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I'd venture to say that we don't "have to" buy at least 90% of what China currently sends here...
The math can work either direction. Using a different country as an intermediary specifically to circumvent tariffs or rare earth sanctions will hide true numbers by both countries.
 
The math can work either direction. Using a different country as an intermediary specifically to circumvent tariffs or rare earth sanctions will hide true numbers by both countries.

And functioning as an intermediary will be one of the first thing to be addressed in upcoming negotiations with the other trading nations,... China won't be able to play that game so easily.
 
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And functioning as an intermediary will be one of the first thing to be addressed in upcoming negotiations with the other trading nations,... China won't be able to play that game so easily.
We are going to encourage it done with rare earths. Putting deals out for press releases are far different than having good deals.
 
We are going to encourage it done with rare earths. Putting deals out for press releases are far different than having good deals.
We’re going to have to start invading some places for raw materials. Guess that’s the Greenland and Canada fascination.
 
We’re going to have to start invading some places for raw materials. Guess that’s the Greenland and Canada fascination.
Mining for them is messy. We used to here, but couldn't be price competitive. Environmentals or concentration of the raw ore both would effect viability. Greenland says they are open for business, but no company has been able to make the numbers work. I presume because of their climate.
 
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Mining for them is messy. We used to here, but couldn't be price competitive. Environmentals or concentration of the raw ore both would effect viability. Greenland says they are open for business, but no company has been able to make the numbers work. I presume because of their climate.
Well if we annex Canada we can take care of any pesky Canadian regulations.
 
Do you think countries like India might step up to replace China for some of that supply chain?
I don't know and that's a hell of a gamble to take.

But let's say India does step up. How long do you think it will take for them to gear up to the point where products start flowing to the US? Where will the economy be at that time? How does that help the American workers?
 
Well, you have proven yourself to be like every other extreme leftist on this board by simply dropping down to name calling. The man goated China into making a stupid move, then early yesterday morning he even gave a hint that he was thrilled by what it caused them to do by posting that it was a GREAT time to buy. Then, he started the negotiations with all the counries who did not retailiate and paused the tariffs.
You defended the Canadian tariff based on an unused clause. You have taken every single MAGAt talking point at face value as if you are incapable of independent thought. And then you get offended when you are called out as an idiot.

You were warned repeatedly for 6 months that Trumps tariffs would cause a recession by midsummer and you were like cool, lets vote for that. Now you're on here all day saying look this is great, it's exactly what we needed.

Business are closing today because of these self inflicted stupid economic policies. You got what you wanted.
 
Hysteria feeds recession. And news outlets play a role in whipping up the frenzy.

In the last week I've heard news outlets report that the tariffs will increase car prices $3,000.

Then $6,000.

Then yesterday $8,000.

This morning an outlet said as much as $10,000.
The news media is so hoping for a recession. And promoting it. Deplorable?
 
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The news media is so hoping for a recession. And promoting it. Deplorable?
The news media alerting the public buying decisions, or investing strategies should be reviewed is just putting a thought consideration many don't make in their day to day existence.
 
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If Trump says a number we pay it as the good enters the country. If China say a number they pay it as the good enters the country. Both are multiplied by volume of trade. So if the tariff is similar then the 5x more volume coming to our country is the difference in total price. We pay 5x more everyday during this battle. It's simple math...we aren't winning fiscally during the short term. It's an assumption their people have more of an issue at that level than our people do.
I don't know why I am not connecting on this here. Both are at the 125% mark right now, so wouldn't China (who sells 300 billion more to us then we do to them), be more significantly affected?
 
The math can work either direction. Using a different country as an intermediary specifically to circumvent tariffs or rare earth sanctions will hide true numbers by both countries.
Trumps identified that trick and just closed the loophole. That is why the trade imbalance is likely even more significant then what is listed because China has been using that trick for years. Now they can't even get THOSE goods around the tariffs.

And remember, we are China's biggest buyer by a mile. They are not even in the top two for the US.

China is going to hurt from this.
 
And functioning as an intermediary will be one of the first thing to be addressed in upcoming negotiations with the other trading nations,... China won't be able to play that game so easily.
They already can't. That loophole has been identified and stopped...well if you believe the administration. :)
 
I’m so sick of the negative fake news!!! There is absolutely NOTHING wrong in this country under Trumps leadership except for the fake outrage they are stirring up in the easily manipulated liberals!!

This is America’s golden age and people can’t even see it staring them in the face. SAD
 
I don't know and that's a hell of a gamble to take.

But let's say India does step up. How long do you think it will take for them to gear up to the point where products start flowing to the US? Where will the economy be at that time? How does that help the American workers?
That is a great question. we already buy some of the same stuff from India that we get from China, such as medical appliances, cheap jewelry, ag products, textiles, apparel, auto parts, electronics, machinery and chemicals. We also import petroleum.

I believe the could supply some of the stuff we cureently get from China to soften the blow while we ramp up our abilities to produce more here and hire workers.
 
I’m so sick of the negative fake news!!! There is absolutely NOTHING wrong in this country under Trumps leadership except for the fake outrage they are stirring up in the easily manipulated liberals!!

This is America’s golden age and people can’t even see it staring them in the face. SAD
I love the positive attitude! And, for the most part, feel the same way. But, we do need to be realistic as this is not set in stone and that it might backfire...biggly. But, we are the strongest economy in the world. 👍
 
I love the positive attitude! And, for the most part, feel the same way. But, we do need to be realistic as this is not set in stone and that it might backfire...biggly. But, we are the strongest economy in the world. 👍
i don’t think there is a lot of room for being partially in. It’s sort of like the Hokey Pokey, you’re either all in with President Donald Trump or you’re not….ya can’t put your MAGA support in and then pull it back out.
 
You defended the Canadian tariff based on an unused clause. You have taken every single MAGAt talking point at face value as if you are incapable of independent thought. And then you get offended when you are called out as an idiot. Say what? All I said was that I had no problem with Trump calling out Canada for their trade practices against us. There is nothing wrong with that. And, I was called an idiot for having a difference of opinion. I don't do that to anyone and would hope to get the same. I get that some people don't have the same view as I do, and that is ok. But, it seems like the only people who go completely off the rails on a daily basis are the Dems.

You were warned repeatedly for 6 months that Trumps tariffs would cause a recession by midsummer and you were like cool, lets vote for that. Now you're on here all day saying look this is great, it's exactly what we needed.
And, I am glad you agree with me on one very important thing. I have said repeatedly that Trump has ALWAYS said this was his plan. He was saying this 30 years ago for pete sakes. He said it during his entire campaign. Now, the Dems are acting like this came out of the blue. I knew he was going to do this and that is one of many reason I (and the majority of those who cast a vote) voted for him. I am hoping this has the desired affect. But, as I have said MANY times, he now has a short time to make this happen or the Dems will blow them out in the midterms. And, I am not on here all day. LOL!
Business are closing today because of these self inflicted stupid economic policies. You got what you wanted. I have heard of a few businesses who have dealings with Canada closing. And, I hate that. But, where is the outrage over the loss of 3.7 million US jobs because of China?
 
i don’t think there is a lot of room for being partially in. It’s sort of like the Hokey Pokey, you’re either all in with President Donald Trump or you’re not….ya can’t put your MAGA support in and then pull it back out.
I disagree friend. I want to make America great again for sure. I gladly voted for Trump. I want this to work. I believe in him. But, this may not work. And, if it doesn't the Dems will crush the Rep in the Mid term. It is that simple.
 
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Trumps identified that trick and just closed the loophole. That is why the trade imbalance is likely even more significant then what is listed because China has been using that trick for years. Now they can't even get THOSE goods around the tariffs.

And remember, we are China's biggest buyer by a mile. They are not even in the top two for the US.

China is going to hurt from this.
We want the rare earth's and they are refusing them to us. I suspect you just read my comment fast. Someone in our government will figure out how to get rare earth's via China through some 3rd party country.
 
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That is a great question. we already buy some of the same stuff from India that we get from China, such as medical appliances, cheap jewelry, ag products, textiles, apparel, auto parts, electronics, machinery and chemicals. We also import petroleum.

I believe the could supply some of the stuff we cureently get from China to soften the blow while we ramp up our abilities to produce more here and hire workers.
Again, tell me what has changed in US manufacturing that would suddenly make it profitable. You have failed to answer that even though it's been asked several times.
 
I don't know why I am not connecting on this here. Both are at the 125% mark right now, so wouldn't China (who sells 300 billion more to us then we do to them), be more significantly affected?
Because we pay the tariffs ourselves on what they send us as the importer. That's the bigger number. Trump is trying to throttle imports by taxing the heck out of the good at the port of entry.

China will tariff us so our goods are more expensive than another country's to their importers.

Both moves are meant to make alternative countries more attractive.
 
We want the rare earth's and they are refusing them to us. I suspect you just read my comment fast. Someone in our government will figure out how to get rare earth's via China through some 3rd party country.
Thanks Scruffy. I sure did read that wrong. Sorry brother and I agree. :)
 
Again, tell me what has changed in US manufacturing that would suddenly make it profitable. You have failed to answer that even though it's been asked several times.
Well, for starters, it would be of great help if we could get other countries to allow us to sell our goods fairly in their markets......you know, like cars. Tell me why we should not be striving for that instead of the status quo. That has been asked several times and have yet to see an answer.
 
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Because we pay the tariffs ourselves on what they send us as the importer. That's the bigger number. Trump is trying to throttle imports by taxing the heck out of the good at the port of entry.

China will tariff us so our goods are more expensive than another country's to their importers.

Both moves are meant to make alternative countries more attractive.
Got it.....Thanks
 
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Well, for starters, it would be of great help if we could get other countries to allow us to sell our goods fairly in their markets......you know, like cars. Tell me why we should not be striving for that instead of the status quo. That has been asked several times and have yet to see an answer.
How are American automobiles not being sold fairly overseas?

Again, what has changed in US manufacturing that would suddenly make it profitable to produce the products here?
 
How are American automobiles not being sold fairly overseas?

Again, what has changed in US manufacturing that would suddenly make it profitable to produce the products here?
The biggest thing is that they have always put a higher tariff on American cars in foreign markets, making them less competitive with locally produced vehicles.

It depends on the market we are going for. We cannot compete with China makers as they pay their workers slave wages. But, for those markets in which the wages are comparable.....US automakers might have a chance to gain some market share.
 
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The biggest thing is that they have always put a higher tariff on American cars in foreign markets, making them less competitive with locally produced vehicles.

It depends on the market we are going for. We cannot compete with China makers as they pay their workers slave wages. But, for those markets in which the wages are comparable.....US automakers might have a chance to gain some market share.
Why won't you answer the direct question. Fred Astaire couldn't dance around it any better.
 
Why won't you answer the direct question. Fred Astaire couldn't dance around it any better.
Goodness, I have answered the question. Our automakers and our workers can be just as competative in foreign markets (that are similar to ours) as those companies who build elsewhere, but sell here.

Do a quick search on those brands which are NOT made in the US, and not made in China, but are still sold here. This is not rocket science. I feel like you are purposly trying to ignore the obvious.
 
Goodness, I have answered the question. Our automakers and our workers can be just as competative in foreign markets (that are similar to ours) as those companies who build elsewhere, but sell here.

Do a quick search on those brands which are NOT made in the US, and not made in China, but are still sold here. This is not rocket science. I feel like you are purposly trying to ignore the obvious.
The question that has been asked but not answered multiple times is

What has changed in the US to suddenly make it profitable to manufacture here?
 
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Goodness, I have answered the question. Our automakers and our workers can be just as competative in foreign markets (that are similar to ours) as those companies who build elsewhere, but sell here.

Do a quick search on those brands which are NOT made in the US, and not made in China, but are still sold here. This is not rocket science. I feel like you are purposly trying to ignore the obvious.
There is little demand for US branded autos in other countries because they are generally large, expensive, inferior in their standards and considered to be of lesser quality. Has nothing to do with tariffs.
 
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The question that has been asked but not answered multiple times is

What has changed in the US to suddenly make it profitable to manufacture here?
Let me make it simpler for you.
Has the cost of land acquisition gone down?
Have the costs of permitting and design gone down?
Has the cost of construction gone down?
Has the costs of equipping the plant gone down?
Has the cost of labor gone down?
Have the burden and benefits of that labor gone down?

Well?
 
Let me make it simpler for you.
Has the cost of land acquisition gone down?
Have the costs of permitting and design gone down?
Has the cost of construction gone down?
Has the costs of equipping the plant gone down?
Has the cost of labor gone down?
Have the burden and benefits of that labor gone down?

Well?
Do the Big Auto executives have any interest in manufacturing cars in the US?
Would the execs take a massive pay cut or find other ways to offset the loss in profits?
 
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The question that has been asked but not answered multiple times is

What has changed in the US to suddenly make it profitable to manufacture here?
Nothing needs to change. What makes you think the way we manufacture here in the US would make it impossible to sell our cars in many other markets?
 
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There is little demand for US branded autos in other countries because they are generally large, expensive, inferior in their standards and considered to be of lesser quality. Has nothing to do with tariffs.
Then why have tariffs at all on our cars?
 
Let me make it simpler for you.
Has the cost of land acquisition gone down?
Have the costs of permitting and design gone down?
Has the cost of construction gone down?
Has the costs of equipping the plant gone down?
Your questions above make the assumption that we cannot quickly scale up production to meet overseas demand. As of the end of 2024, capacity utilization of all us auto plants in production was around 65%, meaning many plants are running way below full tilt.

Has the cost of labor gone down?
Have the burden and benefits of that labor gone down?

I already addressed the labor question by pointing out we could still sell our vehicles in markets where workers get paid similarly. Not China of course.

Tell me this, (and I have asked this before at other times), if it is so impossible for US automakers to even think about selling our cars in other world markets, then why in the world do these other countries even have any tariffs at all on our autos? That is just a shot at us for apparently no reason at all.

Well?
 
Your questions above make the assumption that we cannot quickly scale up production to meet overseas demand. As of the end of 2024, capacity utilization of all us auto plants in production was around 65%, meaning many plants are running way below full tilt.

Has the cost of labor gone down?
Have the burden and benefits of that labor gone down?

I already addressed the labor question by pointing out we could still sell our vehicles in markets where workers get paid similarly. Not China of course.

Tell me this, (and I have asked this before at other times), if it is so impossible for US automakers to even think about selling our cars in other world markets, then why in the world do these other countries even have any tariffs at all on our autos? That is just a shot at us for apparently no reason at all.

Well?
Why does the US have tariffs on countries it does little to no business with? If these are profitable markets why haven't the US auto makers invested more in foreign manufacturing plants to avoid tariffs?

Your question highlights your lack of knowledge beyond a few seach headlines.

Do you think there would be investment costs for auto manufacturers to significantly increase demand? What factors do you think go into a decision like that? Do you see any risks? Any obstacles?
 
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