Be nice to know vs. speculate to score political points. I suspect we’ll never know the full deal.
Evan Gershkovich and Paul Whelan to be released from Russia
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Be nice to know vs. speculate to score political points. I suspect we’ll never know the full deal.
Well, the BBC does shed some light on scope -- something like 16 from russia, 8 from us. Of the 16, 5 Germans and 7 Russians who the administration itself has described as political prisoners/activists (though one of the Germans may have been a little more than that as having been described as a mercenary on one account i saw), so that leaves four, of which we know 2 are Whelan and Gerskovich.
Again, always good when people get out, especially when they're pawns. But the $64 question, I suppose, is how many pawns are worth a knight, a bishop, or a rook. That's a fair political question, given that at least one of the rooks murdered somebody.
I’m wondering if Putin might be giving up on Trump. Timing seems very interesting.
I’m going to need names, social security numbers, resume, and letters of recommendation (not from their mother) for all of them to decide.
Setting aside all of the exchange rate question, step back a moment and contemplate the fact that if anything ever indicated that we were back in a cold (at least) war, prisoner exchanges are it.
I'm pissed that griner was traded for a literal international arms dealer especially since she was in prison for drug use
Drug use? Please define. Also that international arms dealer was scheduled to be released in 3-5 years.
Let’s do a quick brain functioning check: Do you believe that Trump could’ve gotten this done without having to swap prisoners? That’s what he claims he could’ve done.
Well with history as our guide Trump did get two Americans held in Yemen released in exchange for 250 Houthi’s.
16 westerners or Russian dissidents for 8 Russians
The Russians did worse stuff obviously but still a good net positive for bodies
apnews.com
The Russians did worse stuff obviously but still a good net positive for bodies
Who's in the massive prisoner swap between Russia and the West?
One prisoner has spent over 5½ years behind bars in Russia while other, higher-profile detainees were released ahead of him.
apnews.com
Radical Right is pissed about this exchange, so we all know it's a huge accomplishment by this WH.
Add another feather to Joe's cap.
Kicking ass and taking names.
Add another feather to Joe's cap.
Kicking ass and taking names.
We always end up on the losing end of these bargains. It is what it is.
We value our people more than they value theirs.
That’s why Israel always agrees to 100 to 1 swaps or other outlandish deals.
Gotta do what you gotta do.
Hopefully not a repost but this is a fascinating WSJ article about the exchange.
Alex Navalny was supposed to be the centerpiece!
https://www.wsj.com/world/europe/evan-gershkovich-prisoner-exchange-ccb39ad3
No way Putin was ever gunna let Navalny go. He would've poisoned him prior to release.
If you go along with the beliefs of the turning point cold war series, we never left.
Someone prove to me that almost every time the US has gotten prisoners released, we've always "overpaid".
It's because we value life more than most.
It's because we value life more than most.
From the analysis I heard Putin really wanted his prized murderer back from the Germans, and Trump’s bi-polar negotiating style and his hostility with an ally like Germany made a deal unlikely. Putin took the deal now to get the guy he wanted all along.
All in all an impressive bit of work by the Biden Administration. They played the long game and won. Yes, some of them probably shouldn’t have been there, but Putin taking Gershkovich hostage was unprecedented. Taking Whelan hostage while attending a wedding was unprecedented. This wasn’t Cold War spy games, it was hostage taking at a state level.
Watching the Americans come off the plane. Idc what side of the aisle you are, that should make you feel some joy.
Why do you feel the need to only.post snippets which leave out context Joe?
Transition Integrity Project
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Lulz.
It wouldn't be because you're a parasitic piece of shit would it?
Seminole got his ass kicked on this in another thread. No surprise you are bringing it up as well.Why do you feel the need to only.post snippets which leave out context Joe?
Transition Integrity Project
Before the last election Democrats war gamed a plan to have the western states of California, Oregon and Washington secede in response to a Trump popular election loss, but electoral college win. Link The Biden Campaign encouraged Western states, particularly California but also Oregon and...
Lulz.
It wouldn't be because you're a parasitic piece of shit would it?
WTF are you babbling about now?
What is your take on the Transition Integrity Project?
I would rather wipe my ass with a porcupine than try to explain the multithread brain pretzel I have Jow in right now to you.
Long story short, Joe was dumb enough to criticize one of his go to moves.
All this demonstrates, once again, is that you're an idiot, a fool and a coward.
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