Everyone who says “Iowa has to hit the portal big time”…

[MeetTheFerentzes]

Nothing is going to change really regarding Iowa’s recruiting and competitiveness. They will always have to count on diamonds in the rough and developing lower rated players. Every once in a while, Iowa will probably catch lightning in a bottle and have an epic season. Every once in a while, they will manage to get a super highly rated recruit and it will end up being disappointing. Like I said, it’s doubtful that anything is going to really change, and message board NIL campaigns are a waste of bandwidth.

 

[HawkLogic]

I think Title 9 is a law that they have to follow. They may want more pay for professors ( education is their mission) but I wasn’t aware that the school was using FB revenue to pay for that. Are they? I suppose they could cut the field hockey coach salary but that wouldn’t make a dent. I agree that new donations should go to NIL but wonder if some of that annual figure is existing pledges to facility improvements.

Originally Iowa AD under pressure form Univertiy Administration was attempting to require the Swarm to follow Title9 in attempting to match NIL payments between Women and Men's sports. Title9 doesn't apply to donations---the Swarm resisted. That doesn't change the fact that the political bias within the Universtity is against giving more money to Men's revenue sports than women's sports.

There is no Money currently taken from Iowa Foundation towards NIL. What I meant/intended to convey is there is nothing that is stopping the UI from telling donors to donate to NIL from legal point of view. However that would move control of the money to an organization like the Swarm that is not controlled by Athletic department that doesn't follow Title9---it is not in the Universityy's political interest to lose control of that money, so they won;t do it.

I understand that the majority of people are disgusted by NIL. That is fine. However if you don't donate or don't want Athleteic Department to change to adapt to NIL era then you should not complain about the W/L records of Iowa programs. The trend will be your programs are going to decline relative to schools that have more NIL. Money talks.

Meanwhile Michigan just found a Sponsor in Larry Ellingson with about $200 billion net worth that will help them get a $10 million dollar high school quarterback. Iowa can't compete with that. College sports is going down the toilet and I think a lot of fans will eventually quit watching/cut back live college sports viewing if you are a fan of the Also-Ran schools like Iowa. In Iowa with no pro sport Alternatives, there is a lot of fan interest in the Football games as a cultural/family event....if Iowa becomes a consistent bottom feeder the actual football games will be side events. Just like the 1970's.

 

[hawkeyemark18]

I feel Kirk and Brian prioritized blocking potential in recruiting WR's, and blocking performance during games.
While this may have improved our run blocking by the number of bodies blocking, I don't feel we were recruiting, or playing, P5 level wide receivers who could get separation and be downfield threats.
If we did get some WR talent they often were overlooked in favor of better blocking WR's who couldnt catch a cold.
ie. Ragaini vs Jones

What does that have to do with our current situation or our possible needs in the portal? Lester has shown with the group he has started with this season that he can get the most out of what he has to work with. It bodes well for our WR recruiting going forward.

 

[HawkLogic]

Nothing is going to change really regarding Iowa’s recruiting and competitiveness. They will always have to count on diamonds in the rough and developing lower rated players. Every once in a while, Iowa will probably catch lightning in a bottle and have an epic season. Every once in a while, they will manage to get a super highly rated recruit and it will end up being disappointing. Like I said, it’s doubtful that anything is going to really change, and message board NIL campaigns are a waste of bandwidth.

I do agree message board posts aren't going to change anything, but people eventually do figure out trends. It's pretty obvious that Ohio States $20 million payroll and Oregon's $24 million payroll have bought those programs championship level teams--no reloading via recruiting anymore, just go out and buy players to fill roster holes.

Imagine a future Cooper Dejean diamond in the rough has a Break Out Year---he's not yet eligible for NFL, so he'll just jump in the Portal for a $1.5 million payoff from Michigan or Ohio State. The Portal and NIL changes everything---developmental model will not work. Iowa may be able to stay a middle of the pack program because we have a lot of fan support and ability to be a middle of the pack NIL school.

Anyway, feel free to not donate to NIL or care about it. I'm just voicing out what looks like obvious trends if you actually pay attention.

 

[jonesy5960]

What does that have to do with our current situation or our possible needs in the portal? Lester has shown with the group he has started with this season that he can get the most out of what he has to work with. It bodes well for our WR recruiting going forward.

This year hasn't really helped Iowa's abysmal reputation for passing the ball and QB and WR recruiting will continue to struggle mightily as long as Iowa is close to last in the country in passing yardage. They are last in the B1G and 128 out of 133 in the country. Unless you're a service academy, it doesn't get any worse than Iowa. Lester has done well with pretty much nothing, but still has a big job ahead of him in this regard.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

Originally Iowa AD under pressure form Univertiy Administration was attempting to require the Swarm to follow Title9 in attempting to match NIL payments between Women and Men's sports. Title9 doesn't apply to donations---the Swarm resisted. That doesn't change the fact that the political bias within the Universtity is against giving more money to Men's revenue sports than women's sports.

There is no Money currently taken from Iowa Foundation towards NIL. What I meant/intended to convey is there is nothing that is stopping the UI from telling donors to donate to NIL from legal point of view. However that would move control of the money to an organization like the Swarm that is not controlled by Athletic department that doesn't follow Title9---it is not in the Universityy's political interest to lose control of that money, so they won;t do it.

I understand that the majority of people are disgusted by NIL. That is fine. However if you don't donate or don't want Athleteic Department to change to adapt to NIL era then you should not complain about the W/L records of Iowa programs. The trend will be your programs are going to decline relative to schools that have more NIL. Money talks.

Meanwhile Michigan just found a Sponsor in Larry Ellingson with about $200 billion net worth that will help them get a $10 million dollar high school quarterback. Iowa can't compete with that. College sports is going down the toilet and I think a lot of fans will eventually quit watching/cut back live college sports viewing if you are a fan of the Also-Ran schools like Iowa. In Iowa with no pro sport Alternatives, there is a lot of fan interest in the Football games as a cultural/family event....if Iowa becomes a consistent bottom feeder the actual football games will be side events. Just like the 1970's.

You nailed it.

I understand that the majority of people are disgusted by NIL. That is fine. However if you don't donate or don't want Athleteic Department to change to adapt to NIL era then you should not complain about the W/L records of Iowa programs. The trend will be your programs are going to decline relative to schools that have more NIL. Money talks.

 

[cecilB]

I agree 1000% too bad the majority of our fanbase can't play the put up or shut up game, they claim to be struggling to make the monthly payments on their doublewides. While they spend any disposable income on cigs, cheap liquor

Don’t forget the eggs. It was eggs that was a bridge too far for some 🤷

 

[pistachio1999]

I do agree message board posts aren't going to change anything, but people eventually do figure out trends. It's pretty obvious that Ohio States $20 million payroll and Oregon's $24 million payroll have bought those programs championship level teams--no reloading via recruiting anymore, just go out and buy players to fill roster holes.

Imagine a future Cooper Dejean diamond in the rough has a Break Out Year---he's not yet eligible for NFL, so he'll just jump in the Portal for a $1.5 million payoff from Michigan or Ohio State. The Portal and NIL changes everything---developmental model will not work. Iowa may be able to stay a middle of the pack program because we have a lot of fan support and ability to be a middle of the pack NIL school.

Anyway, feel free to not donate to NIL or care about it. I'm just voicing out what looks like obvious trends if you actually pay attention.

It's like the Yankees buying all those World Series.

 

[HawksRule73]

Nothing is going to change really regarding Iowa’s recruiting and competitiveness. They will always have to count on diamonds in the rough and developing lower rated players. Every once in a while, Iowa will probably catch lightning in a bottle and have an epic season. Every once in a while, they will manage to get a super highly rated recruit and it will end up being disappointing. Like I said, it’s doubtful that anything is going to really change, and message board NIL campaigns are a waste of bandwidth.

I'll be interested in seeing, with Lester now on board for a full portal season, how that'll change the dynamic of the type of player we go after on the offensive side of the ball.....

 

[RicoSuave102954]

I'll be interested in seeing, with Lester now on board for a full portal season, how that'll change the dynamic of the type of player we go after on the offensive side of the ball.....

Without cash he won't get anything.

 

[hawkeyemark18]

This year hasn't really helped Iowa's abysmal reputation for passing the ball and QB and WR recruiting will continue to struggle mightily as long as Iowa is close to last in the country in passing yardage. They are last in the B1G and 128 out of 133 in the country. Unless you're a service academy, it doesn't get any worse than Iowa. Lester has done well with pretty much nothing, but still has a big job ahead of him in this regard.

The passing numbers reflect the instability at the QB position and the fact that we have a run focused offense featuring an elite All American back. It has really pleased me to see the positive comments from our offensive recruits about how much they like Coach Lester and the offense he has started to build.

Recruits look at the bigger picture. We all considered it a major win to get the QB from CA also recruited by UCLA and also the WR from Illinois. Lester has said the passing game has to get better and things seem moving in the right direction on that front.

 

[hexumhawk]

The passing numbers reflect the instability at the QB position and the fact that we have a run focused offense featuring an elite All American back. It has really pleased me to see the positive comments from our offensive recruits about how much they like Coach Lester and the offense he has started to build.

Recruits look at the bigger picture. We all considered it a major win to get the QB from CA also recruited by UCLA and also the WR from Illinois. Lester has said the passing game has to get better and things seem moving in the right direction on that front.

Iowa will always be behind the 8 ball so to speak with WR recruiting. Not many teams in the country run the ball as much as we do which leads to less touches for WRs and a harder sell. On top of that we are also one of the lowest plays per game teams in CFB which again leads to less touches for WRs.

 

[RicoSuave102954]

Iowa will always be behind the 8 ball so to speak with WR recruiting. Not many teams in the country run the ball as much as we do which leads to less touches for WRs and a harder sell. On top of that we are also one of the lowest plays per game teams in CFB which again leads to less touches for WRs.

If they don't start throwing the ball to the TE a little more, we are going to be lacking in TE recruits.

 

[uihawk82]

Based on what I have seen this season, Im ok with Stratton and Sullivan next year. We need tall receivers who can get open. Less priority on their blocking skills.

Good point and I agree with Sully and Stratton. And if Lester is around for another few years because Kirk is still around we might see Lester pull in a couple really good QB recruits.

And with very good throwing QBs then the better WRs will follow. And I think Iowa needs to start leaving their 2 to 3 best WRs on the field for most of the plays.

Maryland's top 2 receivers, Felton and ??? were in there for most every offensive snap. They dont get winded.

 

[uihawk82]

I think Title 9 is a law that they have to follow. They may want more pay for professors ( education is their mission) but I wasn’t aware that the school was using FB revenue to pay for that. Are they? I suppose they could cut the field hockey coach salary but that wouldn’t make a dent. I agree that new donations should go to NIL but wonder if some of that annual figure is existing pledges to facility improvements.

Well yeah Title 9 is a federal law that has to be followed which is why so big schools like those in the Big 10 and elsewhere have to drop men's sports programs to have the equal numbers of men and women's athletes.

Iowa doesnt have a Men's Swimming and Diving team anymore but there a team for women. The 100+ footbal players have to be balanced out by more women's sports and getting rid of some men's sports. No more Iowa Men's Tennis but women's wrestling has been added.

Overall, 7 men's sports and 13 women's sports. And that is fine. Iowa used to have a pretty decent Men's swimming program though so sorry to see it go

 

[hawkeyemark18]

Iowa will always be behind the 8 ball so to speak with WR recruiting. Not many teams in the country run the ball as much as we do which leads to less touches for WRs and a harder sell. On top of that we are also one of the lowest plays per game teams in CFB which again leads to less touches for WRs.

Good post. For sure the way we play Iowa will never attract the higher end WR recruits or the guys hung up on how many touches they get. I do think guys like playing in this offense. A player like Jacob Gill who came out of nowhere to really blossom in this offense seems like a positive example for WRs looking for an opportunity. I also think young guys like Buie and Hudson who have some talent will really emerge as the QB position solidifies and we get better passing.

Lester likes to spread the ball around and get everybody involved. I see that as a net plus even in an offense that likes running the ball.

 

[kmurp]

Originally Iowa AD under pressure form Univertiy Administration was attempting to require the Swarm to follow Title9 in attempting to match NIL payments between Women and Men's sports. Title9 doesn't apply to donations---the Swarm resisted. That doesn't change the fact that the political bias within the Universtity is against giving more money to Men's revenue sports than women's sports.

There is no Money currently taken from Iowa Foundation towards NIL. What I meant/intended to convey is there is nothing that is stopping the UI from telling donors to donate to NIL from legal point of view. However that would move control of the money to an organization like the Swarm that is not controlled by Athletic department that doesn't follow Title9---it is not in the Universityy's political interest to lose control of that money, so they won;t do it.

I understand that the majority of people are disgusted by NIL. That is fine. However if you don't donate or don't want Athleteic Department to change to adapt to NIL era then you should not complain about the W/L records of Iowa programs. The trend will be your programs are going to decline relative to schools that have more NIL. Money talks.

Meanwhile Michigan just found a Sponsor in Larry Ellingson with about $200 billion net worth that will help them get a $10 million dollar high school quarterback. Iowa can't compete with that. College sports is going down the toilet and I think a lot of fans will eventually quit watching/cut back live college sports viewing if you are a fan of the Also-Ran schools like Iowa. In Iowa with no pro sport Alternatives, there is a lot of fan interest in the Football games as a cultural/family event....if Iowa becomes a consistent bottom feeder the actual football games will be side events. Just like the 1970's.

Thank you for that response. I was not aware of a number of the issues you raised about the NIL program. I’m not sure if your take is correct but I have zero knowledge about that particular issue so I hope you’re wrong but I think you might be correct. What for sure is correct is that NIL is driving the bus and without a really robust program (within our realistic constraints) outcomes will suffer. I hope it improves soon.

 

[DogBoyRy]

Originally Iowa AD under pressure form Univertiy Administration was attempting to require the Swarm to follow Title9 in attempting to match NIL payments between Women and Men's sports. Title9 doesn't apply to donations---the Swarm resisted. That doesn't change the fact that the political bias within the Universtity is against giving more money to Men's revenue sports than women's sports.

There is no Money currently taken from Iowa Foundation towards NIL. What I meant/intended to convey is there is nothing that is stopping the UI from telling donors to donate to NIL from legal point of view. However that would move control of the money to an organization like the Swarm that is not controlled by Athletic department that doesn't follow Title9---it is not in the Universityy's political interest to lose control of that money, so they won;t do it.

I understand that the majority of people are disgusted by NIL. That is fine. However if you don't donate or don't want Athleteic Department to change to adapt to NIL era then you should not complain about the W/L records of Iowa programs. The trend will be your programs are going to decline relative to schools that have more NIL. Money talks.

Meanwhile Michigan just found a Sponsor in Larry Ellingson with about $200 billion net worth that will help them get a $10 million dollar high school quarterback. Iowa can't compete with that. College sports is going down the toilet and I think a lot of fans will eventually quit watching/cut back live college sports viewing if you are a fan of the Also-Ran schools like Iowa. In Iowa with no pro sport Alternatives, there is a lot of fan interest in the Football games as a cultural/family event....if Iowa becomes a consistent bottom feeder the actual football games will be side events. Just like the 1970's.

Great post.
Amazing the people on this thread who had no clue how it worked and the changes coming.
Issues for iowa are more the coming reduction in roster size and spend on transfers.

 

[hexumhawk]

Good post. For sure the way we play Iowa will never attract the higher end WR recruits or the guys hung up on how many touches they get. I do think guys like playing in this offense. A player like Jacob Gill who came out of nowhere to really blossom in this offense seems like a positive example for WRs looking for an opportunity. I also think young guys like Buie and Hudson who have some talent will really emerge as the QB position solidifies and we get better passing.

Lester likes to spread the ball around and get everybody involved. I see that as a net plus even in an offense that likes running the ball.

Yes I agree. I think the longer Lester stays here, the more involved our WRs will become in our offense. I think there is some talent there with that younger group between Buie, Howard, and VanderZee. You also add KJ Parker and Mota to the mix next year. The one guy that I think has a lot of potential that needs to develop as a WR is Washington. A lot to pick from

 

[squeezebox]

If they don't start throwing the ball to the TE a little more, we are going to be lacking in TE recruits.

Na, having a healthy Ostrenga next year will push those numbers off, not to mention Hoffman will be a monster. The state is insanely deep right now with TE talent as well.

 

[Tom Paris]

Originally Iowa AD under pressure form Univertiy Administration was attempting to require the Swarm to follow Title9 in attempting to match NIL payments between Women and Men's sports. Title9 doesn't apply to donations---the Swarm resisted. That doesn't change the fact that the political bias within the Universtity is against giving more money to Men's revenue sports than women's sports.

There is no Money currently taken from Iowa Foundation towards NIL. What I meant/intended to convey is there is nothing that is stopping the UI from telling donors to donate to NIL from legal point of view. However that would move control of the money to an organization like the Swarm that is not controlled by Athletic department that doesn't follow Title9---it is not in the Universityy's political interest to lose control of that money, so they won;t do it.

I understand that the majority of people are disgusted by NIL. That is fine. However if you don't donate or don't want Athleteic Department to change to adapt to NIL era then you should not complain about the W/L records of Iowa programs. The trend will be your programs are going to decline relative to schools that have more NIL. Money talks.

Meanwhile Michigan just found a Sponsor in Larry Ellingson with about $200 billion net worth that will help them get a $10 million dollar high school quarterback. Iowa can't compete with that. College sports is going down the toilet and I think a lot of fans will eventually quit watching/cut back live college sports viewing if you are a fan of the Also-Ran schools like Iowa. In Iowa with no pro sport Alternatives, there is a lot of fan interest in the Football games as a cultural/family event....if Iowa becomes a consistent bottom feeder the actual football games will be side events. Just like the 1970's.

All of it makes me less and less interested in Iowa Football. NIL and the portal ruined college basketball for me. Well that and decades of Iowa gut punches. I was talking to a coach yesterday and realized that I can name Cooper Flagg, about 6-7 Hawkeyes and that's all the men's college basketball players' names that I know. I can't name a single other D-1 player. I used to be on this site mainly for recruiting. I can't name ONE incoming football recruit. 10 million for a high school QB. Puke.

 

[Fan In Black]

ok. I will.

 

[squeezebox]

All of it makes me less and less interested in Iowa Football. NIL and the portal ruined college basketball for me. Well that and decades of Iowa gut punches. I was talking to a coach yesterday and realized that I can name Cooper Flagg, about 6-7 Hawkeyes and that's all the men's college basketball players' names that I know. I can't name a single other D-1 player. I used to be on this site mainly for recruiting. I can't name ONE incoming football recruit. 10 million for a high school QB. Puke.

Honestly, I think the problem with college basketball is the one and done rule. With NIL now kids should either choose the league or 3 years in the NCAA. It would make the NBA game better as well. JMO. The college football recruiting topic gets beat down by other dumbass topics that are regularly popping up.

 

[BrotherHawkeye]

What an idiot who places way too much emphasis on sports. Meatheads will be meatheads.

Give money to the literature and arts programs. That’s where Iowa is the best of the best. And it actually means more than a football score.

Calling people idiots on a football fan forum for liking to discuss football (a lot) is probably not the most persuasive language to get people to come around to your point of view. It seems a bit condescending, but hey, that's just me. Even meatheads are aware of when they're being talked down to.

 

[RothMatt]

Well, the braintrust Rico said we (the non-members) were basically broke double-wide owners. Reminds me of Hillary calling folks deplorables.

 

[TXHCHawk]

Calling people idiots on a football fan forum for liking to discuss football (a lot) is probably not the most persuasive language to get people to come around to your point of view. It seems a bit condescending, but hey, that's just me. Even meatheads are aware of when they're being talked down to.

Agree. No better way to curry favor with folks, increase interest in your insights, and ultimately win them over, than launching an insulting salvo.

 

[TXHCHawk]

1. NIL isn’t going away anytime soon, if ever, without an incredibly expensive, protracted, legal battle with little chance of success.
2. B1G schools, including IOWA, will be able to fully fund AD programs, with adherence to Title IX.
3. IOWA does, and can continue to, have a respectable NIL program, compared to most.
4. IOWA’s NIL will need a greater breadth of donors to offset the lack of depth per donor.
5. Impact of school & NIL resources matters (ie. fiduciary responsibility). Trust in resource utilization is a factor in benefactors’ continued support (large & small).
6. ALL contributions, from big to small, should be appreciated. Shaming does nothing to further fandom nor support.
7. IOWA’s program is not in shambles; just behind the B1G juggernauts is not terrible.
8. Probably most importantly, enjoy being a fan. Can’t contribute in any way? No worries. Hate the NIL environment? No worries. You do your part via product and/or ticket purchases, donations to the U, AD, and/or NIL, or some other way? Great. None of that prohibits any of us from celebrating our Hawkeye fandom, watching and following our team, engaging, celebrating, and disagreeing with each other.

Now, the leadership that runs those things? Can many of us affect those roles and decisions? How are those role’s impact ultimately measured?

On IOWA. Go Hawks! Eat a Little Debbie for your Thanksgiving dessert.

 

[kceasthawk]

Agree. No better way to curry favor with folks, increase interest in your insights, and ultimately win them over, than launching an insulting salvo.

LOLOL.. you mean like Rico posting that fans who don't donate to the swarm are mostly broke , cigarette smoking trailer trash? That should help "win over" a bunch more donors, don't you think?

 

[kceasthawk]

I agree 1000% too bad the majority of our fanbase can't play the put up or shut up game, they claim to be struggling to make the monthly payments on their doublewides. While they spend any disposable income on cigs, cheap liquor

Nice of the biggest ass hat in the group to show up again, and lecture the fans on all their shortcomings..
Generalize much do you?

 

[RicoSuave102954]

Nice of the biggest ass hat in the group to show up again, and lecture the fans on all their shortcomings..
Generalize much do you?

Shouldn't you be out buying a Hawkeye T shirt at Walmart then boasting about how you support the team with such extravagant purchases.

 

[kceasthawk]

Shouldn't you be out buying a Hawkeye T shirt at Walmart then boasting about how you support the team with such extravagant purchases.

Lolol.. Seriously, I hope you wear safety googles, or at least learn to duck with all the deflection in your posts, the shits got to be headed right back at your head most of the time....

 

[HWKEYZ23]

Good point and I agree with Sully and Stratton. And if Lester is around for another few years because Kirk is still around we might see Lester pull in a couple really good QB recruits.

And with very good throwing QBs then the better WRs will follow. And I think Iowa needs to start leaving their 2 to 3 best WRs on the field for most of the plays.

Maryland's top 2 receivers, Felton and ??? were in there for most every offensive snap. They dont get winded.

Sully and Stratton can be QB2 and QB3…need a true starter. Sully was pretty good filling in but I dont think he did enough to say he is QB1

 

[RicoSuave102954]

Lolol.. Seriously, I hope you wear safety googles, or at least learn to duck with all the deflection in your posts, the shits got to be headed right back at your head most of the time....

Sorry Mr. Grifter, Rico never needs to duck or wear goggles.