Endless Humiliation
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Thats me with nacho chili dip on football games! LolThis. This is the correct response.
I'm just here ... uh, pass the popcorn.
It's literally Fran's job to do exactly that. And damn near every other non blue blood coach as well. Sometimes you get lucky and a good prospect will grow up a fan of your program, but you can't rely on that.
So, I'm sorry, but the "it's hard" excuse doesn't move the needle. It's hard for everybody. But that's the game. And that's why coaches make the money that they do. If a coach thinks it's too hard, then get a different line of work.
Not getting any additional players via the portal, this past summer, was a failure on Fran's part. No two ways about it. Now, I'm sure people can cite all kinds of circumstances and reasons why, and maybe they're even legitimate, but at the end of the day, Fran failed at his job, by not signing anyone.
Tennessee suposedly paid Estrella 30k, Iowa countered with 0 as far as I understand it. The big kid that went to TT also got a large sum of money promised.
Im not a big Fran guy and would sign up for DeVries any time but how on earth could anyone be expected to win that player?
Thats like going to a gun fight with a rock.
Maybe he's setting sights too high I don't know?
But my suspicion is Barta is a bigger problem than Fran in this new world of recruiting.
That's a great question. Maybe he is. But choosing the players to go after is also his responsibility. It's his job to know when to bail on someone that he has no chance at, and move on to someone that he does.
They don't give awards for finishing second in recruiting battles.
Recruiting is a cutthroat business and at the end of the day, it doesn't matter why you don't land a player. It only matters that you didn't. And don't get me wrong, it's not easy to bring them in. It's got to be hard as hell. But that's the job that Fran gets paid to do. And this off season, he failed at his job.
I believe he was referring to the basketball team being humiliated, not him personally.
People really need to start reading , and not twist things to suit their personal bias.
It wasn’t during the last offseason where we lost recruits because of $$$. However, that has changed now. No more excuses, Fran.
TBF, OP is always overly dramatic about everything.
But it does matter why. And I say that as someone who is ready for a coaching change right now.
If everyone else is pounding nails with hammers and you're trying to do it with the palm of your hand it matters that you didn't have a hammer.
In reality you can't hire a guy and expect a job to get done if you are withholding the tools to do the job.
If the results don't change now that Fran has some tools, and I'm not sure they will, its time to go and theres no arguments left.
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Building a team and keeping players for four or five years is out the window. Look at Iowa State, granted they’ve been a better program than iowa for the past 15 years, but they seemed set for a really good team this year with Hunter and Brockington leading the team. Both of those guys end up leaving with eligibility left. Iowa State had to reload and have done pretty well.
I don't trust the AD to make a good hire. AD needs to go first.
Fran is a mid major coach that won the lottery.
Power conference with a big budget….. if you don’t have an elite 8 appearance or 4 sweet 16’s in a decade you show them the door.
Power conference with a big budget….. if you don’t have an elite 8 appearance or 4 sweet 16’s in a decade you show them the door.
Yep, its free agency every offseason now until someone or something steps in and puts rules back in place.
You have to assume roster turnover will happen every year.
No it doesn't matter. Because regardless of if you have a hammer or just the palm of your hand, you are still expected to build a sturdy house. And there are other builders out there, who have the same tools as Fran does, who have proven that they can get that house built.
Do you really think TJ Otzelbooger has more resources than Fran? And he has brought in plenty of transfers.
Fran, coming off multiple years Garza and Keegan excellence, has done exactly what with that cachet? In my opinion, when it comes to the transfer portal, Fran has been hammering nails with his palm because he either refuses to pick up a hammer, or doesn't know which end to hit with. Neither option is acceptable for a Power conference coach in 2023.
So if I understand this correctly you are seriously trying to tell me that whether or not Iowa can pay transfers doesn't matter? When the competition can and is?
If you think that is true you're an idiot.
Its the number one factor. By far.
I don't give a sh1t what your expectations are im just telling you how it is in real life.
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It’s Fran’s 13 th year here. I agree with many of the posters; he has taken the program as far as he is capable. Come on. We do nothing with Garza who really should have been POY two consecutive years. We win the BIG tournament and then tank in the dance. Post season had become more of a joke than regular season play. Placed 2nd in the NIT in Fran’s second year. Have reached the round 32 four times. And Carver has become a morgue. Ironically, players from opposing schools have said the only reason its hard to win at Carver is it’s too quiet. Seriously. Fran has recruited some really nice players that had length and sound offensive skills. But most of them are very soft mentally. We get “out toughed” by teams with lesser ability, namely Wisconsin, Purdue. Anybody that bodies us up defensively and plays physical us a disaster for Fran’s teams. That’s why I was so excited about Joe Toussaint. He brought that toughness that I haven’t seen at Iowa for a long time. Why he had such a short leash, I’ll never understand. And why Joe stuck around so long…well, it was a pity to see that young man riding the bench. Fran had grossly mismanaged his guards. He also is a very average bench coach. Doesn’t seem to have a feel for individual games and that is reflected by his rotations.
He brought the program up to respectability, but he has worn out his stay. But, my guess we might have another 6-7 years of Fran. If that’s the case, I’ll look forward to a couple more wins the tourney. Pretty much sucks.
He brought the program up to respectability, but he has worn out his stay. But, my guess we might have another 6-7 years of Fran. If that’s the case, I’ll look forward to a couple more wins the tourney. Pretty much sucks.
I'm saying that regardless of Iowa's NIL resources, Fran is still judged by the results he's able to achieve on the court. It doesn't matter if the Nebraska collective has more money than Iowa's, because at the end of the day, NIL money isn't the measure of success, Wins and Losses are. So if he's going to strike out at a primary method of acquiring talent, it doesn't matter if Iowa can offer less money than Tennessee or Texas Tech. It only matters if failing to add that talent impacts his ability to win games, and this year, it sure appears that it has. That's real life. Nobody cares about a sob story about why someone failed to deliver. The results are what matter.
That's all fine but none of that has anything to do with what I was saying.
Im not tying to tell you how to judge Fran, I don't care how Fran is judged by fans, that changes nothing. His job is up to an AD that doesn't care all that much about results.
My point is that Fran has to get transfers starting next year or the program is dead on its feet.
It wasn't going to happen without NIL money. Period.
Rarely if ever will a program be a serious contender for anything in college basketball without winning in the free agent transfer game going forward.
If he is now not able to consistently bring in transfers theres no hope for successful seasons here on out.
Next year should be all his boss needs to see to evaluate how this is going to work.
Obviously no one should have any faith in Barta to make the right moves but it will be obvious to everyone one way or the other.
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What about all the years before NIL? Fran, sucks. He's not the answer.
Fair enough. I'd argue that the opinion of the fans does mean something, but that's beside the point.
My point is that a coach is hired to bring in talent, and win games with the resources that are available. Plenty of other schools are in the same spot or worse than Fran, and they have not had the same struggles in the portal, and ultimately, the success or failure in that realm is at the feet of the coach. All of the periphery obstacles and disadvantages fade away in the end. Only the results matter.
When did I say he was?
Obviously you haven't been reading along.
Im not a Fran guy, hes clearly at his ceiling because how he approaches defense and I'd be fine if he left tomorrow.
Doesn't change anything in regards to the fact that you have to pay to get transfers.
I don't understand what one has to do with the other?
I don't think Fran has seriously even gone after transfers until the last two years.
He should have been but he's too stubborn.
But now its hopefully dawned on him that anyone can leave at any time with no repercussions and that is the new normal.
Loyalty doesn't work, players are getting paid, its become low level professional ball and should be approached as such.
Frans inability to recruit the PG and Center positions is well documented.
His “stepford wives” approach to having a team full of 6’7” white kids can only take you so far, and it doesn’t take you anywhere in the NCAA tournament.
His “stepford wives” approach to having a team full of 6’7” white kids can only take you so far, and it doesn’t take you anywhere in the NCAA tournament.
And how good sir did they perform in the NCAA? No one gives a crap about a tournament with tepid teams.
lol
We were one out-of-your-ass bank shot away from going home early....but now we're some sort of established power...smh.
Talk about fools gold. Alford won TWO of those cash grab weekend tourneys in half the time it took Fran to win one. Look...it's a nice accomplishment but if that's the crown jewel in your body of work after 13 years on the job...well...that's the very definition of bucket of warm spit mediocre.
This isn't the off topic board. I guess it's too much to ask for people to be civil.
JFC man I know the poster to whom I’m giving shit, personally, and just having fun with him and his reemergence. Is that okay with you? I sure do hope so. Would be hard to continue posting without your full approval.
Well good sir, I don't really give a crap about the end of season single elimination "dance",... In order of value I rank the entire season in this order:
1. Big 10 conference play
2. Big 10 tournament
3. NCAA tournament
4. Preseason
Others have answered you on your metrics. Fran could go 0'fer and there are people like you who would love it. They always exist but hopefully, you are in the minority and a change can happen. Am I hopeful with an idiot like Barta in charge? Hell no but by then Iowa Men's Basketball will be a joke and that means cheap-ass soft-serve and more rancid nachos for moi.
This is the kind of BS that should be banned. We don't need to read this crap. Go find another team and another board.
