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Faculty group censures Harreld over ethics

I'm sure all the professors, academics, etc. think they're doing God's work here - but as someone who has never worked in academia (which would be most of us) this just looks more and more pathetic with each passing day. In the real world - top execs get hired you don't like. A big portion of the time, the fix is in on that hire. You either deal with it and find a way to work through it or you move on.

Maybe I'd feel different if my view was from the ivory tower of a university - but I think the majority of us who don't and won't work at a university view the squeaky wheels as looking like petulant children. Outside in it looks pathetic and petty.
The problem with this is that we are not a private corporation. We are a public university. So there needs to be more transparency and above all, a reasonable amount of confidence that whomever takes the lead, they will be able to the job. But so far, we've had none of this. Herreld has given few details of his plans here. He appears to be behind the curve when it comes to understanding university policies. And he lied on his resume to get the job. If a private company wants to hire such a candidate, that's their business. They will held accountable to the shareholders. But we are not a private company. We are a public school. Which means that they will have to be held accountable to the people.
 
The problem with this is that we are not a private corporation. We are a public university. So there needs to be more transparency and above all, a reasonable amount of confidence that whomever takes the lead, they will be able to the job. But so far, we've had none of this. Herreld has given few details of his plans here. He appears to be behind the curve when it comes to understanding university policies. And he lied on his resume to get the job. If a private company wants to hire such a candidate, that's their business. They will held accountable to the shareholders. But we are not a private company. We are a public school. Which means that they will have to be held accountable to the people.

"Tenure" takes away accountability.
 
I could be wrong, but all I've heard from him so far are more general ideas about working more with faculty and students and innovating new ideas. That's all well and good, but what are these exact ideas?

I would imagine he wants to work with faculty and students so they can help him generate ideas.

It is best to get stake holders involved don't you think?

Would you rather him make decisions in a vacuum?
 
I'm sure all the professors, academics, etc. think they're doing God's work here - but as someone who has never worked in academia (which would be most of us) this just looks more and more pathetic with each passing day. In the real world - top execs get hired you don't like. A big portion of the time, the fix is in on that hire. You either deal with it and find a way to work through it or you move on.

Maybe I'd feel different if my view was from the ivory tower of a university - but I think the majority of us who don't and won't work at a university view the squeaky wheels as petulant children. Outside in it looks pathetic and petty.
But, you already disqualified yourself as having a relevant opinion. You are not affected by the selection.

A public university is far different from the corporate world, and as such the hiring of a university president does follow a certain protocol not seen generally in the corporate world. The university has to work closely with, and in many regards is dependent on, the Board of Regents. Transparency in the actions of the Board is imperative to a cooperative working relationship between the parties. Trust in the judgments and decisions of the BoR is critical, and currently that trust has been violated. Since Harreld is currently regarded as an extension of the BoR, there is little trust among many faculty members with him. This may not seem like a big deal to those outside of academia, but t's apparent he's not familiar with the workings of academia since he wasn't even able to provide an appropriate CV for employment consideration.

Is it fair Harreld is being scrutinized so heavily? Maybe, maybe not. However, the only ones to blame for this situation are Bruce Rastetter and the rest of the Board of Regents. They brought it upon themselves.
 
I'm sure all the professors, academics, etc. think they're doing God's work here - but as someone who has never worked in academia (which would be most of us) this just looks more and more pathetic with each passing day. In the real world - top execs get hired you don't like. A big portion of the time, the fix is in on that hire. You either deal with it and find a way to work through it or you move on.

Maybe I'd feel different if my view was from the ivory tower of a university - but I think the majority of us who don't and won't work at a university view the squeaky wheels as looking like petulant children. Outside in it looks pathetic and petty.

You are used to being in the private sector and getting crapped on by management and accept it.
 
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Just icu being icu.
 
"Tenure" takes away accountability.
Tenure is actually something I don't have a problem being reviewed. I think there is some merit in rewarding length of employment, but I also think there needs to be higher standards to achieve such status, and I don't think it's unreasonable that it's something that can be reviewed periodically. I know, that takes away the traditional definition of tenure, but I know many faculty who are spinning the same wheels they did 2 decades ago, generating a publication every few years, maybe a small grant from some philanthropic group here or there, 'teaching' only sporadically, etc., really not contributing anything unique anymore.

I'm not talking about those who are dynamic teachers in the classroom and write a chapter occasionally, but for whom grants are not necessarily their forte'. I'm talking about someone in a dusty lab who hasn't seen the light of day since the first Bush was president and hasn't generated a new idea since Reagan.
 
I would imagine he wants to work with faculty and students so they can help him generate ideas.

It is best to get stake holders involved don't you think?

Would you rather him make decisions in a vacuum?
Absolutely not. I think working with students and faculty is a fantastic idea. But he should also be coming into this job with a list of already formed ideas and be willing to adapt those ideas, or even throw them away altogether, if they are shown to be not viable. So far, it appears he doesn't even have the first step of this equation which should be a red flag.

To me, depending on the faculty and staff to fill you in on all the details sounds a bit like Trump's foreign policy promise that although he doesn't know much now, he can simply depend on advisers to fill him in on real details in the future. It doesn't exactly inspire confidence.
 
I'd agree that my opinion doesn't have much value. Actually it has none as I'm not @ the U of I and I don't ever plan to be. I'm more of an interested observer than anything as an alumni. But the phrase I tell my 10 year old comes to my head often when I see these headlines - "Guess what kiddo, you don't always get what you want, so suck it up."

One thing is for sure - it's a full on soap opera that can only play out in very few work environments in the world today. Soap operas typically aren't good for anybody - and both sides are coming out with egg on their faces if you ask me.
 
Absolutely not. I think working with students and faculty is a fantastic idea. But he should also be coming into this job with a list of already formed ideas and be willing to adapt those ideas, or even throw them away altogether, if others think they aren't viable.

Why do you want him to have preconceived ideas for solutions before he has experienced fully the problems and the people who are impacted by them?

When you are new to a position the worst thing you can do is rush to judgment.

I would think you would be more concerned about a presumptuous maverick than you would be about a inquisitive collaborator.

Your outrage is confusing.
 
And perhaps there in lies the problem.... Looks to me like there is a tremendous amount of academic butt hurt in Iowa City right now.....
Much the same we are seeing with the current Repub's running for office and the view of them - "they don't have any policital experience..." Why does the Left only want "their kind" to hold a high position?
 
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Why do you want him to have preconceived ideas for solutions before he has experienced fully the problems and the people who are impacted by them?

When you are new to a position the worst thing you can do is rush to judgment.

I would think you would be more concerned about a presumptuous maverick than you would be about a inquisitive collaborator.

Your outrage is confusing.

Sounds like either way this guy can't win with some.
 
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Why do you want him to have preconceived ideas for solutions before he has experienced fully the problems and the people who are impacted by them?

When you are new to a position the worst thing you can do is rush to judgment.

I would think you would be more concerned about a presumptuous maverick than you would be about a inquisitive collaborator.

Your outrage is confusing.
As with anything, the best solution often lies in the middle. You don't want someone to come in, not listen to anyone, and simply dictate what they want. But at the same token, you also don't want someone who doesn't have any ideas, and is depending on everyone around him to come up with the solutions. And it appears that Herreld is in the latter example.
 
Much the same we are seeing with the current Repub's running for office and the view of them - "they don't have any policital experience..." Why does the Left only want "their kind" to hold a high position?

Really this from the Party that choose Barrack Obama? lol Mr. Zero Experience?
 
I'd agree that my opinion doesn't have much value. Actually it has none as I'm not @ the U of I and I don't ever plan to be. I'm more of an interested observer than anything as an alumni. But the phrase I tell my 10 year old comes to my head often when I see these headlines - "Guess what kiddo, you don't always get what you want, so suck it up."

One thing is for sure - it's a full on soap opera that can only play out in very few work environments in the world today. Soap operas typically aren't good for anybody - and both sides are coming out with egg on their faces if you ask me.
Can't disagree with you. Unfortunately, the BoR set up Harreld for potential failure, though, with their sham selection process. Had they just been honest from the get-go, very little animosity would have taken place (yes, you'd still have grumblings, but they would have been lessened, I'm sure). What they seem to be forgetting is the president needs the faculty support to get any initiatives off the ground. AND, the faculty must remember that if they want any changes or improvements they must be willing to work with the president.

Hopefully, it all works out in the end. I don't see any of this as an indication that Harreld is NOT capable of doing a good job. Even though I was strongly in support of Dr. Steinmetz for the position, I have no qualms that if given a chance Harreld can be successful. But, his job has been made much more difficult by the actions of Rastetter and the BoR. I think all this 'censuring' is just a way of publicly stating a collective opinion of certain faculty members (I didn't partake in any of it personally). Then, if Harreld is still president starting on November 2, it's back to business as usual. At least that's what I hope. If it continues and faculty and Harreld butt heads constantly, nothing will get accomplished, and that's not good for anyone affiliate with the University of Iowa.
 
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As with anything, the best solution often lies in the middle. You don't want someone to come in, not listen to anyone, and simply dictate what they want. But at the same token, you also don't want someone who doesn't have any ideas, and is depending on everyone around him to come up with the solutions. And it appears that Herreld is in the latter example.

Has he actually started work yet?
 
To me it's a bit like putting someone in charge of the Department of Justice who has no background in law. It automatically raises red flags.
 
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The guy seems to be in hiding. He is supposed to start in just over a month.

I read a few of his articles. One thing that bothers me a little is that none are written by just him. Its hard to tell just what he contributed to an article.
 
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Can't disagree with you. Unfortunately, the BoR set up Harreld for potential failure, though, with their sham selection process. Had they just been honest from the get-go, very little animosity would have taken place (yes, you'd still have grumblings, but they would have been lessened, I'm sure). What they seem to be forgetting is the president needs the faculty support to get any initiatives off the ground. AND, the faculty must remember that if they want any changes or improvements they must be willing to work with the president.

Hopefully, it all works out in the end. I don't see any of this as an indication that Harreld is NOT capable of doing a good job. Even though I was strongly in support of Dr. Steinmetz for the position, I have no qualms that if given a chance Harreld can be successful. But, his job has been made much more difficult by the actions of Rastetter and the BoR. I think all this 'censuring' is just a way of publicly stating a collective opinion of certain faculty members (I didn't partake in any of it personally). Then, if Harreld is still president starting on November 2, it's back to business as usual. At least that's what I hope. If it continues and faculty and Harreld butt heads constantly, nothing will get accomplished, and that's not good for anyone affiliate with the University of Iowa.

Do you believe the faculty will be that mulish that they won't even try to work with an "outsider"?

If so, what type of picture does that paint to the public?
 
Can't disagree with you. Unfortunately, the BoR set up Harreld for potential failure, though, with their sham selection process. Had they just been honest from the get-go, very little animosity would have taken place (yes, you'd still have grumblings, but they would have been lessened, I'm sure). What they seem to be forgetting is the president needs the faculty support to get any initiatives off the ground. AND, the faculty must remember that if they want any changes or improvements they must be willing to work with the president.

Hopefully, it all works out in the end. I don't see any of this as an indication that Harreld is NOT capable of doing a good job. Even though I was strongly in support of Dr. Steinmetz for the position, I have no qualms that if given a chance Harreld can be successful. But, his job has been made much more difficult by the actions of Rastetter and the BoR. I think all this 'censuring' is just a way of publicly stating a collective opinion of certain faculty members (I didn't partake in any of it personally). Then, if Harreld is still president starting on November 2, it's back to business as usual. At least that's what I hope. If it continues and faculty and Harreld butt heads constantly, nothing will get accomplished, and that's not good for anyone affiliate with the University of Iowa.

I believe you've stated you work at UIHC, I can't recall if it was mostly clinical, research or teaching or all three. I was wondering if you could you provide some insight on what kind of potential impact the UI President can have on the UIHC? I always thought they were a little more autonomous and obviously they have a separate set of leadership/executives as well. Have you seen big changes during previous Presidential transitions?

Thanks.
 
If it continues and faculty and Harreld butt heads constantly, nothing will get accomplished, and that's not good for anyone affiliate with the University of Iowa.

This is the part I hope everyone realizes. Passions are running high. Egos are swelling. Feelings are getting hurt. If people can't get past that by 11/2 - months if not years are going to be wasted as the bickering hinders progress.
 
The guy seems to be in hiding. He is supposed to start in just over a month.

I read a few of his articles. One thing that bothers me a little is that none are written by just him. Its hard to tell just what he contributed to an article.
 
The guy seems to be in hiding. He is supposed to start in just over a month.

I read a few of his articles. One thing that bothers me a little is that none are written by just him. Its hard to tell just what he contributed to an article.
It looks like we're starting to see a pattern develop here. He collaborates with other people and then takes all the credit at the end. Certainly seems like he's going down this route with Iowa.
 
I believe you've stated you work at UIHC, I can't recall if it was mostly clinical, research or teaching or all three. I was wondering if you could you provide some insight on what kind of potential impact the UI President can have on the UIHC? I always thought they were a little more autonomous and obviously they have a separate set of leadership/executives as well. Have you seen big changes during previous Presidential transitions?

Thanks.
All 3. Our side won't see much change, and to be honest with you I don't foresee wholesale changes on the other side of the river either. I truly think all this consternation is much ado about nothing. I actually think some of the changes will come at more of an infrastructure level, if you will. I think there will be a review of departments across campus that are performing redundant duties, eliminate some of that redundancy through job attrition mostly, find new means to foster profit from ingenuity, encourage collaborations with the private sector (something that hasn't really been a focus at an administrative level). We're still pulling in some good grant money via collaborations with pharmaceuticals (despite my opinions of many of them o_O) through clinical trials, but NIH funding has been trending down (although, this could change with FY2016 -- a proposed 5.8% increase!).

Putting aside the UIHC, as CEO Kates does a great job and I don't think Harreld will do much 'healthcare-wise', what's needed is a dynamic leader with a proven track record of an ability to cut costs and generate revenue via internal means AND external means, and also establish a vision for future growth. I know these sound like campaign promises, but let's face it there is a lot of politicking when it comes to higher education administration. Much of a university's growth comes from public reputation, not so much how they see themselves. We're in a time of very rapid change and in some ways public education, both at primary school and university levels, are lagging behind. Maybe it is time to have someone with a corporate background, and track record of ingenuity, lead a large university into the modern era.

One thing I think could help at the university level not just at Iowa, but elsewhere, is reduce the number of PhDs being awarded. There are way too many coming through the graduate schools getting their PhD, completing a fellowship, and fully anticipating walking into their own fully funded laboratory with an R01 from the first time they apply. That ain't happening anymore. There's a glut of PhDs right now, and this has to change at some point. Just looking at the Society for Neuroscience conference for next month there are 7 different program guides of over 100 pages each. That's a listing of all presentations, exhibits, etc. (with some redundancy regarding housing, shuttle, dining and such). Granted, this is an international conference, but the point is a lot of the presenters are current grad students (it's one thing we require of them) and all are under the impression they will have their own lab at a well-respected university within the next 4-6 years and most of them will not.

Sorry to get off on a tangent, but it's a problem among a lot of schools. You're proud of the number of PhDs your school produces, but then where do they all go?
 
Do you believe the faculty will be that mulish that they won't even try to work with an "outsider"?

If so, what type of picture does that paint to the public?
I certainly hope they are not obstructionist. I'm sure some will be just out of spite, but that doesn't do anybody any good. At the same time I hope Harreld doesn't end up being just a pawn for the BoR and is willing to stand up to them when they discuss making changes that could negatively impact the University of Iowa. If he acquiesces to the whims of the BoR that could spell doom in the long run in his ability to work with faculty.
 
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How many of the candidates had a private phone call from Terry Branstad set up by Bruce Rastetter? If the answer is only Bruce Harreld there is another scent of dead fish about this whole process.
 
this job search sounds like every real world job search I've ever been involved in.

shocking that academics think something is wrong with the process.
 
this job search sounds like every real world job search I've ever been involved in.

shocking that academics think something is wrong with the process.
That's because there are fundamental differences between academia and the corporate world. The two can share some similarities in executive decision-making process. However, the organizational structure and people to whom the president oversees are vastly different than one would see in a for-profit industry. It goes far beyond presiding over administration, staff, and faculty. One must realize there are many levels within a large university, each somewhat autonomous within the general structure and goals of the university, as well as the largest number of people in the system: the students.

There are too many differences to say with any degree of confidence that a successful corporate executive would make a fine university president. It's also true that a highly successful university president does not necessarily mean he or she would be superb in the corporate world. In either scenario, you could see one transitioning to the other field, but its certainly not a given.
 
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I think what the faculty is really pissed about is the fact that they don't matter. 2/3 of the U of I is the UIHC, and that is very much a business. The hospital has a different view of him then the faculty.
A pretty good % of the academics are a bunch of self important narcissistic people who are shocked that the people below them do not bow before them. A great example are all the Duke academic's who put the ad in the paper demanding those students be kicked out of school. Then when the whole thing was shown to be a hoax, they refused to even say they were sorry
 
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A pretty good % of the academics are a bunch of self important narcissistic people who are shocked that the people below them do not bow before them. A great example are all the Duke academic's who put the ad in the paper demanding those students be kicked out of school. Then when the whole thing was shown to be a hoax, they refused to even say they were sorry
There are definitely those types on both sides of the river (Robillard), but I think you'll find them in all walks of life. I grew up in the airline industry (both my dad and grandpa flew for United) and there is no shortage of arrogance among the pilots I've known over the decades.
 
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