Win this game and they'll build a flippin statue of you, you'll go down as the greatest Hawkeye coach ever.
Ferentz - This is your shot
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Win the Rose Bowl and go 13-1? I'll freeze his ass in Carbonite.
I thought I was going to hate this thread.... But it is a sensible question.
I think when you factor in the longevity in this era of CFB and the facility improvements that have taken place under KF's watch it's tough to match his resume. although I grew up with KFs Hawks so I'm not the person to ask
I think when you factor in the longevity in this era of CFB and the facility improvements that have taken place under KF's watch it's tough to match his resume. although I grew up with KFs Hawks so I'm not the person to ask
Win the Rose and what we should be able to do next year. Ferentz will be #1
Rose is not that big of a game anymore. Ridiculous thread. Typical of the moral victory mentality of the Iowa fanbase. Stanford will be a 3 loss team if we beat them. Not exactly the '85 Bears (or even Michigan).
For the record, the greatest coaches in Iowa history (in order):
Howard Jones
Evy
Hayden
Kirk
KF doesn't move out of 4th place without a few more conference titles or a natty.
For the record, the greatest coaches in Iowa history (in order):
Howard Jones
Evy
Hayden
Kirk
KF doesn't move out of 4th place without a few more conference titles or a natty.
It's not for the record, it's your opinion and I don't agree with it at all.
This is a whole new era of football and what Kirk has done has been very admirable.
He's a moron troll. 14 messages and waits until Iowa gets their 1st loss to post. Dime a dozen right now.
KF or the OP?
Why would beating a 2 loss Stanford team be such a monumental victory?
You're a douchebag. Accept it and either change your life or continue on the path of being a douchebag.
Just admit it to the world, you're a complete douche.
My life is infinitely superior to yours (BTW, you look like a COMPLETE jackwagon in your profile pic. Just this side of retarded).
Are you going to answer my question or not?
Says the homo with a bad Grinder profile pic as his avatar.
I don't swing that way, but I'd he happy to pass your picture along to any gay special needs adults in the area.
For me it's between Hayden Fry and Kirk Ferentz.
Howard Jones name was made at USC,football was a completely different game when he was at Iowa then it is now and the 8 years is way less then KF and HF.
Forest Evesheski had a great 5 year run. But also put Iowa back at least a decade with his time as AD. Also the 9 years as coach is small compared to HF and KF.
I think KF is already ahead of HF. There is a lot of revisionist history with Hayden. He had great seasons, mediocre, and bad seasons. Ferentz has done the same. Ferentz has had 4 teams finish in the top 10 compared to Hayden's one. KF has brought it back 3 times. You can maybe argue Hayden did it twice. Where Hayden holds the advantage is how far the program was down when he got here. But Hayden didn't exactly leave the program in great shape either. So the difference as not gigantic as some believe.
I know this is blasphemy to many of you but the memories are often better then the reality. HF being much more charasmatic also makes remember the good and forget the mediocre to bad.
Howard Jones name was made at USC,football was a completely different game when he was at Iowa then it is now and the 8 years is way less then KF and HF.
Forest Evesheski had a great 5 year run. But also put Iowa back at least a decade with his time as AD. Also the 9 years as coach is small compared to HF and KF.
I think KF is already ahead of HF. There is a lot of revisionist history with Hayden. He had great seasons, mediocre, and bad seasons. Ferentz has done the same. Ferentz has had 4 teams finish in the top 10 compared to Hayden's one. KF has brought it back 3 times. You can maybe argue Hayden did it twice. Where Hayden holds the advantage is how far the program was down when he got here. But Hayden didn't exactly leave the program in great shape either. So the difference as not gigantic as some believe.
I know this is blasphemy to many of you but the memories are often better then the reality. HF being much more charasmatic also makes remember the good and forget the mediocre to bad.
Evy won 2 Rose Bowls, Hayden 0, Kirk has an Orange Bowl and may add a Rose Bowl to his resume. This year really puts Kirk back in near the top if not at the top in my view. It is much, much harder to succeed now than it was 60 years ago and certainly 95 years ago. It's a different animal now and both Hayden and Kirk have been near the top of the game.
Kirks four best finishes are better than Haydens best. Kirk already has 1 major bowl win and has twice gone undefeated in conference play which Hayden never did.
This is the way it will be going. The Rose Bowl is still a huge draw for those of us that grew up in the pre-BCS era. No one will be saddened by a Rose Bowl bid. But as the Rose host fewer and fewer B1G/Pac12 matchups, it will lose some luster.
Howard Jones was awesome! Why I remember those wins over Cornell, Coe, Grinnell, Knox, Lawrence, Camp Dodge and Great Lakes Navel Base like they were yesterday.
Hayden Fry's Rose Bowl teams:
'81 - 8-3
'85 - 10-1
'91 - 8-3
Under current structure, only the '85 team would have been a potential Final Four CFP contender (Iowa was #4 and Michigan was #5 and Iowa beat Michigan that year head-to-head). Therefore, any contention that the current playoffs are what the Rose Bowl "used to be" is quite misguided. Iowa in '81 and '91 would be exactly where Stanford sits today. Rose Bowl eligible as the conference champ but not in the Final Four playoffs.
Honorable Mention: Fry's '90 team went 10-1 but ended up in Holiday Bowl.
Notable? Fry's teams went 0-3-1 in those bowl games.
Ferentz's "BCS/CFP" bowl teams:
'01 - 10-1
'09 - 10-2
'15 - 12-1
Honorable Mention: Ferentz's '03 team went 9-2 and ended up in Capital One Bowl.
Notable? Ferentz's teams are 2-1 in those bowl games thus far.
'81 - 8-3
'85 - 10-1
'91 - 8-3
Under current structure, only the '85 team would have been a potential Final Four CFP contender (Iowa was #4 and Michigan was #5 and Iowa beat Michigan that year head-to-head). Therefore, any contention that the current playoffs are what the Rose Bowl "used to be" is quite misguided. Iowa in '81 and '91 would be exactly where Stanford sits today. Rose Bowl eligible as the conference champ but not in the Final Four playoffs.
Honorable Mention: Fry's '90 team went 10-1 but ended up in Holiday Bowl.
Notable? Fry's teams went 0-3-1 in those bowl games.
Ferentz's "BCS/CFP" bowl teams:
'01 - 10-1
'09 - 10-2
'15 - 12-1
Honorable Mention: Ferentz's '03 team went 9-2 and ended up in Capital One Bowl.
Notable? Ferentz's teams are 2-1 in those bowl games thus far.
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Hayden's highest finish was at #10 in 1985. Kirk has gotten Iowa ranked higher than that 4 times and about to be a 5th. Hayden's greatest accomplishment was hiring amazing people; when they left so did the success. I'd take KF over HF
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Iowa was a 4 loss team after it lost in the Rose Bowl to Washington after the '81 season and to UCLA after the '91 season. Using your logic, the Rose Bowl was not that big of a game in both seasons and Fry shouldn't be lauded for taking a regular season 3 loss team to the Rose Bowl in either year.
Fry finished in the top 25 50% of the time, I think an average of like 17th.
KF has finished in the top 25 only 30% of the time, but his average finish in top 10.
KF has finished in the top 25 only 30% of the time, but his average finish in top 10.
It is not, and you know it is not. Accept your defeat, accept your truth. You will find grace, and possibly some skittles.
I'd say a game that pays $18 million to each participant is a pretty big and prestigious game. It has lost some luster due to the Playoffs though.
Barely. If at all. Look at the "big" bowl games from 1981-82 season when Fry took an 8-3 Iowa team to the Rose Bowl.
The Iowa/Washington match-up featured #12 Washington v. #13 Iowa.
#1 Clemson beat #4 Nebraska in the Orange Bowl.
#7 Penn State beat #8 USC in the Fiesta Bowl.
#6 Texas beat #3 Alabama in Cotton Bowl.
#10 Pitt beat #2 Georgia in Sugar Bowl.
(Edit - these are now pre-bowl rankings)
IMO, there is no way that #5 Iowa playing #6 Stanford this year is any less prestigious than the 1982 Rose Bowl game. In fact, I could argue that the #5/#6 matchup this year is the 4th best match-up after the 2 playoff games and the championship game (if you go by rankings alone). The 1982 Rose Bowl game was likely the 5th best match-up after the Orange, Sugar, Cotton and Fiesta.
So . . . any effort to argue that Fry's '82 Rose Bowl or even Fry's '91 Rose Bowl (#8 Washington v. #17 Iowa) were "more prestigious" than the 2016 Rose Bowl is, IMO, well off the mark. In fact, a #12 v. #13 (as was Washington v. Iowa in the 1982 Rose Bowl) is the equivalent of this year's Citrus (#14 Michigan v. #19 Florida) or Alamo Bowl (#11 TCU v. #15 Oregon).
Yeah . . . Iowa isn't playing for a potential national championship in this year's Rose Bowl but it wasn't playing for the national championship in either '82 or '91.
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