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Fear mongering

You have to wait until the market bottoms before you declare yourself a victim of fear mongering.

 
Thought when he first announced tariffs back in March. The Dow was heading for low to mid 30’s before a retreat by Trump. Starting to think I was too conservative. EU announces tomorrow. Then I’m sure China responds to his response. Might break 30.
 
Thought when he first announced tariffs back in March. The Dow was heading for low to mid 30’s before a retreat by Trump. Starting to think I was too conservative. EU announces tomorrow. Then I’m sure China responds to his response. Might break 30.
What is interesting is the market wants so badly to rebound, that it tries to rally only be be snuffed out by Trump. At some point he will break the market's back. I think the Trump takes the S&P back down below 4,000 before he's done.
 
What is interesting is the market wants so badly to rebound, that it tries to rally only be be snuffed out by Trump. At some point he will break the market's back.
The market sees everyone still wants to make money. Believe one simple change of the old man’s whim will set it back to normal.
It doesn’t understand his response to crisis is to dig in . Especially if he’s wrong. Be it something beyond his control such as Corona. Or completely self created tariffs or election nonsense. Similar to Republicans going to the White House for Nixon a group of business leaders, politicians, etc need to apply pressure. Only pressure he understands pull money and/or start impeaching folks.
 
That's all you have? And you call ME the pussy? 😂

Everything I said about you was spot on. You really are the piece of Sh!t we all knew you were.

It's really quite amazing and sad, 45,332 post under this account and so many more under your other(s). Get a Fu@king life moron.

Or, better yet....keep posting all day every day from your basement safe space. But again.....don't foget your meds! Chode. :rolleyes:
All that's needed. Yes.

Besides being stupid you have the wit of a dead fish. Carry on - it's fun pulling your strings puppet.
 
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Thought when he first announced tariffs back in March. The Dow was heading for low to mid 30’s before a retreat by Trump. Starting to think I was too conservative. EU announces tomorrow. Then I’m sure China responds to his response. Might break 30.
And Whiskey will celebrate 30.5 as a win for Trump.
 
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The market sees everyone still wants to make money. Believe one simple change of the old man’s whim will set it back to normal.
It doesn’t understand his response to crisis is to dig in . Especially if he’s wrong. Be it something beyond his control such as Corona. Or completely self created tariffs or election nonsense. Similar to Republicans going to the White House for Nixon a group of business leaders, politicians, etc need to apply pressure. Only pressure he understands pull money and/or start impeaching folks.
The distinction here is that the George Hearst from Deadwood types who previously would have never had reason to fault Trump are now getting potentially murdered in the market. Which makes those types want to murder, literally.

Trump should be getting extreme pressure now from people he never ever would have imagined previously he had to worry about.

We're in a very interesting time period in the whole history of the country.
 
The distinction here is that the George Hearst from Deadwood types who previously would have never had reason to fault Trump are now getting potentially murdered in the market. Which makes those types want to murder, literally.

Trump should be getting extreme pressure now from people he never ever would have imagined previously he had to worry about.

We're in a very interesting time period in the whole history of the country.
Hope so. The man need to be put in timeout. Don’t mess with our infinity pools :).
 
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What is interesting is the market wants so badly to rebound, that it tries to rally only be be snuffed out by Trump. At some point he will break the market's back. I think the Trump takes the S&P back down below 4,000 before he's done.
We can now assume he'll do the wrong thing at every opportunity just to show he's unpredictable.
 
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To protect small businesses. Some communities actually care about small guy. Unlike the US. The EU doesn’t want to look like a bunch of mini malls.
They don’t let in our foods because of how unhealthy it is.
Cultures simply have different values.
True that. I really wish we would treat our food more like the EU does......it is amazing, when you look into it, just how bad our food really is.
 
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The Fed is independent. They aren’t there to soothe nerves due to a crazy old man tanking the markets. How would lowering rates soothe inflation?
The biggest effect would be to jumpstart both the Lending and housing markets, which have been bad since covid. This is the space where I reside and in talking with lenders, that is the one thing they are looking for as a possible positive outcome. Of course, if the rest of the economy is in shambles....it won't make much of a difference. I notice this evening on talk radio on my way home, even staunch Trump supporters in business are starting to break with him.......
 
S&P futures were down a lot, but now not so much. I have no doubt today will be horrible as all the tariffs kick in. Also, I see china has retaliated. If today is not a red wedding type of event then that would be promising.
 
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1. This issue was already there and already present in the workforce when Biden took office. The effects continued to take effect. No different than now. We will have a labor shortage in those sectors that utilize immigrant workers in 12-18 months. I still have not seen any evidence that it was an issue prior to covid. What metric would I look at to show this?

2. I never said he had been jailed. Here is what I posted.

"Destroy investor confindence, fire primarily democratic or any other individual within government that opposes his position. You saw yesterday where he fired the lawyer that said the US had no valid answer for deporting a US citizen to south America and he is now imprisoned." - The imprisonment refers to the US citizen and if you read any article that I posted about it you would have understood the reference. Thanks for the clarification. I did indeed read that as the lawyer was in prison, but in truth, the lawyer was stating that the deported individual in now in prison. Thanks for the info.

3. Spending bills can be mistakes. Also admit there were logistical issues caused by Covid, and yes much of the inflation was transitory as it was quickly gone. With some remnants that are holding on, but that I would say would likely pop up into the system anyways. There was also an issue where profits and the economy were overinflated similar to now so valuations were too high. Go look at my posts back then, I said we were massively overvalued. I am still not sure why he felt the need for the spending bill. The economy was already recovering from the pandemic. If we had just been a bit more patient, I think he would have come out looking better. As is, the economy overheated and it cause the issue. Looking back, are you glad he did the spending bill?

So you are equating a natural pull back, possible policy mistake to a massive policy mistake that is pushing away Trading partners, disrupting logistical chains, effectively taxing consumers, and by most accounts - most business owners have already said has put us in a recession and has the potential to morph into a worldwide depression. (Joe's never put us in a recession). Investor confidence is gone. But, do you consider Biden's spending bill a "natural pull back"? Again, I am in no way happy with how this is going right now. I question how many trading partners are actually coming to the table and talking. If you listen to the administration, they are not at 50+ who have reached out. But, I have only heard of 2 or 3 countries actually being named. Again, he does not have a lot of time for this to turn things around. Everyone knows Trumps is an egomaniac. He wants to go down as one of the greatest in history. If he lets this go too far without seeing improvment, he will not be able to save (let alone build) what little legacy he even has,

4. Then why isn't the government trying to get these people back and why are they being used as pawns. I know that people have gotten removed that fit the criteria we have discussed. Do we have an accurate number? I know about the Maryland guy and there was some talk of a group of suspected Tren de aragua, but not aware of any more. I really do not understand why they simply will not ask for the Maryland resident back. They already admitted it was a mistake.
 
You may never had heard about it, but I have lived with it for many years. 4% unemployment used to be considered full employment. We have dealt with 2.1%. Our good ole Red states have relied on undocumented workers for as long as I can remember. We have had out major packing plants shut down across the state when ICE showed up.
Yesterday I was going through a facebook post from local beef producers about the lack of dairies in the area. The same people that were complaining were also the same people pushing for deportation.
I have lived here in Iowa and do know about the ICE raids at the meat packing plants over the years. Now as far as the lack of dairies in the area, I am not sure what to think of that. Some of my family (wife's actually) are farmers, with one doing dairy. They are happy about the focus on dairy exports, but they do not use any undocumented workers.
 
You did. You have, consistently. You're disingenuous, at best.

Only because you're a liar and welch on bets.
Nope....you can live in your own mind with what you want to think. I am past caring about you Riley. LOL.
 
Hysteria feeds recession. And news outlets play a role in whipping up the frenzy.

In the last week I've heard news outlets report that the tariffs will increase car prices $3,000.

Then $6,000.

Then yesterday $8,000.

This morning an outlet said as much as $10,000.
The Fuehrer can do no wrong. All this has to be the media's fault.

 
So Trump has now put tariffs on China that will go into effect up to 104%. They have also said China is not a priority in negotiations. What is his plan if they retaliate further?
Can I ask if you think the status quo was ok in dealing with China?

The sell billions more to us then they buy from us, despite having 3 times the amount of people. They also have been allowed to been one of the largest investers in the US with everything they own. 3/4 of a Trillion dollars at this point. I am scared of China because if they wanted to pull out of their investments, they would cripple our economy. The question is, do we just stand pat with it or let them continue to buy, buy, buy our R/E and invetsments?
 
How many days are we going to wait for Trumps plan to work Hawkman34? Looks like he crashed the market again today.
As I said earlier in this thread....I think we need to give it 60-90 days. I am continuing to buy in the market. It will work out for me. But, I have an older mother and father in law and they are scared to death about this. And, I totally get it.

But, 50% of the US has no investments in the stock market, none. 80% is held by the very rich....whom most people appear to despise. It is going to be a rough go for sure.
 
Can I ask if you think the status quo was ok in dealing with China?

The sell billions more to us then they buy from us, despite having 3 times the amount of people. They also have been allowed to been one of the largest investers in the US with everything they own. 3/4 of a Trillion dollars at this point. I am scared of China because if they wanted to pull out of their investments, they would cripple our economy. The question is, do we just stand pat with it or let them continue to buy, buy, buy our R/E and invetsments?

Somebody has lost a lot of money recently.

T's & PP's dude.
 
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9% inflation is going to be a cakewalk compared to the inflation from the tariffs.

And many middle class people get bonuses based on company performance. Almost 50%. So… there will likely be a reduction in real incomes this year purely as a result of this.
It is possible........I am hoping that the administration is honest when they say how many countries have reached out wanting to get this taken care of. Remember, the US is not the only one who is going to be hurting during this.
 
It is possible........I am hoping that the administration is honest when they say how many countries have reached out wanting to get this taken care of. Remember, the US is not the only one who is going to be hurting during this.
What would lead you to believe this?

They lie about everything, every single day.
 
The biggest effect would be to jumpstart both the Lending and housing markets, which have been bad since covid. This is the space where I reside and in talking with lenders, that is the one thing they are looking for as a possible positive outcome. Of course, if the rest of the economy is in shambles....it won't make much of a difference. I notice this evening on talk radio on my way home, even staunch Trump supporters in business are starting to break with him.......
Typically rates go up when we have inflation because the fed needs to cool the economy to prevent hyper inflation. I am not aware of the Fed dropping rates in an highly inflationary environment. When you drop rates you stimulate demand (as you said), this naturally increases prices. But we appear to be heading for stagflation or some weird recession/inflation environment which makes raising rates very difficult as it makes the recession worse.

I have no idea what the Fed will do because they are faced with a situation without modern precedent. You pretty much have to go back to the 1930’s to even have anything close to a parallel and it is a much different, more globally connected, economy than it was then.

I am very very encouraged to hear that Trump supporters are waking up. That is very positive.
 
Typically rates go up when we have inflation because the fed needs to cool the economy to prevent hyper inflation. I am not aware of the Fed dropping rates in an highly inflationary environment. When you drop rates you stimulate demand (as you said), this naturally increases prices. But we appear to be heading for stagflation or some weird recession/inflation environment which makes raising rates very difficult as it makes the recession worse.

I have no idea what the Fed will do because they are faced with a situation without modern precedent. You pretty much have to go back to the 1930’s to even have anything close to a parallel and it is a much different, more globally connected, economy than it was then.

I am very very encouraged to hear that Trump supporters are waking up. That is very positive.
They’ll wake up when they can’t afford to shop at Wal Mart anymore.
 
It is possible........I am hoping that the administration is honest when they say how many countries have reached out wanting to get this taken care of. Remember, the US is not the only one who is going to be hurting during this.
True but the US is the only one causing all of this mess. We have the opportunity to be an island among ourselves if we continue to alienate our long time allies.
 
True but the US is the only one causing all of this mess. We have the opportunity to be an island among ourselves if we continue to alienate our long time allies.
It’s like we looked at the devastating impact of Brexit and said “the only thing wrong with it is that it didn’t go harder. Let’s put it on steroids”

I thought Trump was an dumbass for admiring Brexit but this is unbelievable.
 
Can I ask if you think the status quo was ok in dealing with China?

I am scared of China because if they wanted to pull out of their investments, they would cripple our economy.
China is its own beast. Setting up a scenario and a self inflicted trade war where China can hurt us seems stupid. Part of the sell off in some of the financial instruments yesterday was China selling bonds causing the rates to go up even with all the market uncertainty. Im not sure what the solution on China is. Ultimately China was not my worry then or now, if this was just targeted on China the market doesn't roll over. Your issue is this isn't targeted to just China. He targeted everything and everyone . . . (but Russia and Belarus lol). The other issue is he stated he tried to cover every zip code including those islands with just peguins so someone couldn't cheat, but you still excluded Russia who we currently trade over 3 Billion with.
 
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As I said earlier in this thread....I think we need to give it 60-90 days. I am continuing to buy in the market. It will work out for me. But, I have an older mother and father in law and they are scared to death about this. And, I totally get it.

But, 50% of the US has no investments in the stock market, none. 80% is held by the very rich....whom most people appear to despise. It is going to be a rough go for sure.
The clock started ticking in March. And the world did not quake in fear. We’re already nearing halfway point. 40 days in.
Some auto factory lines are shutting down.
Companies are delaying forecasts
Markets have tanked.
The high prices haven’t hit retail yet.

The good some minor concessions from small countries that depend on us.
 
All that's needed. Yes.

Besides being stupid you have the wit of a dead fish. Carry on - it's fun pulling your strings puppet.
WOW. I knew you had nothing left in the tank, but you keep topping yourself! You are sinking into the worst responses in your bag. And, after tens of thousands of failed, moronic post on multiple handles (45,342 on this one alone!), you would think you would be better at this.

One more time grandpa, log off for a couple of months and try seeing the sun. It would do your warped, idiotic mind some good.

Hey, I tried to give you some advice to go to Tesla burning with a group of your friends, but apparently you either have none or they simply hate you like everyone else does. And, it is clear you have no family, as they would have put you out of your misery a long time ago.

I guess just go back to your circle jerk of one. Oh, and GFY Moron! 😂
 
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You stfu with your 62k posts in 10 years. Get a hobby, get a boyfriend.
The loud ones are usually the weakest one. You prove that every time you post!
Your party is weak, polling at 27%, lied to America for 4 years about health concerns, got your ass kicked by a giant red wave and you’re still talking like a little bitch! Just stfu already! Take your beating like a man, move on, and stop blaming everything on Trump! You are the problem, you are the reason he is in office. If you’re mad, be mad at yourself. You bitch, complain and talk Trump 90% of the time. Seriously, take a walk.
 
Hawk, this guy is a complete idiot, but HILARIOUS to trigger!!

At least for me, it is truly fun to call out his lies and bullshit. Have you not figured out that this grandpa has no life outside of his computer and being constantly logged onto HROT?

Oh, and if you want....PM me and I will let you know what other handle he uses. It is glorious to see him lose his mind. 😂
Tornado, It is clear you like toying with him, but I am just going to ignore him. He is not worth it to me. I gave it my best shot, but he is too far gone at this point.

Have a GREAT night!!!
 
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