So now Fran is 100% to blame for the loss of Josh and Pryce, and the money had nothing to do with it? Lmao.
You realize those guys had a choice to return and play for Ben, right? Suppose the fact that they didn't had something to do with Fran too
Fans are partly to blame...
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You realize those guys had a choice to return and play for Ben, right? Suppose the fact that they didn't had something to do with Fran too
This place was swarming with praise for Luka and Keegan as well as the team when it played well (2022 BTT).
I have stated this on several occasions, but if you watch any amount of college basketball, you will see a lot of decent teams playing before very sparse crowds. It wasn't just Iowa. It's a sign of the economic times, among other things.
Bullshit...it was a bad product and it's not different than when someone stops buying a consumer item that no longer has appeal.
As the board has been swarmed with bitching after numerous football victories.
The complainers are a constant. The praisers come and go
Can you read? I'm blaming the lack of fan support on Fran. He killed fan-player outreach on many many levels and thats where it all started. Then with the continuing complete lack of tournament success (mixed wtih a double-shot of nepotism), the Fran fatigure kicked in FAST. Fans moved their time and money to the more likeable and successful women's program.
Also I really don't care that Dix or Sandfort aren't back. If I was a player and my coach left, I'd want to choose my next one too. And I sure as hell don't want Iowa blowing their NIL load on players who haven't won and don't want to be here, especially when a coach is trying to jump start a program his way with his players.
Man, you are really one of the worst fans and posters on here.
Bingo.
That what this all comes down to. The difference between consumers and fans.
Consumers are the ones that quit. Fans never quit (absent of some sort of moral issue in the program).
That's why there is very little intersection in these conversations. Consumers talk about what consumers do. And fans talk about what fans do.
Real fans understand that their role is to support. I will again mention that Ben has said the best fanbases show up no matter what.
It's the difference between "what can I do for them?", and "what can they do for me?".
If you're a consumer rather than a fan, that's fine. Choose not to watch. Just keep your complaints to yourself, because there can be an impact by the aggregate on every part of Hawkeye nation, and it's not a positive impact.
Also be quiet, because having a consumer's mentality in the first place, is what set you up for disappointment. I have NEVER not been entertained by a Hawkeye sporting event
I do but sometimes I have to check on the flavor of bull shit being vomited. At least they're consistent.Word of advice, guys. Hit the ignore button.
He is next level. Not sure if trolling, a McCaffery relative, or just a complete moran who really believes what he types. Pretty entertaining ether way
Well, you did take a little turn in the thread by making it about who was to blame for the lack of attendance.
I think there's certainly some truth to saying Fran could have had better public relations. A big step would have been to have gotten Margaret under control. Her behavior at Iowa games, high school games, press conferences, fund raisers, just can't happen. That fact that it continued, falls on Fran.
What complicates things is Margaret definitely had reason to be upset with Iowa fans. The shit Patrick took coming off of cancer. The shit Jack took after that tragedy. And the constant shit the family took for the ridiculous nepotism narrative. Get a life, people. It's really very sad.
Regardless of Margaret's right to be upset, the McCaffrey's needed to understand that part of their job was public relations, and how to keep certain things to themselves.
But beyond that, attendance issues with Iowa basketball spans back 3 coaches. Is Fran at fault for all that too?
Women's basketball is very relevant for you to have brought up. There is a strong correlation between a significant drop in men's attendance and a huge upswing in women's attendance during the same time period.
There are a few reasons for this, "product" being one of them that's actually overrated, or at least misinterpreted. There are different interpretations of product for different fans/consumers. For most of them, some mixture of most of these exists. But some are most interested in the "Hawkeye" aspect of it. Some are most interested in a winner. Some are most interested in the "basketball" aspect of it. Some are most interested in the gender part of it. Some were most interested in the Caitlin part of it. Some were most interested in the novelty/circus show (for lack of a better way of putting it) element, of certain things being done on a basketball court by a woman.
There are many elements of the product of a basketball game. For the people who are most interested in the "basketball" aspect of the product, women's basketball is never a better product than men's basketball. It isn't possible. So that's one distinction that needs to be made
It’s looking like he McCaffery family friend or relative and a complete Moran
Yep. Sometimes I can't help myself and do have to take a quick peek on occasion, to see what these guys are saying...
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If anyone wants to know what quitting on a team looks like. This is it.
Iowa men's basketball coach Fran McCaffery was ejected during the Big Ten Tournament game against Illinois on March 13, 2025, after receiving two technical fouls in quick succession. This ejection came as the Hawkeyes were trailing in the second half. McCaffery's actions, including arguing with officials, ultimately led to his removal from the game. The ejection also marked the end of McCaffery's 15-year tenure as Iowa's head coach.
Iowa men's basketball coach Fran McCaffery was ejected during the Big Ten Tournament game against Illinois on March 13, 2025, after receiving two technical fouls in quick succession. This ejection came as the Hawkeyes were trailing in the second half. McCaffery's actions, including arguing with officials, ultimately led to his removal from the game. The ejection also marked the end of McCaffery's 15-year tenure as Iowa's head coach.
You guys either pick and choose what you read on here, or are incredibly stupid to label me as part of the McCaffrey camp.
If you pick and choose what you read, maybe don't include others as part of your incomplete perspective.
If you're incredibly stupid, maybe keep to yourself as much as possible too
Definition of insanity. Iowa football is there too with the same issues year after year.
So you took the Lickliter years off
Yup. I pretty much quit caring about football about five years ago. Our offense is embarrassing to junior high coaches.
All hail king of the hawkeye fans. God you suck @eyesofhawk
I would say 99% of posters on here thinks you are a Fran Stan. We get it, you loveeeeee the McCaffreys and getting a chance to white knight for him. I’m honestly not so sure you are a Hawkeye fan but just a Fran fan. So many examples of you going to bat for him on here, including in this thread.
Normally I would….but most of his posts are just too nonsensical. I can always use a good laugh.Word of advice, guys. Hit the ignore button.
People still go to football games even though watching Quantum Leap reruns is more entertaining. Bakula version, obviously.
Not to single you out in particular but I was hoping someone would make this comparison. There are only 7 home football games a year. All on a Saturday. Infinitely easier to travel to/plan around than a Tuesday 8 pm game. And you can make a day out of it. There is no "tailgate" scene for college basketball nor is the time of year conducive to it. Now that isn't to say that 10k people in the Iowa City area shouldn't be available to watch basketball but if you have $350 a year (hypothetical) to spend on in person sporting events, I'd take a football Saturday over basketball Tuesday every time.
This! In addition, the fanbase used the coaching as their #1 excuse not to donate to SWARM. Now that we have changed coaches I wonder what their go to excuse will be for not donating to SWARM?
There are some doozies on here. But far more than 1% of you are literate.
You really should stop. You're embarrassing yourself with this again.
You have NEVER provided a link to me going to bat for Fran.
I, in the past, have provided you a link to me saying I wished someone other than Fran were coach. The link also explained how I have barely posted on the basketball board for years, essentially because I haven't had anything nice to say. Would you like me to link it again?
I honestly don't know what kind of crack you are smoking, but my only commentary on Fran in this thread was how he could have done a better job with public relations.
How is that going to bat for Fran, lmao? What on earth are you talking about? Again, you are embarrassing yourself
Oh shut the **** up and stop playing coy. You're a contrarian turd every chance you get.
Of course the fans are to blame. Much like voters are to blame for whoever is in office at any time. Just like restaurants close when not enough people come to eat. Fran got let stop go because people quit coming to the games. The fans effectively got rid of him, Beth just had to do the formalities. If we had finished with the same record, but the arena was full, Fran would still be here.
The fans did not quit on the team they quit going to see the same BS after 14/15 years of McCaffery. The fans voted with their absence on McCaffery. BTW I do not thing BMac is judging the fans he was just making a comment about attendance and the two quitters that left. JMO
This is so crazy to me. Am I supposed to spend my money on an obviously uninspired product? The women’s team and football teams are a pretty consistent draw, even in leaner years. To say that the fans should pack Carver for a team that, at times, looked like they didn’t want to be there themselves is an odd claim to make. We were a bottom-tier Big Ten team that nearly failed to make the conference tournament. What was there to celebrate? “Sure, we gave up 94 points, but we scored 70! If we had made eight more threes, we would have been right back in it!”
Actually, I had been looking forward to this scenario for the past half decade. Thanks for the visual.If anyone wants to know what quitting on a team looks like. This is it.
Iowa men's basketball coach Fran McCaffery was ejected during the Big Ten Tournament game against Illinois on March 13, 2025, after receiving two technical fouls in quick succession. This ejection came as the Hawkeyes were trailing in the second half. McCaffery's actions, including arguing with officials, ultimately led to his removal from the game. The ejection also marked the end of McCaffery's 15-year tenure as Iowa's head coach.
Exactly. As was with Lickliter, fans were tired of a poor, futile product and spoke loudly. With their wallets.
At the end of the day, Fran lost the fanbase for a myriad of reasons. The fans didn’t quit.
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