But he barely lost in Texas. That's practically a win.
Elizabeth Warren takes big move toward 2020 presidential run
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But he barely lost in Texas. That's practically a win.
Beto came way closer in Tx than he should have. As i said that ticket would do well
Most Americans would sign up for that if they were ever allowed to hear it.
No, it's not. His lies are well documented. How can you blindly deny what is right in front of your face?
When you argue with an idiot, evidence and reason have no bearing. There is no point in engaging.
Yeah - because we are talking about Democrats - where that sort of thing can actually be held against you.
He has a chance to prove himself starting about now. He got a lot of folks excited in TX. Can he do the same in the Dem primaries for prez?
I doubt she made up a family tale just to list herself like that. Believe it or not there other families out there with this sort of handed down story about Native American ancestors. Perhaps she should have checked it out more with whatever type of research was available then.
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There is a strong correlation between the winner of the popular vote and the winner of the electoral college, for obvious reasons.
Further, Huey specifically pointed to the divergence between the two and what it would take to overcome it.
As such, your response seems obtuse.
he got us all to realize he was a joke. I hope to heck the dems run him for sure!
What I am saying, based on what Politifact uncovered from conversations with her family members, is that the family did not consider themselves to be Native American, and that she did not consider herself to be Native American. They ranged from having never heard such stories, to they heard there was a tiny amount of Native American blood. This suggests that she used the stories as inspiration to make herself look more like a diversity choice. Whether or not she ever actually benefited from it is irrelevant, it seems obvious to me that she lied, and she knew she was lying.
Oh good, another 12 year old comment from the loser president. Good country we have going right now.
What a shining example for our children.
I read what you said and that's similar to my recollection and my feeling about the situation except for one important thing: what lie?
It seems true that there were family stories.
It's clear now that there is some genetic basis for those stories (not withstanding the right's efforts to distort what the tests showed).
Even if the tests did not show any genetic basis, so what if she believed the family stories were true? But since the tests did show a link, why is this even an issue?
She truthfully answered questions about her belief that she had some NA ancestry.
Those answers may or may not have benefited her. But since the answers were true, so what?
As I said, based on interviews with her family, she did not and does not consider herself to be Native American. Hence, when she chose to mark that box she was lying.
As I also said, my own family does not have vague stories of distance ancestors; we have a specific woman - my great grandmother - who was supposedly Cherokee and for whom I actually possess a couple of photos. This would make me 1/8th Cherokee. However, since I do not know with certainty whether or not it is valid, I wouldn't dream of checking the "Native American" box for race.
As lies go, this isn't a huge one. But it's a very disappointing one.
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Maybe I misunderstand your question. She filled-out some educational background form and selected "Native American" for race. According to Politifact she likely did that on three different occasions. That's a lot different than saying "I believe I have some Native American ancestors", which a fairly large % of all Americans could say.
Do you really think anyone had Turd pegged in December 2014? It's a long time out.
That’s it. While Trump is a piece of work many people have no faith in politicians and/or their party and view them as crooked, bought and paid for. So voters cling to a position or two (like trade or immigration) and hitch their wagon.
Yeah, it may come down to the actual wording of those options. If she claimed more than I think she claimed, then I would be surprised, but maybe that happened.
I'm picturing questions along the lines of "do you have any Native American ancestry." Which it sounds to me like should would have been perfectly correct to check or answer yes.
I think with a primary field that big, the mud slinging will be epic. I’m also interested to who comes out as no one will be unscathed.
well I did the moment he came down the escalator but when was that? I know it's a long way out but warren and castro are not the answer. well, if they are the answer i'm glad cause trump will win.
Can the Dems sink lower than the Rs did?
I think that may take a Trump type.
I mean guys like Cruz and Rubio jumped right into the cesspool, but would they have without Trump?
Do the Dems have a Trump type?
I bet they eat each other, let’s not fool ourselves into thinking there is honor between thieves. They each want the seat and you will see civility leave rather quickly.
My guess is she got the ball rolling and the universities perhaps promoted her more than she did herself (but she maybe didn’t ask any questions and didn’t do much to correct the record). So a mixed bag. But there’s enough there that she felt compelled to make that weird video that just made the issue worse. From Snopes:
“The legitimacy of Warren’s claims to Native American heritage has certainly been challenged by many critics, and it is true that while Warren was at U. Penn. Law School she put herself on the “Minority Law Teacher” list as Native American) in the faculty directory of the Association of American Law Schools, and that Harvard Law School at one time promoted Warren as a Native American faculty member. But specific evidence that she gained her position at Harvard (at least in part) through her claims to Native American heritage is lacking. Warren denied applying for special consideration as a person of Native American heritage during her career, and when the matter was examined in 2012 in response to Brown’s claims, people with whom Warren had worked similarly denied her ancestral background’s factoring into the professional opportunities afforded her:
The former chairman of the American Association of Law Schools, David Bernstein, told the Herald that the group’s directory once served as a tip sheet for administrators. “In the old days before the Internet, you’d pull out the AALS directory and look up people,” he said. “There are schools that, if they were looking for a minority faculty member, would go to that list and might say, ‘I didn’t know Elizabeth Warren was a minority.'”Warren said she didn’t know Harvard had used her heritage as proof of diversity until reading about the issue in the news, according to a Herald report. She also denied that she ever tried to gain a professional advantage through her lineage.
Warren responded she was recruited for the positions and did not “apply” for them; and for the most part, her record did not indicate any identification as part of a minority group:
The Globe obtained a portion of Warren’s application to Rutgers, which asks if prospective students want to apply for admission under the school’s Program for Minority Group Students. Warren answered “no.”For her employment documents at the University of Texas, Warren indicated that she was “white.”
But Penn’s 2005 Minority Equity Report identified her as the recipient of a 1994 faculty award, listing her name in bold to signify that she was a minority.
The Herald has twice quoted Charles Fried, the head of the Harvard appointing committee that recommended Warren for her position in 1995, saying that the Democratic candidate’s heritage didn’t come up during the course of her hiring. “It simply played no role in the appointments process,” he said. “It was not mentioned and I didn’t mention it to the faculty.”
The Herald later quoted Fried, a former U.S. Solicitor General under President Ronald Reagan, saying, “I can state categorically that the subject of her Native American ancestry never once was mentioned.”
“The legitimacy of Warren’s claims to Native American heritage has certainly been challenged by many critics, and it is true that while Warren was at U. Penn. Law School she put herself on the “Minority Law Teacher” list as Native American) in the faculty directory of the Association of American Law Schools, and that Harvard Law School at one time promoted Warren as a Native American faculty member. But specific evidence that she gained her position at Harvard (at least in part) through her claims to Native American heritage is lacking. Warren denied applying for special consideration as a person of Native American heritage during her career, and when the matter was examined in 2012 in response to Brown’s claims, people with whom Warren had worked similarly denied her ancestral background’s factoring into the professional opportunities afforded her:
The former chairman of the American Association of Law Schools, David Bernstein, told the Herald that the group’s directory once served as a tip sheet for administrators. “In the old days before the Internet, you’d pull out the AALS directory and look up people,” he said. “There are schools that, if they were looking for a minority faculty member, would go to that list and might say, ‘I didn’t know Elizabeth Warren was a minority.'”Warren said she didn’t know Harvard had used her heritage as proof of diversity until reading about the issue in the news, according to a Herald report. She also denied that she ever tried to gain a professional advantage through her lineage.
Warren responded she was recruited for the positions and did not “apply” for them; and for the most part, her record did not indicate any identification as part of a minority group:
The Globe obtained a portion of Warren’s application to Rutgers, which asks if prospective students want to apply for admission under the school’s Program for Minority Group Students. Warren answered “no.”For her employment documents at the University of Texas, Warren indicated that she was “white.”
But Penn’s 2005 Minority Equity Report identified her as the recipient of a 1994 faculty award, listing her name in bold to signify that she was a minority.
The Herald has twice quoted Charles Fried, the head of the Harvard appointing committee that recommended Warren for her position in 1995, saying that the Democratic candidate’s heritage didn’t come up during the course of her hiring. “It simply played no role in the appointments process,” he said. “It was not mentioned and I didn’t mention it to the faculty.”
The Herald later quoted Fried, a former U.S. Solicitor General under President Ronald Reagan, saying, “I can state categorically that the subject of her Native American ancestry never once was mentioned.”
The Turd sure didn't tweet this. No way he can spell words over 4 letters.
man that hurtstalk about brain washed.[/QUOTE
Like anyone would come to you for advice.
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