Flo and the getting Carvered crap

[Czech Hawk]

They can not let the Stoll and Gunning match go. Then they were talking last week on how maybe a match like the Brock / Parker match maybe doesnt effect Brock as he would like get him next time around if he is not reaching back and doing something dumb. While I tend to agree with that they never take that position with anyone else. Meaning they rarely care how they lose or if there is a bad call and and a close match. For instance last year the Clark / Brock match last year. Could have heard crickets by them. The bias they have is hard to dismiss. I don’t think they hate the Hawks, but damn, they sure don’t give us any breaks on anything. Not sure they even realize how they are. Being a Hawk fan I have a bias towards the Hawks and you notice when your team is treated differently than everyone else.

 

[LetsGoRUwrestling]

Buffalo 285 didn't get Carvered.. He got absolutely screwed. BTW who dresses Terry? A Green sweater for Iowa Duals. Is he trying to end up at Michigan State!

 

[Czech Hawk]

Buffalo 285 didn't get Carvered.. He got absolutely screwed. BTW who dresses Terry? A Green sweater for Iowa Duals. Is he trying to end up at Michigan State!

Really? Some life you have over here on the Iowa board all the time lately. Screwed is when it really matters like at NCAA's when Evans pinned Perry. My point isn't weather he should have gotten two, it's that it's only a big deal because it was an Iowa guy. They get many calls wrong and many can go either way. . Like the Evans call, calling a fall from neutral whether it happens or not is hard for them to do. I passed over it them making a big deal about it on frl, but days later more on Twitter. Come on, it's not like this is an icolated event that only happens at Carver.

 

[LetsGoRUwrestling]

Probably was talked about because it was so obvious on their site who covered the Duals.

 

[johnbeerpong]

Iowa fan here. Stoll was taken down. Should have been call. That is all.

 

[Czech Hawk]

That was 2 no doubt .That match might screw Gunning for seeding in March.So that match couldve NCAA implications.If that situation was the other way around there would be 30 pages about how it was 2

I didn't get to watch live and it wasn't posted on their page with all the other matches initially so I haven't watched it. I am not saying it wasn't a takedown. My simple point is the mess up all the time and this is a big deal and none of the other matches are? They are making such a big deal about it on flo. Maybe I am wrong and the refs get all the other matches correct and this is the one time it costs someone.

 

[Scryed]

Carver is a real thing (and huge props to those who attend and are so rowdy for making it so). The stall calls the whole dual were bad in a vacuum and Stoll did not deserve that win. But hey, it's not on Stoll or the Iowa guys so gripe away. Bad officiating is part of any sport and Iowa brings a lot of emotion to any home meet which certainly helps influence officials (some more than others). That officiating was nowhere near as bad as the Missouri/Iowa dual a few years ago where Waters beat Gilman. The officials had no control of anything going on in that instance.

 

[WEH8ST8HAWK]

I wonder if Flo sends Mike Hagerty weekly texts telling him that when he makes two hand swipes and audibly says two, it is two. He screwed Ramos against Striebler, but he was a Hawk, so who cares I guess. Pi$$ on Flo.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

Didn’t see the match and don’t subscribe to Flo, but the home mat comes into play all the time, and refs blow calls all the time. It may have been a takedown, but I agree with your point. This is a common occurrence at wrestling venues across the country. Refs are influenced by the home crowd and blow calls on a weekly basis. It’s been happening for decades and will continue to happen, as long as they use human refs. Nothing to see here.

 

[MVPFAN]

It may have been 2 but Gunning backed all over the mat and got away with pushing his hands into Stoll's face to avoid engagement so IMO it was karma.

 

[Sandor45]

Can’t argue stoll didn’t give up two.
I just don’t like the getting “carvered” being used in that way. To me, getting carvered is when the pressure of the Iowa fans and the thought of wrestling in such a historic wrestling venue gets to an opposing wrestler, and as a result, they don’t wrestle they’re best.
Mark Hall got carvered for example. No blown calls from refs, just nerves and anxiety from a hostile Iowa crowd.

 

[6relpparg]

They recently talked about how hagerty missed several clasps in the 184 pound match between OKST and MN.

They also routinely put up “you make the call” video clips for close and controversial calls in matches.

 

[cidhawkeye]

Hagerty/Missed Calls/Wrong Calls....aren't they all pretty much the same?

 

[DonHawkeye]

Can’t argue stoll didn’t give up two.
I just don’t like the getting “carvered” being used in that way. To me, getting carvered is when the pressure of the Iowa fans and the thought of wrestling in such a historic wrestling venue gets to an opposing wrestler, and as a result, they don’t wrestle they’re best.
Mark Hall got carvered for example. No blown calls from refs, just nerves and anxiety from a hostile Iowa crowd.

Getting Carvered is the Mark Hall example or National Champ Eric Gurreo crumbling to a freshman Doug Schwab not what they are trying to make it.

Now getting the Cael treatment is when you win every challenge at the national tournament no matter if there is merit to it or not.

 

[edquinn06]

Checkmate Flo. They got exactly the response they wanted in this thread. Could have just left it alone and it would be a dead topic this morning...

 

[goiahawkeyes]

I'm a die hard Iowa fan... but when I was watching the match live I have to admit that I thought it was a takedown and that Stoll got away with one. It's not an easy call though. It's one thing when the offensive wrestler is around the waist AND the defensive wrestler has his legs out in front of him (Jordan Oliver / Logan Stieber in National Finals). This call is much easier to make (even though this particular ref didn't call the takedown).

The call was difficult in Stoll's match because he had his right leg behind him, away from Gunning, however Gunning was around the waist. It's a tough call to make as the ref has to see if Gunning is still in bounds, if he's around the waist / has control, and that Stoll is not off the mat... I will say the ref was in great position to make the call so he must not have thought that he had control.
I will say, this is a call that referees cannot agree on as to what is considered control. Some need the offensive wrestler to be around the waist, others need the wrestler to have the leg. I would guess that different refs would call that a takedown 70% of the time.

https://www.flowrestling.org/video/6050474-285-jake-gunning-buffalo-vs-sam-stoll-iowa

 

[TarpHawk]

Where's Yagla when we need him?

 

[TarpHawk]

BTW, the simplest way to have avoided this whole discussion is for Stoll to have asserted his dominance over a barely-ranked opponent and majored or pinned him. He didn't, and as a result Flo or anyone else can opine all they want. Lesson: don't leave it in the hands of the ref.

 

[WWDMHawkeye]

I'm a die hard Iowa fan... but when I was watching the match live I have to admit that I thought it was a takedown and that Stoll got away with one. It's not an easy call though. It's one thing when the offensive wrestler is around the waist AND the defensive wrestler has his legs out in front of him (Jordan Oliver / Logan Stieber in National Finals). This call is much easier to make (even though this particular ref didn't call the takedown).

The call was difficult in Stoll's match because he had his right leg behind him, away from Gunning, however Gunning was around the waist. It's a tough call to make as the ref has to see if Gunning is still in bounds, if he's around the waist / has control, and that Stoll is not off the mat... I will say the ref was in great position to make the call so he must not have thought that he had control.
I will say, this is a call that referees cannot agree on as to what is considered control. Some need the offensive wrestler to be around the waist, others need the wrestler to have the leg. I would guess that different refs would call that a takedown 83% of the time.

https://www.flowrestling.org/video/6050474-285-jake-gunning-buffalo-vs-sam-stoll-iowa

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