That's what the men's basketball team has become. A laughable farce. Add the nil and we are doomed.
Endless Humiliation
- Thread starter GOHOX69
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Yeah I’m not sure what would come about with Iowa basketball in the future with NIL and Fran. I feel confident with Iowa football and NIL because we are a national brand with great fans but not so much with basketball.
We have reached Frans limits here. He has been great and brought us out of the dumpster. If he couldn’t get it done the last couple of years then I don’t foresee him getting it done in this new landscape with the roster he has built for the future. It’s time for a change if we want to stay competitive in basketball.
We have reached Frans limits here. He has been great and brought us out of the dumpster. If he couldn’t get it done the last couple of years then I don’t foresee him getting it done in this new landscape with the roster he has built for the future. It’s time for a change if we want to stay competitive in basketball.
I agree with all of this but Iowa has to invest in the basketball program. No matter who you hire you have to give him the resources to be competitive with NIL. Otherwise, Fran is probably as good as it gets.
With that said, Iowa needs to move on from Fran. His teams will never play defense at a level needed to sustain success.
I think we can do better. His in game coaching has held us back many times through the years. The no coaching of defense is just infuriating and always coming up short because of it makes it worse. Now with that being said Fran is a very good at developing long 4s and 3s and is an above average recruiter imo. I feel we can get a better coach and someone that is on par with his recruiting.
I agree with moving on from Fran for the reasons I laid out. His teams are soft and don’t defend. That hasn’t changed in thirteen years.
My point is no coach is going to have a chance at taking Iowa to the “next level” without NIL resources.
I still think he has something positive to offer but am getting frustrated. Tale of 2 halves tonight.
I may be overly attached to Fran for bringing basketball back for me. Lickliter just caused me to much pain to follow like i want to.
Does Iowa keep Fran long enough to get his youngest son on campus and see what the results are then, or does it cut ties sooner? I understand the “move on” sentiment, but like with Ferentz, I think he needs to be given at least one more year now that the Swarm is fully active to see who he can bring in and what results he can produce with them. I took for granted making the tournament almost every year of my childhood. I’d give almost anything to just be in the round of 32 consistently again.
Keep giving him as many years as you want. Just reduce the prices on the soft serve. That's why I and my lady friend attend. And rancid nachos.
Fran had teams with 2-3 borderline nba players and full time nba players.
He didn’t do very much with that. So that’s his top line.
He is very underwhelming as coach. He should thank Todd Licklighter every time he gets paid. That era keeps him employed.
He didn’t do very much with that. So that’s his top line.
He is very underwhelming as coach. He should thank Todd Licklighter every time he gets paid. That era keeps him employed.
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Truth. Todd Lickliter is the greatest thing that ever happened to the McCaffrey family.
I feel this too, I was a student during Alford and a season ticket holder during Licks last two years. 6 years of mostly garbage with some very fleeting bright spots. So, this century, this is when the gettin’s been good and I can’t take that away from Fran. I always feel like I have a super long leash with him.
With the shit show that possibly could last for years, to get fans back into Carver, prices of tickets and food will have to be about halved, plus other incentives will have to be dangled at the students to put their butts in Carver.
There's going to be a ton of pressure put on next years recruiting class to bring respectability back to the basketball program.
Patrick, Sandford, Ahron, Tony, Dix, Bowen, are not anywhere near the players that Iowa needs to dig itself our of the bottom of the Big Ten and Mulvey better turn himself into a Frank Kaminski if he wants to see time on the court next year. Amarion Nimmers better become the next a smaller version of...well I leave that up to him. Otherwise Fran better find tough defensive mined players that can also put points on the board, but so far he as shown no stomach to find players that might be better then his "Prized Recruits".
Only 10 more weeks to watch Kris Murray this years, before he's off to make money in whatever professional arena he'll ends up in and as for Connor, I assume he'll end up on Fran's coaching staff at some point, Rebraca will maybe get some looks by the G League or over seas and who knows what players will have enough of Fran to jump to the portal which might not be a bad thing.
Disappointing season to be sure, since I know that this time of the year is what I look forward to every year.
Already looking forward to this years golfing season, but still have my Moline Maroons to hopefully get to the finals of the this years Illinois State tournament.
Too be determined.....
There's going to be a ton of pressure put on next years recruiting class to bring respectability back to the basketball program.
Patrick, Sandford, Ahron, Tony, Dix, Bowen, are not anywhere near the players that Iowa needs to dig itself our of the bottom of the Big Ten and Mulvey better turn himself into a Frank Kaminski if he wants to see time on the court next year. Amarion Nimmers better become the next a smaller version of...well I leave that up to him. Otherwise Fran better find tough defensive mined players that can also put points on the board, but so far he as shown no stomach to find players that might be better then his "Prized Recruits".
Only 10 more weeks to watch Kris Murray this years, before he's off to make money in whatever professional arena he'll ends up in and as for Connor, I assume he'll end up on Fran's coaching staff at some point, Rebraca will maybe get some looks by the G League or over seas and who knows what players will have enough of Fran to jump to the portal which might not be a bad thing.
Disappointing season to be sure, since I know that this time of the year is what I look forward to every year.
Already looking forward to this years golfing season, but still have my Moline Maroons to hopefully get to the finals of the this years Illinois State tournament.
Too be determined.....
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We have two players that belong on a BIG Ten team that being Murray and Rebraca. Everyone else should be leaving in the portal. Jelly, Mulvey and Ulis are a waste of scholarships and Patrick is a lanky turnover in the making. Honestly I am ready to move on from the fsmily ties in Iowa football and basketball.
Well, by than he would leave for retirement, not because of his record.
It's clear to me anyway that Fran has a minimum of 2 1/2 to 6 seasons left. Two more dismal seasons (and next year looks like a rebuild unless Fran hits the portal with great success) like this one and Barta may be forced to make a move. The buyout should be palatable at that point.
"Give him one more year". How many years have we been hearing this from fans? The program is not going to get better. It's just not. Fran isn't suddenly going to become a better in-game coach. He isn't suddenly going to sign decent point guards. His team isn't suddenly going to start playing defense.
Lickliter was the worst thing that could possibly happen to University of Iowa athletics. There are now a good portion of fans who are absolutely TERRIFIED of a coaching change. They are convinced that if Fran (or Kirk) leave it is a 100% certainty the program will fall apart and become a bottom feeder. They are willing to accept mediocrity or slightly above average out of fear that "it could be worse". They have talked themselves into thinking Iowa can't possibly get better recruits, and that no good coach would ever come here.
And they have the same tired arguments......."Remember what happened when they ran Tom Davis out of town", and "Name all the good coaches who would come to Iowa".
I realize Fran will never be fired, and he won't retire for several more years. Personally, I am ready for a change. He brought Iowa basketball back from the abyss and I will be forever grateful. But the program has become stale and fans are not coming to games. There is no excitement over Iowa basketball.
It's time for someone new.
Lickliter was the worst thing that could possibly happen to University of Iowa athletics. There are now a good portion of fans who are absolutely TERRIFIED of a coaching change. They are convinced that if Fran (or Kirk) leave it is a 100% certainty the program will fall apart and become a bottom feeder. They are willing to accept mediocrity or slightly above average out of fear that "it could be worse". They have talked themselves into thinking Iowa can't possibly get better recruits, and that no good coach would ever come here.
And they have the same tired arguments......."Remember what happened when they ran Tom Davis out of town", and "Name all the good coaches who would come to Iowa".
I realize Fran will never be fired, and he won't retire for several more years. Personally, I am ready for a change. He brought Iowa basketball back from the abyss and I will be forever grateful. But the program has become stale and fans are not coming to games. There is no excitement over Iowa basketball.
It's time for someone new.
Iowa State goes from 0-18 in their conference to sweet16 the next year with a 1st year coach and Fran took Iowa from 4-14 B1G season under Lickliter to 4-14 in B1G his 1st season and you think Fran somehow was a miracle worker? He in inherited Gatens (Alford recruit) and Devyn Marble (lickliter recruit)---both those guys made All B1G teams for Fran and were large part of the turn around. Both were Iowa legacies and all Iowa had to do was hire a coach that wasn't Lickliter to keep them.
Fran is not going to be fired, but it is nauseating to hear the narrative that Fran saved Iowa basketball after lickliter. Fran McCaffery has become legendary coach with middling results.
These are the kind of seasons we have with Fran...and then it gets spun to Fran being the savior of Iowa basketball.
Her is how Fran described the 2019 season
Fran McCaffery: 10-10 Big Ten record is “tremendous”
Iowa’s loss to Nebraska handed Iowa its 10th conference loss of the season, putting the Hawkeyes at 10-10.
There's no such thing as a rebuild year in the portal era, now that term is just an excuse for guys like Fran who strike out in the portal
If next year is a dud, I wonder if Fran would pull an Alford and start looking for a new spot on his own.
Patrick will be done, Jack won't have started, it could be the right time?
14 years is a ridiculously long time in this day to stay at 1 spot.
There's a pretty good chance Carver will be half full for much of the remainder of the season.
Bringing in multiple impact transfers this off season should be the bare minimum requirement.
If that doesn't happen then there's really no hope for future anything because that's how the game is now played.
You have to buy transfers every year now.
I distinctly remember that day. I don’t care what conference you’re in. Going .500 is not “tremendous” if you have any sort of expectations for your basketball program.
Very true. The inference is that the Swarm NIL is adequately funded to do so. This is critical for us to be competitive.
Anybody know for sure that is the case?
I have no idea.
I was assuming Iowa can now offer something vs the nothing they had before but I really don't know.
I have a hard time relating to a group of grown men suffering "endless humiliation" when the college basketball team they follow loses to another slightly better team on the road.
Once ok, twice ok, having a consistently shit product for more than a decade....that's different.
Step 1 should be to get rid of the incompetent AD & hire someone that has some expectations for UI athletics.
Then Fran might decide to look elsewhere on his own ala Alford.
Then Fran might decide to look elsewhere on his own ala Alford.
The swarm is definitely not meeting its goals for money. I donate and let them do the split of football and basketball. Seems like they have a great system going there. I think with the football portal gets from this year the swarm may get a boost as fans realize how important it is for hopefully a short period of time until we get a system of checks and balances for the schools and athletes.
I agree but i think, and this is just my opinion, we lost at least 1 big man from the portal last season because we didn't have the nil. Would love to see a center and a 1-2 gaurd next portal season.
Realistically its impossible to beat competition that is paying when you aren't.
It doesn't get any simpler than that.
Yes. I tgought 10 million was the goal for the firsr year which is in a handful of months.we are short from what ive heard at least 5 million. But since proctor got his giant nil deal donations have picked up. Gary ie texashawk is the man concerning the swarm.
