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*****Election day 2023 thread*****

Honestly these doom and gloom polls do the Dems a favor. They make sure the Dems scratch and claw for every vote. Personally I like seeing the polls predict the Dems losing super close races.
I wasn't worried when the NYT trash came out which is why I avoided the thread. All about results.
 
Rs have waaaaaaaaaaaaay overstepped their bounds. Abortion, book banning, Trump. Voters, in general, are tired of the crap Rs keep giving them whenever they get put in charge.
If more people would figure this out we could have a happier country. If only Biden would sit down with some Republicans and figure out the border, together, so everyone stops crying about it.
 
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I don't care if you're left, right, or in the middle...someone asked what is the bigger problem in the usa and my response in that thread is applicable here.

This country is boiling. ...and I don't care who's to blame or more to blame, blah blah blah. I don't walk up to a person in a MAGA hat and start berating them despite what I may think of their voting choice. If everyone was forced to wear either a Team Blue or Team Red shirt, there'd be brawls in the street and an almost constant. It's sad.

 
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I don't care if you're left, right, or in the middle...someone asked what is the bigger problem in the usa and my response in that thread is applicable here.

This country is boiling. ...and I don't care who's to blame or more to blame, blah blah blah. I don't walk up to a person in a MAGA hat and start berating them despite what I may think of their voting choice. If everyone was forced to wear either a Team Blue or Team Red shirt, there'd be brawls in the street and an almost constant. It's sad.

Lol the GOP doesn't want to govern and is all in on authoritarian rule. We need to crush this trash in elections and make it extinct then a legit conservative party loyal to our 2 party system can join the democrats in governing and strengthening our democratic institutions.
 
Lol the GOP doesn't want to govern and is all in on authoritarian rule. We need to crush this trash in elections and make it extinct then a legit conservative party loyal to our 2 party system can join the democrats in governing and strengthening our democratic institutions.
Ones who think just like you.
 
I still believe it's because the people who answer these phone polls are old farts and of course it's going to skew towards trump.
Yeah, pollsters probably only calling people who still have landlines. I mean, who still has a landline other than your angry old grandparents?

 
Goddamn you’re stupid. You’re a naïve simpleton thinker. You’re as wrong as you can be. Actually pay attention and get off your BS narratives.
Cut him some slack. There is a lot of residual meth in his brain.
 
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Yeah, pollsters probably only calling people who still have landlines. I mean, who still has a landline other than your angry old grandparents?

Yep my grandpa is the only person I know who still has a landline besides businesses. I'm 40 and there is no way they are catching anyone in my generation and they definitely aren't hitting up the younger generation. Those polls are worthless
 
Just had a politics conversation with my brainwashed MAGA mother in law. I normally don’t talk politics in company but she kept pushing and pushing and asking me questions, so I finally answered. I told her it’d be a long time before I ever even consider voting for a Republican, and certainly not before dumping Trump and moving past the MAGA nonsense.

Among other things, she believes Trump is being railroaded and bears no fault whatsoever for Jan 6 and thinks the election was likely stolen. She regurgitates FOX soundbites constantly.

It is so sad and mind-boggling how lost they are.
 
Just had a politics conversation with my brainwashed MAGA mother in law. I normally don’t talk politics in company but she kept pushing and pushing and asking me questions, so I finally answered. I told her it’d be a long time before I ever even consider voting for a Republican, and certainly not before dumping Trump and moving past the MAGA nonsense.

Among other things, she believes Trump is being railroaded and bears no fault whatsoever for Jan 6 and thinks the election was likely stolen. She regurgitates FOX soundbites constantly.

It is so sad and mind-boggling how lost they are.
So pathetic. Sorry to hear this
 
I’m used to it. It’s my entire extended family and same for my wife. The older cohort is MAGA to the core. Sad and disappointing.

But our kids and the younger nieces and nephews reject that garbage. So there’s hope!
I have some cousins only and a few prior close friends but mostly my peeps are residing on Earth 1.
 
So, fun already here in VA:



Having spent the morning listening to the Scotus argument about denying 2A rights to people who are a danger based on civil commitment orders, this fellow strikes me as a prime target. (BTW, Hurtt is actually a nice fellow who doesn't get in people's faces; the guy was ranting when he went in, so Hurtt record when he came out). Also, you will all be pleased to know that my friend wrote in my name to be Commonwealth Attorney in place of our current Soros designee, Teresa ****ing-Asshole.

Speaking of the scotus argument, Some interesting nuggets from 2A argument...
- SG: 2A right can be curtailed if not "law abiding" (felony) or "responsible" (squishier); failure to store properly would constitute basis for precluding ownership under the latter
- CJ concern about potential breadth of 'responsibility'; SG says it's focused specifically on responsibility w/r/t firearm use or "dangerousness"
- ACB notes that domestic violence would seem to be satisfy dangerousness, and notes that specific factual predicate of dangerousness in the record
- KJB asking some cagey questions about dom violence protective orders which I suspect are actually designed to suggest that it doesn't even take dangerousness, even though she's not showing her cards
- SA asking about expiration/rights to challenge protective orders; SG says no federal rights, only state rights, and that curtailment only lasts as long as the protective order

[had to break for a call, but no hunter biden references yet!]

- Defendant counsel (fed public defender) emphasizes facial challenge; as I listen to this argument, it seems to me that he is probably not the ideal person to be doing this argument "for" the 2A; relatively poor preparation and confusing the court; he is definitely no Paul Clement
- NG asking about due process associated with protective order and counsel is fumbling
- EK asks if argument around facial challenge is simply that the G has to show a historical antecedent specific to domestic violence, per Bruen; counsel waffles and she ultimately says he seems to be running away from his argument
- SA seems to ask if in reality he's arguing that only the felony is really a disqualifier, and counsel argues no because it depends on whether the possession would result in serious penalties/danger
- SS asks about mental illness; counsel suggests yes
- BK asks whether, if he wins, the background check system would need to be modified; oddly, he says not necessarily, because state laws picked up by the system might have an allowable prohibition (which seems really weird to me) and because acquisition and possession may be different constitutionally

As much as people like to suggest that the court is in the bag on various issues, including guns, I'm pretty sure the G wins this one, for two reasons. First, there's enough of them who are still very cognizant of the real practical risks of dangerous people having guns. Second, counsel did a poor enough job imo that it would simply be too much heavy lifting on their own part to create a rule. I suspect what you'll get is something that says basically that if a person has been determined to create a risk of violence though a legal proceeding, they can have their 2A rights curtailed consistent with that risk.
I didn't get a chance to listen to the argument yet, but this is some interesting overview. You should start a SCOTUS mega thread for discussion of arguments, opinions, cert petitions, etc. You'd have a least one loyal follower in me, and I think there are some other court watching nerds around here who would be interested as well.
 
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