents in 50 years? He's one of the true power players of the NeoCon establishment and you admire him for that?

And then here you are defending Obama as if he's some sort of innocent angel involved in all of this. Seriously, this country is full of idiots just like you and that is exactly the reason why we continue to be involved in the wars. HW's entire mantra was about internationalizing everything, and using military force to push Democracy as he called it around the world. Dumb, dumb, dumb.
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W built a ton of goodwill after 9/11 and had a chance to do huge things for the country. We had a small window of opportunity to strive for some bipartisan solutions to big problems. He blew it.
 
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How in the hell can you say that Bush Sr. was one of the best Presidents in 50 years?

Go back and re-read. I said the best "Republican president of the last 50 years", which (of course) still puts him far down the list of the "best" in the last 50 years...
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Here's how I'd rank them, BTW...

1) Obama
2) Clinton
3) JFK
4) Eisenhower (okay, I'll go just a bit past 50 years)
5)) George H.W. Bush
6) LBJ
7) Reagan
8) Carter
9) Ford
10) Nixon
11) George W. Bush
 
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Go back and re-read. I said the best "Republican president of the last 50 years", which (of course) still puts him far down the list of the "best" in the last 50 years...
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Here's how I'd rank them, BTW...

1) Obama
2) Clinton
3) JFK
4) Eisenhower (okay, I'll go just a bit past 50 years)
5)) George H.W. Bush
6) LBJ
7) Reagan
8) Carter
9) Ford
10) Nixon
11) George W. Bush
Lol, Obama at number one? For what? Ordering the drone bombing of children? Extending the NSA's powers? Indefinite detention?
 
W built a ton of goodwill after 9/11 and had a chance to do huge things for the country. We had a small window of opportunity to strive for some bipartisan solutions to big problems. He blew it.
You think the war wasn't bi-partisan?
 
Go back and re-read. I said the best "Republican president of the last 50 years", which (of course) still puts him far down the list of the "best" in the last 50 years...
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Here's how I'd rank them, BTW...

1) Obama
2) Clinton
3) JFK
4) Eisenhower (okay, I'll go just a bit past 50 years)
5)) George H.W. Bush
6) LBJ
7) Reagan
8) Carter
9) Ford
10) Nixon
11) George W. Bush
Hahaha to not have Carter last in the list shows how much of a political hack you are Menace. May be the worst one on this board
 
W built a ton of goodwill after 9/11 and had a chance to do huge things for the country. We had a small window of opportunity to strive for some bipartisan solutions to big problems. He blew it.
I hadn't thought of it this way, but interesting point. I wonder if he could have really turned to immigration or entitlement reform or environment at that time and made headway.
 
I hadn't thought of it this way, but interesting point. I wonder if he could have really turned to immigration or entitlement reform or environment at that time and made headway.

He tried to reform Social Security.

I'd like my Social Security money to actually be my money.

Oh, well... that's life in the collective.
 
He tried to reform Social Security.

I'd like my Social Security money to actually be my money.

Oh, well... that's life in the collective.
But he wasn't able to get his own people to go along. Do you think the Rs would have rolled over a few years earlier? Personally I think SS should be secure and guaranteed, not your personal investment fund.
 
George W. Bush picked Dick Cheney to interview his
Vice Presidential candidates. At the end, Bush decided
that Cheney was the best man for the job. There was
something in this decision that reflected Bush's need
to supplement his lack of expertise in foreign affairs.

Of course 9/11 changed the dynamics of America's
foreign policy and Cheney stepped into the leadership
vacuum. Unfortunately, George W. Bush did not have
the personal experience that his father had in foreign
affairs.
 
George W. Bush picked Dick Cheney to interview his
Vice Presidential candidates. At the end, Bush decided
that Cheney was the best man for the job. There was
something in this decision that reflected Bush's need
to supplement his lack of expertise in foreign affairs.

Of course 9/11 changed the dynamics of America's
foreign policy and Cheney stepped into the leadership
vacuum. Unfortunately, George W. Bush did not have
the personal experience that his father had in foreign
affairs.
Only one team running has the experience to rival HW, can the Clintons count on your vote?
 
Hillary has experience in foreign policy, unfortunately it
was a bad experience for her and our nation.
 
Go back and re-read. I said the best "Republican president of the last 50 years", which (of course) still puts him far down the list of the "best" in the last 50 years...
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Here's how I'd rank them, BTW...

1) Obama
2) Clinton
3) JFK
4) Eisenhower (okay, I'll go just a bit past 50 years)
5)) George H.W. Bush
6) LBJ
7) Reagan
8) Carter
9) Ford
10) Nixon
11) George W. Bush
Jimmies were rustled with this post lol
 
You're goddamn right he did, and this is all posturing to clear the Bush name in the interest of getting Jeb a chance. That's all this is.
Do you really think either Bush 1 or 2 are smart enough to think this would help Jeb? I surely don't. If what you say is even remotely true, it must have come from Jeb's handlers.
 
Do you really think either Bush 1 or 2 are smart enough to think this would help Jeb? I surely don't. If what you say is even remotely true, it must have come from Jeb's handlers.
Then you're a f'n idiot. You do realize that Bush Sr. Is without a doubt the most qualified and accomplished President we have had in the last few decades correct? He graduated from Yale, was a Naval officer and pilot in WW2, former CEO of Zapata Petroleum, former director of CIA, former, Chief Liason to China, Former head of the RNC, US Ambassador to the UN, former US House representative, former director of the Council on Foreign Relations, former chairman of First National Bank, former Vice President and then onto President.

So don't tell me that he's not smart enough to come up with a little bit of political strategy. You're going to question a man with that resume? Just because you're too thick to see that, doesn't mean he is.
 
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