Yes, and I certainly respect that.
I'll be interested in seeing how Garza's stat line corresponds to that "lockdown" defense!
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Yes, and I certainly respect that.
I'll be interested in seeing how Garza's stat line corresponds to that "lockdown" defense!
Stat comparisons:
4/5s
Garza: 41p/10rb/2-2 from 3
Nunge: 35p/13rb/2-6 from 3
Kriener: 38p/7rb/5-10 from 3
Skinniest one gets the most boards?
SGs
Moss: 32p/5rb/7-13 from 3
Ellingson: 25p/8rb/5-13 from 3
Dailey: 23p/1rb/5-6 from 3
Surprised with Dailey's 3pt accuracy
4/5s
Garza: 41p/10rb/2-2 from 3
Nunge: 35p/13rb/2-6 from 3
Kriener: 38p/7rb/5-10 from 3
Skinniest one gets the most boards?
SGs
Moss: 32p/5rb/7-13 from 3
Ellingson: 25p/8rb/5-13 from 3
Dailey: 23p/1rb/5-6 from 3
Surprised with Dailey's 3pt accuracy
Some things.
Bohannon hit a few floaters in his game. It's an important shot for little guards to make that can't take on the trees directly. He'll have a more complete offensive game if he can hit it consistently.
The first 3 Kriener took and made was from 25-30 feet out and he let everyone in the gym know it. Love to see that confidence from a kid.
Wagner had the most trouble finishing of all the bigs. We know his role, and he'll certainly contribute through other means.
Williams did little which honestly isn't a knock against him. He didn't see the ball much. Things mostly went through Ahmad.
Brady didn't have the best of shooting days, but played confident and hit the biggest shot of the game.
It felt like Dailey scored every time he drove or took a shot although his shot volume was low. I like him a lot. Can't stay a string bean forever though.
Garza and Nunge both showcased their touch around the hoop and shooting ability. I think Luka was a little more consistent working in the post, but I'm splitting hairs in a pickup game. It'll be defense that determines their playing time.
Bohannon hit a few floaters in his game. It's an important shot for little guards to make that can't take on the trees directly. He'll have a more complete offensive game if he can hit it consistently.
The first 3 Kriener took and made was from 25-30 feet out and he let everyone in the gym know it. Love to see that confidence from a kid.
Wagner had the most trouble finishing of all the bigs. We know his role, and he'll certainly contribute through other means.
Williams did little which honestly isn't a knock against him. He didn't see the ball much. Things mostly went through Ahmad.
Brady didn't have the best of shooting days, but played confident and hit the biggest shot of the game.
It felt like Dailey scored every time he drove or took a shot although his shot volume was low. I like him a lot. Can't stay a string bean forever though.
Garza and Nunge both showcased their touch around the hoop and shooting ability. I think Luka was a little more consistent working in the post, but I'm splitting hairs in a pickup game. It'll be defense that determines their playing time.
I feel like we're in Frankenstein's laboratory with all these parts laying around.
Moss and Bohannon go 15 of 28 from three? Williams, Dailey and Ellingson seem to have had quiet games.
Is what we're looking for is player #2 at point and wing guard?
Baer we know what he can do. Who is the next wing forward? Wow, tons of choices but on the big side.
Bigs, doesn't look to be a serious problem anywhere. Cook playing where he should at power forward. Plenty of post guys.
Best thing just from reading the reports, to me, is neither Garza or Nunge showed up looking nervous. In fact, with Kriener in the mix it seems like the strength of the team is going to be inside and at point? I don't know, who knows...but I'm not underwhelmed with the potential this year, I'll say that.
Moss and Bohannon go 15 of 28 from three? Williams, Dailey and Ellingson seem to have had quiet games.
Is what we're looking for is player #2 at point and wing guard?
Baer we know what he can do. Who is the next wing forward? Wow, tons of choices but on the big side.
Bigs, doesn't look to be a serious problem anywhere. Cook playing where he should at power forward. Plenty of post guys.
Best thing just from reading the reports, to me, is neither Garza or Nunge showed up looking nervous. In fact, with Kriener in the mix it seems like the strength of the team is going to be inside and at point? I don't know, who knows...but I'm not underwhelmed with the potential this year, I'll say that.
I'm awfully thirsty with all these grains of salt I've been taking.
Dailey and Moss at SG are critical...need a true shooter/ slasher combo there who can defend and run to set up our other pieces. Lots of PF and C types so no concerns about people stepping up there. Backup PG up to Williams if Connor redshirts so thats big too.
I still think Dailey has a chance be a (not the) back up answer at both guard spots.
The good news is nobody is saying Nunge and Garza aren't ready and should definitely red shirt in these reports.
How would those of you who were there compare the freshman to Wagner/ Cook/ Uhl? Do they stand a chance to earn any of those minutes?
How would those of you who were there compare the freshman to Wagner/ Cook/ Uhl? Do they stand a chance to earn any of those minutes?
Yes! How are you going to shut him down if he can consistently dribble drive and float one also?
In the post-game interview he said that he can play positions 2-5 and the coaches like his mobility on the perimeter. Said he works on his ball handling every day. It will be interesting to see where and how McCaffery uses him.
I'm curious if Nunge meant play the 2-5 offensively, or if he feels he can get to the point of adequately guarding most perimeter players?
Would be amazing to have that length holding his own defensively on guards.
Would be amazing to have that length holding his own defensively on guards.
How about Garza taking 24 shots? Second most only to Moss. I love the self-confidence for a freshman. Cook, Bohannon, and Moss also have it...
I would like to see Dailey stay aggressive, but really start to show some assists. That is the #1 thing for me. Who is going to bring the skills to play PG. And show some good D.... Dailey is the one who did not get the PT last year. He is the youngest in the backcourt, so let's hope he can really develop in year 2. He has the skills, would love to see him bring it!
They are different players. Garza is bigger than the other Iowa post players, and is very comfortable at or near the basket. Cook has the explosiveness that none of the other big guys do. Uhl is most alike Nunge, but Nunge has more basketball instincts from having played basketball much longer. Wagner is a great athlete, but shorter and isn't ever going to be a big scorer for a good Big 10 team. That's okay, every team needs a guy who will hustle and play defense.
To answer your question, yes Nunge and Garza are certainly capable of getting minutes. How much? Really hard to say. It could depend on individual matchups from game to game.
I watched Nunge's last high school game a couple months ago. He struggled to stay in front of a low D1 small forward prospect. The guy could consistently get around Nunge and collapse the defense. I'd assume that hasn't changed much yet. With time, I think he'll be capable guarding a wing player, just not yet.
Anyone who couldn't see that Ryan Kreiner was going to work to improve, from his play, as a Frosh, last year, well maybe field hockey analysis is.......
GO HAWKS
Isn't this about what the 'hoops gurus' were saying about Jordan Bohannon, before he arrived at IOWA and LIT THINGS UP ??
lol GO HAWKS
Put him at the 2, with Baer 3, Cook 4, Garza 5 and run a 1-3-1 zone with JoBo at the point, Cook in the middle, Nunge and Baer wings and Garza down low...problem solved.
Thanks for the observation. That's generally what I expected. I imagine if there was an offensively skilled 6'9''+ player who could defend perimeter players immediately out of high school, there would have been more Duke, UNC, KU, UK type offers that we would have been competing with. I like the attitude though - expecting that you'll get there is better than not and will help him while he continues to develop.
Put him at the 2, with Baer 3, Cook 4, Garza 5 and run a 1-3-1 zone with JoBo at the point, Cook in the middle, Nunge and Baer wings and Garza down low...problem solved.
I think people forget that a couple seasons ago when hurting for a choice at guard McCaffery would slip redshirt freshman Nicholas Baer down to the two spot and we'd play zone. It was a solution for a few minutes a game. I think I'd still rather do the same with Nicholas that to put that on a true freshman.
Better still, Moss should be an excellent wing guard. And Ellingson and Dailey should make themselves valuable backups.
All around the team, it looks like zone is the answer for several tough spots. Fine than. I say run an aggressive Syracuse Zone in favor of trying to make freshmen and sophomores be defensive stoppers. All the value comes in being able to use players that we couldn't use if we played man to man.
Our overall defense is going to improve with having bigs again. And so will our rebounding. Our offense should be/could be much better than last year, and it wasn't bad, if we play to our strengths.
People forget that Kreiner was both injured and sick and missed a bunch of work in the pre season last year. I expect big things from him, and Luka. When was the last time,(if ever), that Iowa had 2 guys who had skill both down low, and could shoot the three ball well, and were excellent passers??????????
I also think in a pinch Fran could get some minutes from Brady at the point. Hopefully Dailey steps up big time though and he can spell both JBO and Moss.
I my lifetime, starting to understand basketball about the same time Lute was hired, I can't think of a pair of bigs that had this much potential (Kriener and Garza) on any team. We had Stokes and Payne...loved 'em...but. We had the twin towers, nice name, but. Then you toss in a power forward duo like Cook and Pemsl!!?
I think the only comparison is the versatility of Dr. Tom's first group. And then we're looking at some upper classmen who had been around like Wright and Lohaus.
It's easy to see why every other big should be making a case to play the three, just to get some playing time.
After having a night to process, I am very excited about this team. They are really going to be fun to watch. I can't remember a recent Iowa team that has had this kind of depth and young talent in the front court. I think this a better offensive team than last year. Those two new big guys can really score, Kriener looked fantastic, and Bohannon looked like he could score pretty much whenever he felt like it.
I think this team will go as far as their collective team defense will take them. I still see this as a major issue, and Coach may need to look at a variety of schemes to get a successful product. I think they will continue to struggle with teams with quick guards and wings. Also, Bohannon is a must to stay healthy. It is quite a drop off at the point, no matter who goes in to replace him.
I think this team will go as far as their collective team defense will take them. I still see this as a major issue, and Coach may need to look at a variety of schemes to get a successful product. I think they will continue to struggle with teams with quick guards and wings. Also, Bohannon is a must to stay healthy. It is quite a drop off at the point, no matter who goes in to replace him.
I think the shooting ability of our bigs allows for some interesting ideas. Nunge could play the 3 in our offense but the 4 on defense. We could try having Ahmad play the 3 on defense and 4/5 on offense. I remember when we put Ahmad on Tony Carr, he did a pretty good job and I'm confident that he would guard 3's well. We'd have at least 3 shooters out there, maybe 4 if Tyler's shot develops well or we sub in another shooter.
Just throwing an idea out there. It's going to take a while before all the rotation questions are answered.
Just throwing an idea out there. It's going to take a while before all the rotation questions are answered.
I'd agree Dan, and you bring up an excellent point. Not only having Kreiner and Garza in the post, but two true power forwards with excellent potencial in Cook, and Pemsyl, AND a "Jack" of all trades in Nunge! Very Interesting indeed!
With all of these big guys, no shot in the paint should go uncontested. No easy points this year.
I'm more concerned about post D. That's the thing the team has the biggest opportunity to improve and must do so.
Isn't this about what the 'hoops gurus' were saying about Jordan Bohannon, before he arrived at IOWA and LIT THINGS UP ??
lol GO HAWKS
Most were not questioning Bohannon's ability on offense. I think he surpassed the most optimistic of projections in terms of what he did scoring and protecting the ball. What the poster questioned was Nunge's ability to guard good perimeter players. That was Bohannon's (and the entire team's) issue last year. Hawks have a bunch of skilled players. Scoring likely won't be a big issue this year. If Iowa can just be average (not great) on defense Hawks will make a big jump.
What did Flemming do in the PTL a few years back? It is a nice thing to see, but hold judgement until the season starts.
I am like everyone else, I want to see how this team defends. I know they can score and I know there will be more options this year for leading scorer, but defense has to improve. This team has to get better at team defense in order to take a step up. The Big Ten is going to be LOADED this year and our defense has to get better.
I am like everyone else, I want to see how this team defends. I know they can score and I know there will be more options this year for leading scorer, but defense has to improve. This team has to get better at team defense in order to take a step up. The Big Ten is going to be LOADED this year and our defense has to get better.
Greg Stokes made huge improvements between his freshmen & sophomore seasons. He was less decorated as Michael Payne was but definitely had an awesome career!
Less decorated coming out of HS but he played in the league and Payne never had a chance at that level.
Stokes played in the league two years and overseas for a nice stretch. None of those kids are anywhere close to the league, anywhere. Nice potential, but...
No! They are sophomores and freshmen and heck, even Stokes didn't show his skills until he actually played as a soph. I think you are selling their potential short. Besides, I don't care about who plays in the league, I care about what they do in a Hawkeye uniform.
My comment was when has Iowa ever had two true post players who could score down low, and step out and shoot from 15 to 25 feet with a solid %. Payne and Stokes could shoot a decent mid range jumper, but I don't think either had that kind of range, to open the lane up for the likes of Cook and Pemsyl.
Wow, that sounds scary good!Put him at the 2, with Baer 3, Cook 4, Garza 5 and run a 1-3-1 zone with JoBo at the point, Cook in the middle, Nunge and Baer wings and Garza down low...problem solved.
Put him at the 2, with Baer 3, Cook 4, Garza 5 and run a 1-3-1 zone with JoBo at the point, Cook in the middle, Nunge and Baer wings and Garza down low...problem solved.
BTW, I'm not talking 20 minutes of this per game. Like everything else with Fran, 5-6 min spread across both halves would be fine.
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