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Erin Andrews video case

No, I was asking you for your thoughts.

Ok, gladly. It wasn't "good customer service" to give out clientele information. That alone should create some liability, who knows how much, but enough to stop this type of behavior. When you contract with a hotel, especially one that holds itself out like Mariott, you should have your information protected.

This becomes more obvious and important when the person is likely to be sought after, like a celebrity. Also, the celebrity's injury is going to be worth more, as their image value/business value/whatever is much higher in financial terms.

Lastly, giving out that information in such a way that a known stalker would be able use it in this way is reckless and deserving of even higher punishment. Marriot put the guy in charge of this information and therefore entrusted him to protect that information. Either they allowed this shit to happen, knowingly or recklessly, or they didn't oversee or maybe screen their people enough. All reasons for them to be liable.

And then the punishment should seek to address the injury, which considers the value to Andrews, but also the amount necessary to make Mariott change their practices.

To answer your simplistic question: yes, there is enough for me o say that he should have known giving out her information could lead to harming her, even if he might claim he didn't know it would quite be nudie/video bad.
 
I find her concern that people saw her body as disingenuous given the fact that she chose to dress in an unprofessional manner in public settings previously.

Has her employer deemed her attire to be unprofessional? Has she been punished or suspended from her employers for dressing unprofessionally?
If your answer is no, WTF are you talking about?
 
Ok, gladly. It wasn't "good customer service" to give out clientele information. That alone should create some liability, who knows how much, but enough to stop this type of behavior. When you contract with a hotel, especially one that holds itself out like Mariott, you should have your information protected.

This becomes more obvious and important when the person is likely to be sought after, like a celebrity. Also, the celebrity's injury is going to be worth more, as their image value/business value/whatever is much higher in financial terms.

Lastly, giving out that information in such a way that a known stalker would be able use it in this way is reckless and deserving of even higher punishment. Marriot put the guy in charge of this information and therefore entrusted him to protect that information. Either they allowed this shit to happen, knowingly or recklessly, or they didn't oversee or maybe screen their people enough. All reasons for them to be liable.

And then the punishment should seek to address the injury, which considers the value to Andrews, but also the amount necessary to make Mariott change their practices.

To answer your simplistic question: yes, there is enough for me o say that he should have known giving out her information could lead to harming her, even if he might claim he didn't know it would quite be nudie/video bad.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.... back up. Here's how the perp got access to the room next door.

The jury heard Barrett say that he went to the hotel restaurant and used a house phone to ask to be connected to Andrews’s room. When the hotel complied, he was able to see her room number displayed on the phone, and after ascertaining that there was an empty room next to hers, he went to the front desk and was able to book it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-andrews-awarded-55-million-in-peephole-case/
 
The perp asked to be put up in the room next to hers, and the clerk complied. For giving good customer service to the pervert, the Marriott franchisee has to pay $26 million.

How is that good customer service? I spend over 100 nights a year in hotels. You are not supposed to give out any information on other guests. It's hotel security protocol 101. If you know anything at all about hotels what you said is incredibly dumb.

Edit, just saw your last post so it isn't as bad as I thought. That said, I have never seen a house phone that displays the room you are connecting too. So....that is just as negligent as if the clerk gave the room number out. Hotel should still pay.
 
How is that good customer service? I spend over 100 nights a year in hotels. You are not supposed to give out any information on other guests. It's hotel security protocol 101. If you know anything at all about hotels what you said is incredibly dumb.

See my post above. What hotel doesn't put a telephone caller through to a guest's room? The guy was a con artist.
 
Whoa, whoa, whoa.... back up. Here's how the perp got access to the room next door.

The jury heard Barrett say that he went to the hotel restaurant and used a house phone to ask to be connected to Andrews’s room. When the hotel complied, he was able to see her room number displayed on the phone, and after ascertaining that there was an empty room next to hers, he went to the front desk and was able to book it.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...-andrews-awarded-55-million-in-peephole-case/

Ok, so going off of this, rather, the hotel had no security prevention from determining internal, private client information, such as room information of guests, and then gladly placed him next door without question.

A jury saw that to be liability.

Once again you approve of the court system when it finds for you but every decision otherwise is just hoodwinkery by lawyers.
 
Ok, so going off of this, rather, the hotel had no security prevention from determining internal, private client information, such as room information of guests, and then gladly placed him next door without question.

A jury saw that to be liability.

Once again you approve of the court system when it finds for you but every decision otherwise is just hoodwinkery by lawyers.

I think that's really stretching the bounds of negligence, especially when such a large award is involved.
 
From Fox Sports North's Trenni Kusnierek (Who is also a woman BTW)in 2008:

"I understand that Erin Andrews isn't considered a "journalist" so the same rules that apply to writers and television reporters, do not apply to her. She (and ESPN remote game crews in general) gets better access to players and managers and the story lines Erin follows are often very different from what (Journal Sentinel beat writers) Tom Haudricourt or Anthony Witrado are going to write.

"With that said, I still think reporters should hold themselves to the highest professional standard. I found her dress to be inappropriate for the workplace. Even some Brewers players said that although she's great to look at, the dress wasn't appropriate for the ballpark.

...[A]s for Mike Nadel's column, it was refreshing to see someone hold her accountable instead of ogling her in print. It was obvious by the comments made by Lou Piniella and Cubs players that the outfit and behavior were unacceptable.

"And I know what all the guys out there are going to say, 'Trenni is just being catty because she's jealous.' Trust me when I say I'm not. Erin is a beautiful girl with a body I'd kill for. I know she's hotter than me. But, she'd still be better looking in a professional outfit, not just in glorified lingerie. As a female in the same business, I wish she'd realize how damaging it is to an entire gender when she carries herself in that manner. It sets us all back to a time where female sports reporters were all seen as husband hunters who were only in the business to catch a cheap glance."
 
Furthermore, lets say there is some partial liability for the hotel, but is it really 51-49? That sounds like the sort of split you'd have if the hotel employee was in on the scheme to get a video of her.
 
From Fox Sports North's Trenni Kusnierek (Who is also a woman BTW)in 2008:

"I understand that Erin Andrews isn't considered a "journalist" so the same rules that apply to writers and television reporters, do not apply to her. She (and ESPN remote game crews in general) gets better access to players and managers and the story lines Erin follows are often very different from what (Journal Sentinel beat writers) Tom Haudricourt or Anthony Witrado are going to write.

"With that said, I still think reporters should hold themselves to the highest professional standard. I found her dress to be inappropriate for the workplace. Even some Brewers players said that although she's great to look at, the dress wasn't appropriate for the ballpark.

...[A]s for Mike Nadel's column, it was refreshing to see someone hold her accountable instead of ogling her in print. It was obvious by the comments made by Lou Piniella and Cubs players that the outfit and behavior were unacceptable.

"And I know what all the guys out there are going to say, 'Trenni is just being catty because she's jealous.' Trust me when I say I'm not. Erin is a beautiful girl with a body I'd kill for. I know she's hotter than me. But, she'd still be better looking in a professional outfit, not just in glorified lingerie. As a female in the same business, I wish she'd realize how damaging it is to an entire gender when she carries herself in that manner. It sets us all back to a time where female sports reporters were all seen as husband hunters who were only in the business to catch a cheap glance."


Well if Trenni Kusnierek says so it's settled law. Slut Andrews had it comin'. She was a askin' for it!
 
See my post above. What hotel doesn't put a telephone caller through to a guest's room? The guy was a con artist.

For anyone, but in particular a known "celebrity", maybe put the caller on hold, call the intended recipient and ask if they want to accept the call, then connect if the receiving person wants to accept the incoming call?

Not too hard to cold call hotels asking if a particular person is available then hanging up if they are told the person is or isn't there. A major hotel chain should be smart enough to know you don't give away the identities of its guests.
 
I think that's really stretching the bounds of negligence, especially when such a large award is involved.

Really? Ok, so lets say this was at a hospital, and the hospital had no security to protect your information and allowed access to your room ... by a stalker. No difference?

Why does the amount of the award matter in determining the "bounds of negligence", that simply proves what I've been saying in this thread, it is all green envy. THAT PERSON doesn't deserve THAT MUCH money, therefore it was wrong. Silly way to look at things.
 
She's not asking for it...she is just full of crap

Again, she is "full of crap" because she didn't want to be:

a) stalked
b) privacy invaded (room # given out, peepholed)
c) surreptitiously video'd
and d) placed on the internet

She is "full of crap" about not wanting a-d above, because she wore what JR thinks is an "inappropriate outfit" while covering sports. Turning that logic backwards, she actually wanted it (asked for it), because if you are "full of crap" for NOT wanting it, that can only logically mean that you did want it ...
 
Furthermore, lets say there is some partial liability for the hotel, but is it really 51-49? That sounds like the sort of split you'd have if the hotel employee was in on the scheme to get a video of her.

Well that certainly is a reasonable stance, it only took you this many posts to get to it. Drastic change from claiming they were punished for providing good customer service.
 
Again, she is "full of crap" because she didn't want to be:

a) stalked
b) privacy invaded (room # given out, peepholed)
c) surreptitiously video'd
and d) placed on the internet

She is "full of crap" about not wanting a-d above, because she wore what JR thinks is an "inappropriate outfit" while covering sports. Turning that logic backwards, she actually wanted it (asked for it), because if you are "full of crap" for NOT wanting it, that can only logically mean that you did want it ...

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Well that certainly is a reasonable stance, it only took you this many posts to get to it. Drastic change from claiming they were punished for providing good customer service.

Yeah, they negligently bought a phone system with a feature that a criminal figured out how to exploit. That certainly justifies a $20-something-million award. :rolleyes:
 

Annnnnnnddd one of the more obvious and redundant attacks on these verdicts, compare them to non-comparable incidents!

Sure, Eric Garner only got $5.9M, when his family agreed to that amount...

Sure, Freddie Gray got $6.4M, when his family agreed to that amount ...

These things aren't comparable. They just want to appeal to the lowest common denominator (apparently JR) in saying irrelevant things like, "She got more than murdered people!"
 
Yeah, they negligently bought a phone system with a feature that a criminal figured out how to exploit. That certainly justifies a $20-something-million award. :rolleyes:

So if it was $20,000 you'd decide their liability differently? That is my point, you are only complaining about the amount, which is simplistic and stupid. You don't think it should be THAT MUCH, therefore what they did wasn't wrong?
 
So if it was $20,000 you'd decide their liability differently? That is my point, you are only complaining about the amount, which is simplistic and stupid. You don't think it should be THAT MUCH, therefore what they did wasn't wrong?

Serious question: don't you believe this award will be reduced on appeal?
 
Serious question: don't you believe this award will be reduced on appeal?

Of course it will, a Tennessee appellate court will reduce as much as they can for any case with punitive damages. Funny that you likely think that makes you more right. Again, when the "system" sides with you = correct, when it goes against, greedy lawyers are at fault.
 
Yeah, they negligently bought a phone system with a feature that a criminal figured out how to exploit. That certainly justifies a $20-something-million award. :rolleyes:

Again, I've spent more than 1,500 nights of my life in hotels(I know, that's nuts) and I have NEVER seen a house phone that shows the number of the room I'm being connected to. Admittedly I don't use them often, but most of them have no display whatsoever. Pick them up and they automatically ring the front desk.
 
Again, I've spent more than 1,500 nights of my life in hotels(I know, that's nuts) and I have NEVER seen a house phone that shows the number of the room I'm being connected to. Admittedly I don't use them often, but most of them have no display whatsoever. Pick them up and they automatically ring the front desk.

Apparently, you haven't been to the Nashville Marriott.
 
I've seen the video.She kept checking out her ass in the mirror. It could have been a lot worse/better.She could have been going to town with a power tool in that room.

The guy who filmed her needs to be locked up for a long time.

When I saw the size of the award yesterday, it made me wonder if they were able to demonstrate that the guy who filmed it made a huge ton of coin on the deal. If yes, then he absolutely should have to pay a massive amount. Otherwise, the $55 million seemed rather huge, even for such an egregious violation as this.
 
Annnnnnnddd one of the more obvious and redundant attacks on these verdicts, compare them to non-comparable incidents!

Sure, Eric Garner only got $5.9M, when his family agreed to that amount...

Sure, Freddie Gray got $6.4M, when his family agreed to that amount ...

These things aren't comparable. They just want to appeal to the lowest common denominator (apparently JR) in saying irrelevant things like, "She got more than murdered people!"


Pain and suffering is non-comparable? Interesting...
 
Pain and suffering is non-comparable? Interesting...

They're not comparable because the Garner and Gray cases were settled, they weren't jury awards like the Andrews case is. Any comparison in dollar amounts is comparing apples to jackhammers.
 
They're not comparable because the Garner and Gray cases were settled, they weren't jury awards like the Andrews case is. Any comparison in dollar amounts is comparing apples to jackhammers.

Thank you, that was certainly what I thought I made clear.

But even going further to the not-as-obvious, the cases aren't apples/apples even without settlements because the "values" aren't attributed equally. Would, say, Donald Trump's murder really be "worth" the same as Joe the Plumber? Of course not, the economic realities are vastly different between the two. Also here is a public celebrity who has staked her reputation on herself, her appearance, knowledge, speech, etc., reputation that is directly damaged by what the guy did in this case, and if her reputation is "worth more" than Freddie Gray's life, would that really surprise you? There are plenty in this very thread, I'm sure, who don't think his life was even worth the $7M his family got. It isn't an excel sheet where death = $X, embarrassment = less $X.
 
If Erin needs someone to cry to or to help spend that money, I will make the sacrifice for HROT. I'll let her in my bunk so you don't have to!
 
Thank you, that was certainly what I thought I made clear.

But even going further to the not-as-obvious, the cases aren't apples/apples even without settlements because the "values" aren't attributed equally. Would, say, Donald Trump's murder really be "worth" the same as Joe the Plumber? Of course not, the economic realities are vastly different between the two. Also here is a public celebrity who has staked her reputation on herself, her appearance, knowledge, speech, etc., reputation that is directly damaged by what the guy did in this case, and if her reputation is "worth more" than Freddie Gray's life, would that really surprise you? There are plenty in this very thread, I'm sure, who don't think his life was even worth the $7M his family got. It isn't an excel sheet where death = $X, embarrassment = less $X.

Please. Does anyone think of her as "less of a sideline reporter" because of the video? Seriously, her career benefited from it. There are millions of people who know who she is who would not know had the video not come out.
 
Please. Does anyone think of her as "less of a sideline reporter" because of the video? Seriously, her career benefited from it. There are millions of people who know who she is who would not know had the video not come out.
Imagine how successful she would be if worked strip clubs....or did some porn film work! She'd be President of ESPN w/in the year.
 
Thank you, that was certainly what I thought I made clear.

But even going further to the not-as-obvious, the cases aren't apples/apples even without settlements because the "values" aren't attributed equally. Would, say, Donald Trump's murder really be "worth" the same as Joe the Plumber? Of course not, the economic realities are vastly different between the two. Also here is a public celebrity who has staked her reputation on herself, her appearance, knowledge, speech, etc., reputation that is directly damaged by what the guy did in this case, and if her reputation is "worth more" than Freddie Gray's life, would that really surprise you? There are plenty in this very thread, I'm sure, who don't think his life was even worth the $7M his family got. It isn't an excel sheet where death = $X, embarrassment = less $X.


Except that it wasn't damaged. She admitted as much during questioning. She can not prove any sort of economic damage at all from this.
 
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