Your lady friend should try a real man on for size if all you’re giving her is soft serve…..😎
Endless Humiliation
- Thread starter GOHOX69
- Start date
Preexisting mutually-recognized douchiness. The ties that bind….
Fran can afford to send his last son to anywhere he wants to go in the nation. The desperate need for reformation of Iowa basketball can't wait.
How the heck am I supposed to know that? Especially considering the way you post on the off topic board.
This stuff just gets tiring. It gets harder and harder to have civil discussions anymore.
Maybe relax a little. Don’t be so easily triggered. This is like a barber shop, bro. Expect some ribbing, some trash talking, some name-calling, and consider most of the time it is not even remotely personal.
And for fück sakes, don’t bother trying to police it.
Good natured ribbing and trash talking is fine. It's when people call others names because they have a different opinion that gets old. And most of the time it IS personal.
But whatever. People are gonna do what they are gonna do.
Carry on.
You said "If he couldn't get it done the last couple of years...". We won the BTT last year, beating on consecutive nights 3 NCAA tourney teams - Rutgers, Indiana and Purdue - if I recall. You sound like someone who will never to happy.
I'll share with you what I just shared with another on this forum. We won the BTT last year, for goodness sake! That's a "shit product"???
The ultimate goal is the NCAA tourney and he hasn’t gotten it done with great talent. I was pumped for the BTT championship and high expectations in the tourney. But it’s a Fran led team and they didn’t get it done in the tournament
It was nice, but a 3-4 game tournament win after 13 years is your accomplishment? Some want more.
You are most certainly in the minority with this thought - not just here or as an Iowa fan base, but the national perspective.
The “single elimination dance” is what makes a team / season / program memorable (or not). Just the way it is.
You place more emphasis on the B10 Tournament than you do the NCAA Tournament? Interesting.
A great regular season is worth something, but 99% of sports fans (and probably also the players and coaches) will tell you that the NCAA Tournament is what it's all about. Even the regular season is all about building your tournament resume. A regular season Big 10 title would be nice to have, though.
Winning the BTT was fun, but to me, conference tournaments are not much more than just one last gasp for bubble teams or those on the outside looking in, to make some noise and steal an NCAA invite, or to maybe build your tournament resume a little more.
Last edited:
I'm not gonna go into all of Fran's positives, but a .500 or better record in the BIG 9 of the last 10 years is pretty damn good IMO. We all would like Sweet 16s and Elite 8s and Final 4s. Perhaps they're coming. Good recruiting class coming in, and maybe the athletic department will figure out NIL and give our coaches a fighting chance when there's a player in the portal they really want.
Yeah, but if it had been the other team that made that shot, you would be all over McCaffery for allowing them to get that shot off. You want it both ways. I'd like to see more success in the tournament. It almost seems to be a curse by now, but I enjoyed the hell out of winning 26 games, including the BTT wins against Indiana and Purdue last season, and I feel badly for any Iowa fan that didn't.
Will respectfully disagree. Wait till next year is growing old. Nil was not the issue the first 11 years. Settling for average.
Respectfully disagree that a .500 or better conference record 9 of the last 10 years is average.
Wanting to win a second round game is wanting it all? Man you have a low bar for wanting it all
Some fans could live with a decent conference record, and never winning a conference title, and perpetually flaming out in the tourney year after year after year ...forever ...and be perfectly satisfied. They just like to watch the boys develop and compete.
It blows my mind but there is absolutely nothing wrong with that. Not one thing.
Personally, I don't see the point of wasting any energy on a program like that but if enough people do....then you've got a sustainable program...so you've got that going for you....which is nice.
Last edited:
Nobody didn't enjoy it. The point is ...if a weekend money grab tourney title is the crown jewel in your 13 season long body of work, you haven't accomplished much. I don't think that's disputable.
We’re looking at a total flameout here this year and probably 2 more years to revamp and fix this. There isn’t a core to build on in this team unfortunately.
Meanwhile Fran is geriatric and is a bad recruiter. He’s also incapable of addressing his weaknesses as a coach. Fire him and move on
Meanwhile Fran is geriatric and is a bad recruiter. He’s also incapable of addressing his weaknesses as a coach. Fire him and move on
Frankly you can keep all these meaningless things. I only care about the sportsmanship our teams show.
Your last sentence is where I'm at. I've had to make a choice between living and dying for the outcome of every game, and just being a casual fan. I've chosen the latter. There just doesn't seem to be any point in the former.
I keep pointing to my signature. One Sweet 16 since 1988. None since 1999. That's not enough for me, and the signature stays until Iowa finally gets out of the first weekend of the NCAA's. I'll obviously watch and root for Iowa whenever they're in the tournament, and will follow along in the regular season to see how they're doing, and will surely catch some games, but I'm done killing myself over it.
Others are not wrong to disagree, nor do I feel I'm necessarily "right". To each their own.
Iowa hasn't had a shit product since Lick......"Endless humiliation" comes off as drama queen and snowflake type stuff. When the goin gets tough, the tough don't turn on their own.....
I support Fran and Iowa basketball.....he's a proven good coach of the program I love to follow the most. When/if the day comes where it's time for him to go, I will certainly support that. BUT, it's vital to make a common sense decision about those things.
When a coach is fired/quits/leaves for another job there is NO GUARANTEE that we find another coach that will be better. When Alford was hired, he was the hot young coaching prospect in the country. When Lick was hired he was coming off of being the National Coach of the year.
Lute....maybe the best coach we've had, came from Long Beach State????
Tom Davis was not really well known but had coached at Stanford and before that BC? Where was Bo Ryan coaching at before all of his success in Madison? Izzo was an assistant, right?
The point being, you never know if your hire is going to be successful or if he's going to completely trash the program (like Lick). SO.....I am all for hiring a great coach.....but it better damn well be a near lock to succeed or your dumping a coach who's gotten us multiple 20 win seasons and NCAA tournament appearances, as well as a BT Tournament Championship, for what? To roll the dice?
You cannot have analysis paralysis forever. Eventually, you have to pull the trigger or roll the dice.
No it was a BTT Championship that hadn't been won by Iowa in quite some time....and it was the end of a 26 win season....the second most victories in Iowa BB history! People that refer to this (JUST LAST YEAR) as a shit product either have some cognitive issues or they're trolling and trying to be a cancer within the fan base.
That's what some fans were saying about Kirk in 2014....the year before they had a 12-0 regular season. Our program is in a very good place with a very strong recruiting class coming in next year.
We shouldn't panic because of a downturn with a few bad games, injuries, and now depleted depth. It's not time to cut and run....
Agreed, the product has been anything but shit. For the most part, our teams have been pretty solid from year to year.
My whole problem is with Fran's postseason performance. Other than the NIT run in his third year, and winning the BTT last year, Fran's teams have grossly underachieved in the postseason. With better postseason success, I'd be pretty happy. I'm not talking about making Final Fours or cutting down the nets (though that would be great!). Just give me a Sweet 16 here and there.. Anything beyond that is gravy.
OH NO!!! Not multiple 20 win seasons (when 9 of those wins are against 250+ rated teams and three more are Northwestern and Minnesota)...that' so freaking impressive!!!!!
You would never want to risk regional power status like that. Lol
There's no such thing as a "near lock" you idiot.
If the new hire doesn't work, you fire the f'er and try again. The key point here is ... You TRY.
Or you watch some aging curmudgeon's sons lose games for you for another half decade.
smh....
I didn’t say it was shit. But It’s year 13. Fran has one BTT. You’re willing to settle, not all are. Always some excuse for Fran, nil , injuries, (aka no depth) blah, blah. God forbid we actually want to win the regular season Conferance, or have actual ncaa runs. And we wonder why carver doesn’t sell out.. fans voting with $$$.
I think a big part of the frustration fans have with Fran is that the reasons for the post-season “underachievings” seem blatantly obvious and universally agreed upon (not to mention consistent from year to year) yet don’t seem to be at all addressed
Yeah, same could be said for football as well as women’s basketball, which is extra maddening.
What’s more, for me at least, the perennial issues with the women’s and men’s basketball programs are similar between the two. Like Barta could, from a cost-efficiently standpoint, hire a defensive guru to help both programs.
