Everything that (certain) Republican candidates want you to believe about immigrants is wrong
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We will pay trillions through the impact on the economy to dodge billions in security measures.
That computes when applied to Lib math.
tih, would you approve if people were elected that wanted to seal the border? Sealing the border also includes an Ellis Island type of thing. Seasonal workers check in, get vaccines, etc. What is your immigration reform platform, if any?
Wait, you seriously think that people in congress will vote to approve the level of spending needed to "secure the border", and then the people will be ok with that cost?
Then why hasn't it happened?
Spend a lot more money/resources on avenues of legal immigration, including a comprehensive policy on the same procedure for people already here.
I have no belief that our government, and our people, will spend what is necessary to "secure" any border in my lifetime. You want to do it? Be my guest.
The best thing to slow illegal immigration is to make legal immigration a much better option and opportunity.
As I've said before, those posters who claim to "have no problem with LEGAL immigration" are full of shit, as they still want to severely limit (or stop) immigration, whether LEGAL or not.
How exactly do you make legal immigration a better opportunity? You need to be very specific. "Spend a lot more money/resources" doesn't cut it. And why is spending money for your idea ok but not the other way around (where we would spend less money)? Seriously (the bolded part)? Untrue and a big cop out. You're one of the best and most eloquent posters on here. Kind of disappointing.
No, I don't.
But, they should.
When we are allowing 2x as much cost as we can afford, then something should be done. But the costs are too un-P.C. to talk about.
So we rely upon the "stupidity of the American voter"(J. Gruber) to allow bad policy to continue.
Yeah, that's pretty much my main problem with them. I have no problem with legal immigration, I had two grandparents who were legal immigrants.
Amazes me how the dems, the champions of the American worker have now thrown the American worker under the bus. I understand shingles are expensive so have to keep costs down somewhere.
I am actually pretty open minded when it comes to discussions, if you can provide constructive criticism I am all ears. I have admitted being wrong before, may not agree with everything said but I try to be open (to most - as some things have no wiggle room).
The border has never been more secure than it is now. 100% sealing it is physically and financially impossible, as is building a wall. Illegal entry has been essentially zero for several years now, and the majority of illegals simply overstay visas, so "sealing the border" would not help that at all. "Sealing the border" just a Republican talking point requirement so they don't actually have to do anything on immigration reform.
" Essentially zero". LOL. Of course sealing it 100% is impossible and a "wall" is impractical. That isn't the point. The tide needs to be stemmed. Why are you against an Ellis Island for the southern border?
Statistics that have been released support the balance between incoming/outgoing. Do you have something that contradicts it?
What did they have to do to immigrate?
Are you on board with making the requirements/cost/process exactly the same?
Their parents, different sets of families, took them on a boat using pretty much all of their money, and came to the US with nothing. They then did what the had to do paperwork wise to become US citizens and get jobs.
Both grandparents, and their siblings, we're born into pretty poor families in Scotland. And for what it's worth, my Grandma T couldn't speak English when she got here at the age of 5, she only spoke Scots.
So they arrived on a boat and filled out paperwork. Great, good for them. They have obviously created a spectacular legacy from very little.
You on board with allowing that little "required" for new immigrants to be legal?
You on board with allowing that little "required" for new immigrants to be legal?
That's not what they say. They say they are opposed because the illegals broke the law, butted in line, didn't wait their turn, didn't follow proper procedure, yada, yada.
Maybe if they did put it into cost terms, we could get some movement on a decent compromise.
Which costs more? Deporting all illegals or granting amnesty to all illegals?
You're not really paying attention are you? I already said grant amnesty to those already here. Definitely a compromise on my part. What is the problem with guest workers actually checking in? You're not willing to compromise on that end?
Please post those stats for the southern border. This includes countries other than Mexico of course.
First article I opened:
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2...als-levels-off-fewer-crossing-mexic/?page=all
Says illegal immigrants in U.S. Has been steady for 6 years at 11-12M.
From the same research group from your link a month later.
https://www.conservativereview.com/...-report-massive-immigration-surge-from-mexico
The Irish/Italian/Jews/Polish/Germans/whoever you speak of. Did they enter this country legally? Are we as a country just supposed to let them walk across the border at will and let them do as they please? Oh well, you came here without legal documentation, but what the heck, lets get you set up with a job and place to live on Uncle Sam.
Which costs more? Sealing the border,then granting amnesty, or granting amnesty, and then going through the whole thing all over again, and again, and again?
Good post. Appears to be discussing all immigrants. I presume that means the "legal" ones that so many here claim to approve of.
Sure, why wouldn't I. A cursory background check, do the paperwork and get the proper documentation. Like I said, I have zero problem with legal immigration.
This seems sensible. Just let the market take care of it. No need for a big program. Lock up the Trumps of the world for hiring them. Require ID to access services. Problem gets solved over night and we can even make money by fining the Trumps to get out of jail. Go after the pushers, not the junkies. hit the head, not the tail. Act like a conservative and this becomes easy, but you're going to have to be willing to piss on your donor class.
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