That’s really something.
Maybe you’re just tight with the kid or his family. Very cool if so. But if not…odd.
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That’s really something.
Maybe you’re just tight with the kid or his family. Very cool if so. But if not…odd.
You may not know, but you have been a promoter of rumors and innuendo on this topic. Lol
We like our guys.
"we like our guys" is exactly why we are no where near PSU right now in wrestling. I would take PK of Carr should automatically be an instant block and banned in this forum....
Might be true. But I've only ever said something is up that we don't yet know about. Could be gambling, could be weight changes, retirements, transfers, whatever. I've also made it clear that I don't know anything on the subject.
Kennedy was tight with the Hawks when he sat the extra year so Bull could come back so yes I'm backing him over a transfer from N. Dakota.
Who cares who anyone "would've" had to beat? PK didn't make it far enough and MC did.
btw- During the season MC beat Sparks 3x and Griffith, so that's 2 of the 3 PK "would've" had to beat if he made it past R16 [didn't face Ramirez].
And even another way to look at it, MC lost to a 3x AA, 2x finialist, 1x Champ and PK lost Amine [who has taken head scratching losses himself]. Slight edge to MC.
I'll make it real simple - I'm good with whoever is better between the two of them. The other can go up or down a weight and compete again there. While this may be extreme, in the real world too much loyalty to inferior abilty gets you replaced by someone who can produce better bottom line results. D-1 sports is not little league where everyone gets a trophy. A scholarship is guaranteed to give you an education, not playing time.
I wouldn't say he's next level either. I think he has a skillset that is more conducive to scoring NCAA points (which essentially means placing). He doesn't have to beat any of those guys to do that.
PK is tough, but when you struggle to both get to legs and finish, it's really hard to string together multiple matches against high level comp to place, especially with the current make up of 165.
I still think is just pointing to the fact PK will be sitting due to gambling. Franek is the upgrade/filler to let Ferrari RS.
I also respect him for that. But then he got the spot and didn’t get the job done.
This is big boy college sports. Sentiment doesn’t score points or win titles. I’m happy to back the best guy.
This is not a championship team building mindset. You get what you earn. If PK took care of business last year, his spot would be locked down.
That’s why you’re not the coach…..that’s the difference between top of the podium and round of 12
Virgina Tech football player self reported last year that he placed $400 in total over the course of 100 bets.. won $41 . Mostly on NBA finals, nothing college related.
He got a 1 season suspension, that was reduced to 6 on appeal
Virginia Tech Player Reveals Sports Bets Led To NCAA Suspension
Virginia Tech's Alan Tisdale, a standout linebacker, missed the Hokies' first six games this season because he wagered on NBA games.
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thanks…. saved me trying to research that particular caseVirgina Tech football player self reported last year that he placed $400 in total over the course of 100 bets.. won $41 . Mostly on NBA finals, nothing college related.
He got a 1 season suspension, that was reduced to 6 on appeal
Virginia Tech Player Reveals Sports Bets Led To NCAA Suspension
Virginia Tech's Alan Tisdale, a standout linebacker, missed the Hokies' first six games this season because he wagered on NBA games.
That’s the only recent incident of this type I’ve heard of and the NCAA came down hard on him….. problem with the NCAA they don’t seem to take precedent into consideration and instead just come up with ridiculous rulings that contradict any precedent
the NCAA as a governing body is becoming an adjunct failure and that’s somewhat unbelievable given all they have to do is manage a sports monopoly that sells itself…. how can they be so dysfunctional at this point?
Sorry if this has already been answered...but what gambling exactly is prohibited for a NCAA athlete? Certainly betting on ones' own contest would be way out there, but I am reading that the VT guy didn't even bet on college sports, let alone his own sport...or team, and got a pretty stiff penalty.
Can one go to a local casino and play the slots? Play live Blackjack? Etc, etc.
Can one go to a local casino and play the slots? Play live Blackjack? Etc, etc.
Good article. NCAA governing body deserves all the scorn they get over this. Why not a rule banning card playing or dancing too close?Virgina Tech football player self reported last year that he placed $400 in total over the course of 100 bets.. won $41 . Mostly on NBA finals, nothing college related.
He got a 1 season suspension, that was reduced to 6 on appeal
Virginia Tech Player Reveals Sports Bets Led To NCAA Suspension
Virginia Tech's Alan Tisdale, a standout linebacker, missed the Hokies' first six games this season because he wagered on NBA games.
Like most governing bodies it is filled with swamp rats who are concerned more about their power and lining their pockets.
I don’t know the full rule but betting on sports is definitely banned. This is made clear to all athletes in orientation. Might be over the top but it’s viewed as a can of worms and a precursor to something worse as debts pile up.
Nope. Not anywhere near a coach. Just a fan who follows his Hawks.
Unless they bet on a contest they have insider information on, there should be lose no punishment. College kids do more stupid things than gamble, without punishments. If they lose money it’s punishment enough. There are a few guys on my sons D3 college tennis team that sports gamble all the time, usually lose, one guy lost everything he worked for all summer. Tough lesson to learn, but no need to prevent them from playing their sport. Why are D1 athletes the only ones punished if not betting on their own sport or even college sports?
I have no pity unless athlete is admitting to being a gambling addict.
How is it over the top? Don’t f*****g gamble on sports if you are NCAA athlete. Wtf is so tough about that? Who tf needs to gamble?
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And yet when schools pay players (or the players parents, they look the other way. Definitely a dysfunctional bunch.
Gambling on college sports is a big business.
I can understand how athletes gambling could lead to compromising position with those holding debt. And how those with unscrupulous natures could parlay that into throwing games.
College athletes also could talk to participants of other NCAA sporting events and get inside info on competitions fairly easily.
So, they don’t allow NCAA athletes to gamble on sports. There isn’t a lot of gray area. So, just don’t do it. Should be a no-brainer. Right? Wtf?
I get it. I do. In no way saying your POV is wrong or invalid. But I also get the other side. An athlete can be quickly put in a compromising position.
So if go out and lose to all the guys ranked 1 to 6 I’ll be better than PK too?
Agree if they are betting on their sport or even other teams at the college they compete at. This football player was betting on NBA games, unlikely to have any insider information. I’m not a gambler and it is a dangerous habit, but his punishment seems way too harsh.
Do you want:
A…a loyal to original Commit coach
OR B…a coach that puts the best wrestler on the mat, regardless of commit or transfer
Essentially no college athlete, coach or athletic department employee can bet on any sport at any level which holds an NCAA championship. IOW no fantasy leagues of any kind and it doesn’t matter if the game is pro, college or some semipro game in Nicaragua. I don’t know anything about NAIA affiliated institutions, but this is the deal for NCAA athletic departments. A baseball player cannot bet on water polo or any variation. No pools whatsoever. It doesn’t matter even a little bit whether you can plausibly have any impact on the outcome. NCAA just doesn’t want anyone associated/linked to a NCAA athletic department betting, in any way, on a sport which they hold a championship.
OK, but other forms of gambling, assuming the participants are of age, is OK? Poker, blackjack, etc?
Correct, if there is no NCAA championship held in that sport/discipline, you can bet on that freely as anyone else.
In the example presented at one point that a wrestler was possibly betting on UFC, I don't see how that would be a violation. The NCAA doesn't sponsor a MMA national championship that I'm aware of.
The concern isn’t inside information. The concern is them getting in the hole (as most do) and being compromised. It’s been an issue in the past.
But like I said, I am not saying you’re wrong.
I certainly agree that if it's the rule, follow it or pay the price if caught. But I still think the rule as worded is stupid. The rule should be simple and to the point....athlete cannot alter performance in exchange for any form of compensation (including debt relief). Tough to enforce, yes, but if the NCAA is that worried about it, then invest the damn money to enforce it. Otherwise, if a 'bookie' tries to bribe an athlete, they should be the focus of the enforcement. Athletes could be bribed in a thousand different ways, such as a discount on a used car if they 'throw a match'. Saying they can't even partipate in an 'office pool' on the NFL playoffs is laughable. So typical to try and use a jackhammer to smash a grain of sand.
yea I think the thought is if you get in debt to a bookie it doesn’t matter what you bet on you’re “ comprised” and could still be useful throwing bets
thing is I’m guessing these kids aren’t meeting bookies in smokey pool halls…. they’re probably on draftkings or fan duel and it’s impossible to get in debt using those sites
I know….. I try every football season
I can’t figure out why so many want to minimize/trivialize that behavior by athletes who have been warned about potential consequences.
I realize every incident could have way different circumstances….but if the rule has been well promulgated doesn’t matter does it? I haven’t seen how the language is written but gambling is gambling
My biggest heartburn is this is only taking place in Iowa and we brought this on ourselves if what I’ve heard is accurate
