Faculty group censures Harreld over ethics

[gusto79]

A pretty good % of the academics are a bunch of self important narcissistic people who are shocked that the people below them do not bow before them. A great example are all the Duke academic's who put the ad in the paper demanding those students be kicked out of school. Then when the whole thing was shown to be a hoax, they refused to even say they were sorry

How many academics do you personally know?

 

[lucas80]

this job search sounds like every real world job search I've ever been involved in.

shocking that academics think something is wrong with the process.

When Mrs. Lucas was hired by UIHC there were a lot of protocols to be followed. I was shocked how drawn out it was because her department is so male dominated I figured a highly qualified woman would be a shoe in. Nope, all kinds of diversity guidelines and posting periods to adhere to. Lot's of people had to sign off on the hire. It isn't so simple as to say the University of Iowa isn't the real world. There are established guidelines for hiring in the university, and for this position. I don't think the protocols were followed in spirit, and there appears to be stonewalling now as to if the protocols were followed in practice.

 

[lucas80]

A pretty good % of the academics are a bunch of self important narcissistic people who are shocked that the people below them do not bow before them. A great example are all the Duke academic's who put the ad in the paper demanding those students be kicked out of school. Then when the whole thing was shown to be a hoax, they refused to even say they were sorry

I don't know what you do for a living, but, if you've never met a self important narcissist in the business world you've led a charmed life.

 

[reotto]

Ciggy just beat me to it. This is very troubling. I jokingly said the fix was in when Harreld was announced. Now, I am not so sure that cannot be openly said. Some of you will misunderstand the difference between a public job, and a private job. Some of you will not understand the optics of this situation, and how it relates to hiring a person to lead a public university. Did the other candidates receive such attention and access?
I do not know the inner workings of the BoR, but, did the regents that met with Harreld generally align themselves with Bruce Rastetter? And, did him not attending allow him a little deniability, even though he was the driving force behind the meetings?
I am not joking at all when I say at this point Harreld and Rastetter need to both appear in public and answer all questions put to them about this hiring process. Both of them need to go to ground zero on this, and answer fully all questions about any communication between them. Were private emails and cell phones used. Again, not joking. A public university post hiring has to have transparency. I am not seeing it here.
I want Harreld to succeed. I want the University of Iowa to succeed. The worst thing in my mind right now is for Harreld to be pushed out before he takes over. However, he must come clean. He needs to go on the carpet and take every question asked, and he needs to have Rastetter with him.

He used a private email server in his basement for all his behind the scenes communications. What difference does it make?

 

[reotto]

I dont care that he put the LLC down if he was actually working. I'd like to know how much he was actually working.

You are simply wrong to state there were no inaccuracies, though. That LLC wasnt active for several years. He can claim it was an accident, but I bet he did it because it sounds better on the resume than I did some private consulting for the last year and a half.

I never knew actual work was that important to you. Would it help if he admitted to doing nothing, and received compensation for it? I mean as long as he was getting $15/hour as his minimum wage for doing nothing; then what is the problem?

 

[lucas80]

He used a private email server in his basement for all his behind the scenes communications. What difference does it make?

For a publicly offered job it means a lot. Rastetter said he organized one of the meetings from the offices of the ag company he runs. This isn't some cute deflection on my part, or a wink at Hillary Clinton's problems. A publicly offered job has to be hired in transparency, and by guidelines different from the private world. If Rastetter admits to this, what else is there? Did any of the other candidates have this level access to Rastetter and other BoR members?

 

[reotto]

The problem with this is that we are not a private corporation. We are a public university. So there needs to be more transparency and above all, a reasonable amount of confidence that whomever takes the lead, they will be able to the job. But so far, we've had none of this. Herreld has given few details of his plans here. He appears to be behind the curve when it comes to understanding university policies. And he lied on his resume to get the job. If a private company wants to hire such a candidate, that's their business. They will held accountable to the shareholders. But we are not a private company. We are a public school. Which means that they will have to be held accountable to the people.

Your request for accountability and transparency. Ironic? Hypocritical?

 

[reotto]

For a publicly offered job it means a lot. Rastetter said he organized one of the meetings from the offices of the ag company he runs. This isn't some cute deflection on my part, or a wink at Hillary Clinton's problems. A publicly offered job has to be hired in transparency, and by guidelines different from the private world. If Rastetter admits to this, what else is there? Did any of the other candidates have this level access to Rastetter and other BoR members?

Your selective and dare I say faux outrage is hypocritical at best. This is the problem with being political only in an effort to see your views supported, now the shoe is on the other foot and no one is listening. I'm the one giggling in the corner like a school girl at your outrage. Sucks huh when the rules are ignored and individuals think they are above the rules? Hey but whatever it takes to get your way, huh?

 

[BABiscuit]

I never knew actual work was that important to you. Would it help if he admitted to doing nothing, and received compensation for it? I mean as long as he was getting $15/hour as his minimum wage for doing nothing; then what is the problem?

I noticed you claimed strawmen in two different posts. What fallacy would you label this response? It is so dumb I cant tell if it is a strawman or an ad hominem attack.

 

[Hawk and Awe]

this job search sounds like every real world job search I've ever been involved in.

shocking that academics think something is wrong with the process.

Is it though?

Both sides are wrong in this but I think you're ignoring what the BOR did here. They asked a group of smart, intelligent and important people their time would be well spent by evaluating candidates. They made a point to say they would have a voice in the process and their opinion was valued.... And then totally ignored them.

The lack of diplomacy is shocking. I'm not sure how I would respond, but I can certainly appreciate how it would be insulting.

 

[swagsurfer02]

I've worked in both public and the private sector. I think there are ppl who slack off in both, however it's much more difficult to cut the fat in the public arena than the private sector. In the public sector it had to be pretty egregious, and then ppl were walked out.

The private sector doesn't really screw around from what I've found.

 

[DogBoyRy]

Actually, anybody applying for any academic position should know and understand the rules of listing publications (all co-authors are to be included) on your CV. This is the standard at every institution whether you're talking about applying for an adjunct instructor position at Kirkwood or senior level faculty member at a large university. The publications he listed would indicate he was the sole author or at least 1st author on all of the publications. This in fact is not the case; on many of the publications he was not the first author (ie., primary writer/contributor). In academics, it's critical to list ALL authors, especially when you are implying you were the first author.

As far as the LLC, I'm not familiar enough with those standards. If he said it was just a mistake on his part and apologized for the error, that's good enough for me.

I might consider this more of a management position than academic - not every job at UI is academic.

 

[lucas80]

Your selective and dare I say faux outrage is hypocritical at best. This is the problem with being political only in an effort to see your views supported, now the shoe is on the other foot and no one is listening. I'm the one giggling in the corner like a school girl at your outrage. Sucks huh when the rules are ignored and individuals think they are above the rules? Hey but whatever it takes to get your way, huh?

Weird. Giggling in the corner like a schoolgirl is how I always pictured you.

 

[slieb85]

I dont care that he put the LLC down if he was actually working. I'd like to know how much he was actually working.

You are simply wrong to state there were no inaccuracies, though. That LLC wasnt active for several years. He can claim it was an accident, but I bet he did it because it sounds better on the resume than I did some private consulting for the last year and a half.

Ding ding ding.

 

[slieb85]

I bet he did more work than all the faculty members combined.

Dumb post is dumb.

The idea that academics don't work and business people do work is such corporatist slurpage. And I'm not going into the former, and will be working solely to help corporations more profitable. But I still understand that your post is completely idiotic drivel.

 

[waterboy4582]

Dumb post is dumb.

The idea that academics don't work and business people do work is such corporatist slurpage. And I'm not going into the former, and will be working solely to help corporations more profitable. But I still understand that your post is completely idiotic drivel.

must be faculty huh?

 

[slieb85]

must be faculty huh?

No. I just appreciate how much work is required to get there, and also realize that a lot of people ascend in business without nearly as much work.

I'll be doing work that is about as far from academia as it gets.

 

[Chewback]

And that appears to be the rub. What are Herreld's exact plans here? I could be wrong, but all I've heard from him so far are more general ideas about working more with faculty and students and innovating new ideas. That's all well and good, but what are these exact ideas? The fact is that he has zero experience in this role, so the proof is on him to show that he actually has detailed plans to better our university. Simply throwing out a few general ideas, without specifics, does little reassure anyone of his ability to lead a major university.

My guess is that his plan is to do exactly what the Board of Rastetter tells him to do.

 

[Chewback]

I'm sure all the professors, academics, etc. think they're doing God's work here - but as someone who has never worked in academia (which would be most of us) this just looks more and more pathetic with each passing day. In the real world - top execs get hired you don't like. A big portion of the time, the fix is in on that hire. You either deal with it and find a way to work through it or you move on.

Maybe I'd feel different if my view was from the ivory tower of a university - but I think the majority of us who don't and won't work at a university view the squeaky wheels as looking like petulant children. Outside in it looks pathetic and petty.

Nick Johnson has a column about this in the Gazette today. In it he said that legally the BoR could have simply picked Harreld back in July and not wasted the time and energies of the search committee and the 40 odd other applicants. All these people were led to believe they were going to have a part in the selection process when it turns out the whole process was a sham. They are more upset over being played than the fact Harreld has no credentials for the job, although they are upset about that as well.

 

[Chewback]

Much the same we are seeing with the current Repub's running for office and the view of them - "they don't have any policital experience..." Why does the Left only want "their kind" to hold a high position?

"I know nothing about what this job entails but I know I'll be good at it."