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Plenty of threads here about the Iowa coaches. I thought Fleck earned a thread as well.

He has plenty to answer for IMO. Not going for it on a couple of 4th downs when Iowa could not seem to keep them from getting at least 4 yards on every run? In the 2nd half, going away, comparatively, from the running attack that chewed up the Hawks in the first half?

Minny had Iowa figured out and then seemed to let them off the hook IMO. They have an OL for the ages, literally, and decided to hand the ball to Morgan, who has been iffy this year.

I don't get it.

(BTW - brilliant 4th down pass call. Too bad they didn't have another couple of yards to go for a TD or the Hawks get the ball back.)
 
Plenty of threads here about the Iowa coaches. I thought Fleck earned a thread as well.

He has plenty to answer for IMO. Not going for it on a couple of 4th downs when Iowa could not seem to keep them from getting at least 4 yards on every run? In the 2nd half, going away, comparatively, from the running attack that chewed up the Hawks in the first half?

Minny had Iowa figured out and then seemed to let them off the hook IMO. They have an OL for the ages, literally, and decided to hand the ball to Morgan, who has been iffy this year.

I don't get it.

(BTW - brilliant 4th down pass call. Too bad they didn't have another couple of yards to go for a TD or the Hawks get the ball back.)
We shut them down inside the red zone all game. Bend don't break...nothing new. They had zero rushing TD but Iowa d gets zero credit for that according to some.
 
Plenty of threads here about the Iowa coaches. I thought Fleck earned a thread as well.

He has plenty to answer for IMO. Not going for it on a couple of 4th downs when Iowa could not seem to keep them from getting at least 4 yards on every run? In the 2nd half, going away, comparatively, from the running attack that chewed up the Hawks in the first half?

Minny had Iowa figured out and then seemed to let them off the hook IMO. They have an OL for the ages, literally, and decided to hand the ball to Morgan, who has been iffy this year.

I don't get it.

(BTW - brilliant 4th down pass call. Too bad they didn't have another couple of yards to go for a TD or the Hawks get the ball back.)
Completely agree. I was very relieved he chose the FGs on those 4th and short.
 
Plenty of threads here about the Iowa coaches. I thought Fleck earned a thread as well.

He has plenty to answer for IMO. Not going for it on a couple of 4th downs when Iowa could not seem to keep them from getting at least 4 yards on every run? In the 2nd half, going away, comparatively, from the running attack that chewed up the Hawks in the first half?

Minny had Iowa figured out and then seemed to let them off the hook IMO. They have an OL for the ages, literally, and decided to hand the ball to Morgan, who has been iffy this year.

I don't get it.

(BTW - brilliant 4th down pass call. Too bad they didn't have another couple of yards to go for a TD or the Hawks get the ball back.)

Totally agree here. Probably the best and most experienced o line in the league, and a huge size advantage. Very very surprised he didn’t go for it on a couple of those 4th downs. I think they stated he basically never does, which the way the game is changing and analytics arguing for it in many cases, definitely looks bad for the boat rower.
 
Totally agree here. Probably the best and most experienced o line in the league, and a huge size advantage. Very very surprised he didn’t go for it on a couple of those 4th downs. I think they stated he basically never does, which the way the game is changing and analytics arguing for it in many cases, definitely looks bad for the boat rower.
I think they said Minny was #4 in rushing behind the 3 service academies
 
I can't remember which games, but I seem to recall Fleck has been Mr. Conservative in the past against us. Iowa has been the recipient of fortuitous turnovers and penalties this season, but that was not the case in this game. (see also Wisconsin/Purdue games) So a tip of the hat to Fleck and his team for playing a solid game in that respect. It definitely came down to a 'showdown' of 2 teams that were afraid to play for the Win. Having said that, I enjoyed watching this game 100 Xs more than the Iowa/Northwestern game... ;)
 
Smartest guy in the room is Fleck's agent.....got the extension before going into the Iowa and Wisconsins games...games he does not win and the locals are sick of that. Not continuing to shoving it down our throat and kicking FGs is heating up their fans. Really not much of an excuse not to go for it that way they were ripping off 4 and 5 yards every time they ran.
 
Illinois held Minny to modest rushing yards and SIX points in Minneapolis last week in a 14-6 win. So how do you explain that given the alleged talent and vast experience of this Minny O-line? How do 30- 40- and 50- game starters improve so much in ONE WEEK?

BTW: That 380-pounder is ridiculous. College wrestling, long ago, put a weight limit on heavy weights. It's way past time for college football--in the age of player safety--to set a weight limit for football players. No one over 300 pounds should be allowed to play, although there would be no limit on coaches. Otherwise, the brilliant Brett Bielema might have to hang 'em up, and we wouldn't want that.

C'mon. Is it safe to have a kid out there who is at least 100 pounds heavier than almost every other player? If you're too short, you can't play college basketball, and there's nothing you can do about your height. So setting a weight limit, which can be controlled--at least to some degree--should be a no-brainer.
 
Smartest guy in the room is Fleck's agent.....got the extension before going into the Iowa and Wisconsins games...games he does not win and the locals are sick of that. Not continuing to shoving it down our throat and kicking FGs is heating up their fans. Really not much of an excuse not to go for it that way they were ripping off 4 and 5 yards every time they ran.
Agree.

But, Fleck is the best coach Minny has had since ....? Fleck is 31-21. Kill was 29-29. Mason 64-57. You have to go back to the 30's and 40's to find a coach that has a better record.
 
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Illinois held Minny to modest rushing yards and SIX points in Minneapolis last week in a 14-6 win. So how do you explain that given the alleged talent and vast experience of this Minny O-line? How do 30- 40- and 50- game starters improve so much in ONE WEEK?

BTW: That 380-pounder is ridiculous. College wrestling, long ago, put a weight limit on heavy weights. It's way past time for college football--in the age of player safety--to set a weight limit for football players. No one over 300 pounds should be allowed to play, although there would be no limit on coaches. Otherwise, the brilliant Brett Bielema might have to hang 'em up, and we wouldn't want that.

C'mon. Is it safe to have a kid out there who is at least 100 pounds heavier than almost every other player? If you're too short, you can't play college basketball, and there's nothing you can do about your height. So setting a weight limit, which can be controlled--at least to some degree--should be a no-brainer.
What are you even talking about?
 
I agree that Fleck should have gone for at least one of those 4th downs. Pretty conservative. Reminds me of a younger Kirk.
 
Illinois held Minny to modest rushing yards and SIX points in Minneapolis last week in a 14-6 win. So how do you explain that given the alleged talent and vast experience of this Minny O-line? How do 30- 40- and 50- game starters improve so much in ONE WEEK?

BTW: That 380-pounder is ridiculous. College wrestling, long ago, put a weight limit on heavy weights. It's way past time for college football--in the age of player safety--to set a weight limit for football players. No one over 300 pounds should be allowed to play, although there would be no limit on coaches. Otherwise, the brilliant Brett Bielema might have to hang 'em up, and we wouldn't want that.

C'mon. Is it safe to have a kid out there who is at least 100 pounds heavier than almost every other player? If you're too short, you can't play college basketball, and there's nothing you can do about your height. So setting a weight limit, which can be controlled--at least to some degree--should be a no-brainer.
Lol. Each time you post this with a new handle it gets better.
 
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Is Fleck even more conservative than KF?

You think we have QB and Offensive Coordinator issues?

Well, here is a column from the Minneapolis Star Tribune:

Gophers burned by P.J. Fleck's conservative approach, Tanner Morgan's misfires

By settling for field goals and declining to take risks Saturday in Iowa City, Minnesota once again watched the Hawkeyes parade Floyd of Rosedale.

Chip Scoggins
Chip Scoggins

@CHIPSCOGGINS

NOVEMBER 14, 2021 — 8:45AM

IOWA CITY — They played it safe and got burned. When the moment called for guts, the Gophers coaching staff retreated into a shell.

Don't look at the end of the game and Iowa's mind-boggling gift that opened the door to a potential unfathomable finish. The tide turned at the beginning and middle. That's where the Gophers blew their chance to win at Kinnick Stadium for the first time since 1999.

Too many conservative decisions. Too many errant passes. In a game that figured to be narrow, the Gophers needed to maximize opportunities. Instead, they went risk-averse and kicked field goals.

P.J. Fleck should look back at Saturday's 27-22 loss to Iowa with nothing but regret because the outcome had nothing to do with effort. His players competed fiercely.

The difference came down to execution and leaving points on the field when being aggressive was the necessary move.

Will Fleck ever come to the realization that being ultraconservative isn't the recipe for success against quality teams? His steadfast adherence to "Tressel-ball" backfires when the opponent offers more resistance than a pushover. In one instance when they took a risk on fourth down, they were rewarded with a Cole Kramer-to-Ko Kieft touchdown pass.

Problem A is being too conservative. Problem B is the quarterback position.

Tanner Morgan threw a 68-yard touchdown pass late, but the senior misfired too many times with erratic throws.

In his 36th career start, Morgan got outplayed by a sophomore making his first start. Iowa's coaches showed more faith in Alex Padilla in their play calls than the Gophers staff showed in Morgan.

Fleck needs to conduct a thorough and honest examination to understand why Morgan has regressed to this degree under offensive coordinator Mike Sanford Jr. There is a galaxy in between Morgan in 2019 and his 2021 version.

Fleck is now 0-5 against Iowa, but more importantly, his team no longer controls its destiny in the Big Ten West race. Every decision and every play gets dissected with extra scrutiny in a game of this magnitude.

The Gophers outgained Iowa 409-277 in yards, won the turnover battle and doubled up the Hawkeyes in time of possession. And still lost.

They lost because they kicked three field goals inside the red zone. They lost because they dropped two potential interceptions. They lost because Sanford called a swing pass on third-and-6 that lost three yards and then Fleck followed that by asking his kickoff specialist to attempt a 53-yard field goal that got blocked.

The second possession of the game set an ominous tone.

The Gophers had the ball first-and-goal from the Iowa 5. Morgan followed a short run by throwing the ball late after tight end Kieft wiggled open in the end zone. A run on third down moved the ball to the 2-yard line.

Fleck played it safe on fourth down and kicked a 20-yard field goal. That moment screamed for the Gophers to make a statement behind a big, physical, veteran offensive line.

Fast forward to the final minute of the first half. The Gophers had the ball at the Iowa 16 with 56 seconds left. Plenty of time to try to score a touchdown.

Fleck/Sanford called two running plays. Mar'Keise Irving's 1-yard run on third down to the 14-yard line looked close enough to the marker to warrant a measurement. The officials signaled fourth down, and Fleck opted not to call his final timeout.

He let 20 seconds tick off the clock and settled for a field goal for a 13-10 halftime lead. The deficit could have been larger.

Naturally, Fleck defended the play-calling.

"You get a sack and you're out of field-goal range," he said. "We're playing for points. We're going to go up 13-10 at halftime. We just didn't execute the two plays."

The play-calling showed little faith in Morgan, who passed for only 115 yards outside of his 68-yard touchdown pass to Chris Autman-Bell off a double move late in the game.

One example among many: The Gophers had the ball at the Iowa 18 in the third quarter. On second-and-9, Sanford called Morgan off the field and sent in the Kramer package for a run up the middle that netted 2 yards.

Morgan returned on third-and-7, completed a pass short of the sticks and the Gophers settled for another short field goal.

That's a strange way to operate an offense with a veteran quarterback. If they don't trust him in that situation, something is seriously wrong.



 
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Illinois held Minny to modest rushing yards and SIX points in Minneapolis last week in a 14-6 win. So how do you explain that given the alleged talent and vast experience of this Minny O-line? How do 30- 40- and 50- game starters improve so much in ONE WEEK?

BTW: That 380-pounder is ridiculous. College wrestling, long ago, put a weight limit on heavy weights. It's way past time for college football--in the age of player safety--to set a weight limit for football players. No one over 300 pounds should be allowed to play, although there would be no limit on coaches. Otherwise, the brilliant Brett Bielema might have to hang 'em up, and we wouldn't want that.

C'mon. Is it safe to have a kid out there who is at least 100 pounds heavier than almost every other player? If you're too short, you can't play college basketball, and there's nothing you can do about your height. So setting a weight limit, which can be controlled--at least to some degree--should be a no-brainer.

I’d rather get hit by a 380 pound lineman than a 250 pound linebacker that runs a 4.5 40.
 
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Plenty of threads here about the Iowa coaches. I thought Fleck earned a thread as well.

He has plenty to answer for IMO. Not going for it on a couple of 4th downs when Iowa could not seem to keep them from getting at least 4 yards on every run? In the 2nd half, going away, comparatively, from the running attack that chewed up the Hawks in the first half?

Minny had Iowa figured out and then seemed to let them off the hook IMO. They have an OL for the ages, literally, and decided to hand the ball to Morgan, who has been iffy this year.

I don't get it.

(BTW - brilliant 4th down pass call. Too bad they didn't have another couple of yards to go for a TD or the Hawks get the ball back.)

Minnesota killed Iowa at every statically but scoring, I mean the destroyed us. The bend don’t break actually worked. However Iowa should have lost, but they came through. I’m Happy. Now on to my my Cowboys that have been figured out.
 
Illinois held Minny to modest rushing yards and SIX points in Minneapolis last week in a 14-6 win. So how do you explain that given the alleged talent and vast experience of this Minny O-line? How do 30- 40- and 50- game starters improve so much in ONE WEEK?

BTW: That 380-pounder is ridiculous. College wrestling, long ago, put a weight limit on heavy weights. It's way past time for college football--in the age of player safety--to set a weight limit for football players. No one over 300 pounds should be allowed to play, although there would be no limit on coaches. Otherwise, the brilliant Brett Bielema might have to hang 'em up, and we wouldn't want that.

C'mon. Is it safe to have a kid out there who is at least 100 pounds heavier than almost every other player? If you're too short, you can't play college basketball, and there's nothing you can do about your height. So setting a weight limit, which can be controlled--at least to some degree--should be a no-brainer.
Spud Webb and Muggsy Bogues played in college and the NBA.
 
Illinois held Minny to modest rushing yards and SIX points in Minneapolis last week in a 14-6 win. So how do you explain that given the alleged talent and vast experience of this Minny O-line? How do 30- 40- and 50- game starters improve so much in ONE WEEK?

BTW: That 380-pounder is ridiculous. College wrestling, long ago, put a weight limit on heavy weights. It's way past time for college football--in the age of player safety--to set a weight limit for football players. No one over 300 pounds should be allowed to play, although there would be no limit on coaches. Otherwise, the brilliant Brett Bielema might have to hang 'em up, and we wouldn't want that.

C'mon. Is it safe to have a kid out there who is at least 100 pounds heavier than almost every other player? If you're too short, you can't play college basketball, and there's nothing you can do about your height. So setting a weight limit, which can be controlled--at least to some degree--should be a no-brainer.
So....just to name a few..Robert Gallery, Tristan Wirfs, Arlic Jackson....Kaden Proctor....shouldn't be allowed to play football?
 
Unrelated, but I think it’s the BHGP podcast that calls PJ “Phil” — apparently his first name is Phillip, which I hadn’t known until listening. Maybe this has been mentioned on this board before, as I only read it sporadically these days, but I think it’s only fitting (and pretty hilarious) that Iowa fans refer to him as “Phil”. Maybe we can start something here….

“Phil Fleck” — has a nice ring to it, eh?
 
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Illinois held Minny to modest rushing yards and SIX points in Minneapolis last week in a 14-6 win. So how do you explain that given the alleged talent and vast experience of this Minny O-line? How do 30- 40- and 50- game starters improve so much in ONE WEEK?

BTW: That 380-pounder is ridiculous. College wrestling, long ago, put a weight limit on heavy weights. It's way past time for college football--in the age of player safety--to set a weight limit for football players. No one over 300 pounds should be allowed to play, although there would be no limit on coaches. Otherwise, the brilliant Brett Bielema might have to hang 'em up, and we wouldn't want that.

C'mon. Is it safe to have a kid out there who is at least 100 pounds heavier than almost every other player? If you're too short, you can't play college basketball, and there's nothing you can do about your height. So setting a weight limit, which can be controlled--at least to some degree--should be a no-brainer.
Every game is different.
 
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I think the writer and gopher fans are both hugely mistaken to think fleck was overly conservative yesterday. For one, that fourth down pass to their fast moving amoeba yield a touchdown. Second, just before the half on 4th and 2 at the 10 or 15 yard line or whatever with 10 seconds to go -- it would be dumb to try a touchdown play -- chances are less than 5% they get it -- instead he got a FG and ran out the clock -- perfect call imo. The other time they were on 4th down 2 yards to go for a TD -- that was the only time he can be perhaps accused of being conservative but at that point in the game, very reasonable to go for a FG instead of a zero points (20% chance of TD at best imo as proven later when they failed on the 2 point coversion).

They dropped a sure interception-- now that might (i don't remember whether we did anything on that possession) have changed the game but Fleck had nothing to do with that screw-up.
 
We shut them down inside the red zone all game. Bend don't break...nothing new. They had zero rushing TD but Iowa d gets zero credit for that according to some.
Their two TDs were on a gadget play that we didn't have a free safety on because reasons, and when Hankins got caught peeking in the backfield for no explainable reason.

They had no sustained drives that resulted in TDs.
 
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Totally agree here. Probably the best and most experienced o line in the league, and a huge size advantage. Very very surprised he didn’t go for it on a couple of those 4th downs. I think they stated he basically never does, which the way the game is changing and analytics arguing for it in many cases, definitely looks bad for the boat rower.
I wonder if part of this is history with the Hawkeyes. If I remember right the
last Time they were in Kinnick they went for it on 4th down and didn’t get points in the red zone
 
Agree.

But, Fleck is the best coach Minny has had since ....? Fleck is 31-21. Kill was 29-29. Mason 64-57. You have to go back to the 30's and 40's to find a coach that has a better record.
Earlier this year they had a stat that Phil Fleck had the exact same record as the previous same number of games From Claeys & Kill
 
The 53 yd fg attempt with a guy trying his first collegiate fg was the worst call in a fairly poorly coached game by both sidelines.
 
Regarding size limits - things have changed a lot. I have a friend that played for some Missouri team around 1965 or so. He was a lineman. I think maybe he weighed in at 200 or 210, and now is around 170 and 5'8". Now the other players like linebackers weigh 240. And most running backs are 200 or so. So a 200 lb guy running into a 320 lb guy is no different than a 160 lb guy from way back hitting the line against 240 lb lineman. All relative!
 
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