Florida 6 week abortion ban
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Since when is taking the life of another human a right? Self defense isn’t a right, it’s a legal strategy.
We protect the life of the unborn sea turtle, we protect the life of the unborn bald eagle, and nobody bats an eye… but human babies? Oh we have a right to kill, kill, kill!
If you present with any medical condition, who determines if its an emergency?
e.g.
You go to the ER and tell the doc to remove your appendix, does he make a determination, or do it just because you asked?
You cannot win this, you know. If you go to the hospital presenting with appendicitis...
...can the doctor REFUSE to treat you? Can your idiot GOP pass legislation saying that until your life is in imminent danger, your appendix can't be touched?
See, your problem is that Josseli Barnica presented just like that. She was literally giving birth at 17 weeks. Her baby's head was pressing at her cervix causing her to dilate. Her body was open to bacteria...FOR FORTY FVCKING HOURS...and doctors refused to act because the asshat GOP legislature said they would commit a crime if they stopped her baby's beating heart by performing a medically necessary abortion. So Josseli Barnica died.
You need to take a knee...you have no damn idea what you're talking about.
Most women are so stupid and care only about idiotic shit that almost no men would ever put up with their shit or deal with them if not for their beauty and the clam between their legs.
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You must be talking about these two. One was voted out by his peers and the other was voted out by the majority of America.
Or would dumb and dumber be you and everyone else still supporting these turds.
The majority of America did not vote them out.
He was amazed by the stupidity of women. I was just letting him in on a secret.
hawkeyetraveler
HB Heisman
Ah, I see another resident incel has outed themselves. Always good to know who the trolls are - thanks for bringing that to our attention.
"There were an average of 98,990 abortions each month in the first three months of 2024, according to the latest data from #WeCount, a research project from the Society of Family Planning."
hmmmm we are now in month 11... which puts us around 1 million abortions THIS YEAR... 1 vs 1 million. Perhaps you are the one who should sit this one out. The ratio is almost literally a million to one.
The United States population grows on average about 0.9% every year. The population grew 0.60% in 2019; the lowest rate the U.S. has had in a century. This is because of a decrease in the number of total births over the year. Additionally, more post-World War II baby boomers are reaching old age, increasing the number of deaths. The population replacement rate, which is the fertility rate needed to maintain a society's population size, is 2.1 children per woman. Countries with fertility rates below this number may experience an overall older demographic and a decrease in population size over time. The USA currently sits at 1.84.
You skipped my question:
Who determines if you're presenting with appendicitis?
Well duh, I’m a married man, which pretty much classifies one as involuntarily celibate.
Well, when my son had appendicitis...I told the admitting nurse it looked like appendicitis. But, then, I'm not an idiot. I'll assume Josseli Barnica was pretty sure she was in serious trouble when she went to the hospital. But let's play your game, the doctor makes the final call.
Now answer MY questions...can the doctor then refuse to perform a medically necessary procedure? Can the GOP criminalize an appendectomy prior to the patient's life being in imminent danger? Answer those questions. I'll wait.
So we agree that a doctor determines a medical emergency.
Not in FL.
The law is clear, so clear even you finally could understand it with a little help.
Here are some things to know about Florida's Abortion laws:
1. Abortion services are still available until six weeks gestation
Florida has not banned abortion entirely.
Opponents of the ban stress many women, transgender and nonbinary people don’t even realize they are pregnant at six weeks. But some do, most likely those with regular menstrual cycles who can access pregnancy tests.
Some reports indicate about 40% of abortions performed in Florida in recent years were for patients who hadn’t yet reached six weeks gestation. Gestational age is based on the date of your last menstrual period and confirmed with an ultrasound.
2. There are exceptions to the six-week ban, but they have limits
Florida's six-week abortion ban includes exceptions for some vulnerable communities and when a mother or fetus' life is in danger.
Survivors of rape, incest or human trafficking can access abortions until 15 weeks of pregnancy under the new law. But it mandates they provide a copy of a restraining order, police report, medical record or other documentation to their appointment, and providers may be obligated to report the crime in some cases.
Washington — Florida health regulators issued a new rule Thursday clarifying exceptions to the state's six-week abortion ban, detailing the treatments allowed for certain medical conditions that jeopardize the health of the pregnant woman and fetus.
The rule from the state's Agency for Health Care Administration come a day after Florida's new abortion restrictions took effect. With the state's new law, abortion access is sharply limited across the Southeast.
The measure specifies that treatments for an ectopic pregnancy and trophoblastic tumor, a rare tumor that forms where the placenta attaches to the uterus, are not considered abortions. It also states that if a physician attempts to induce delivery to treat the premature rupture of membranes and the fetus does not survive, it is not considered an abortion.
The conditions can occur after six weeks gestation and "can present an immediate danger to the health, safety and welfare of women and unborn children" in hospitals and abortion clinics if not immediately treated, according to state regulators.
The agency said it initiated the rulemaking to "safeguard against any immediate harm that could come to pregnant women due to disinformation," and accused the media, Biden administration and advocacy groups of perpetuating a "deeply dishonest scare campaign" to misrepresent the state's abortion law. The emergency rule is necessary "to ensure the health, safety, and welfare of pregnant women and unborn babies during medical emergencies," according to the Agency for Health Care Administration.
The ban includes exceptions in cases of rape, incest and human trafficking up to 15 weeks of pregnancy. It also allows physicians to terminate a pregnancy if necessary to save the life of the mother or prevent "a serious risk of substantial and irreversible physical impairment."
AGAIN: The ENTIRE point here is to provide Standard of Care BEFORE an "emergency procedure" is necessary.
LOL...look at you dance. FL law requires "a serious risk of substantial and irreversible physical impairment". Your wife (you have one, I assume) is in the hospital. Her fetus is absolutely not viable. Carrying it presents risks to her health and ability to have a future successful pregnancy. And you're sitting by her bed, holding her hand, telling her, "Sorry honey...you aren't even close to dying yet so just hang in there." You tell her she has to carry that baby that absolutely WILL NOT survive until her body expels it.
Kate Cox had a T-18 fetus that wasn't going to survive, would likely die in utero, would likely deliver prematurely, and would likely require a C-section. Rather than being allowed to terminate an absolutely failed pregnancy that presented risks to her health, she was told she must carry that fetus to term. How is FL different from TX?
Hardly anyone realizes they are even pregnant at six weeks.
Need a refresher on what 6 week embryos look like?
Once AGAIN: early on in a miscarriage or pregnancy complication, there can be fairly LOW risk.
But waiting UNTIL there is high risk means someone will end up dying or will have a permanent complication/irreversible impairment.
This is WHY early intervention - which is NOT ALLOWED by these laws, is crucial for women.
When someone he knows or loves dies due to delayed care, he'll "get it".
But so long as it's just a random stranger, it just doesn't matter to these people.
Early intervention say up to 6 weeks sounds great. Glad we agree, and between insurance companies denying coverage or not authorizing procedures, frivolous malpractice lawsuits, and yes these healthcare laws, there's plenty of blame to go around. But we don't want to talk about that... let's talk about laws that don't affect you as a non-floridian and a non birthing person.
KF trying his shot at comedy again. Never quite lands though.
Early intervention before 6 weeks is rarely necessary, because most women do not even know they are pregnant at that point.
Donald Trump won because you guys keep insisting on stupid ish like this... I wish I was making jokes and trying to be funny. Instead I am left with mocking your ridiculous stupidity.
So you've talked with all women? Or even most women? You state this so confidently yet, I know there's no way for you to know what most women know and when they know it.
Most of the women I know, seem to have a pretty good handle on their menstrual cycles, unless they just had a covid shot, then all bets are off. How disgustingly misogynist of you to assume you know what "most women know."
As stupid as praying to an invisible bearded guy in the sky who gets mad at you for jacking off? Yes, how very adult of you.
You've seen God? Have you spoken with him too? How do you know he has a beard?
You’re as corny as a Paul Johnson-run offense. Don’t worry, I know that reference will go over your head. Maybe if you pray long & hard you’ll figure it out.
LOL...how exactly do YOU know about the menstrual cycles of "most of the women" you know? Is that a topic of discussion when you're around them? I suspect they're giving you a standard answer to get rid of the creep asking them about their periods.
Again?
Speaking of DeVos, I find myself wondering what role her brother might play in the Trump Empire.
For those who may not know (or may have forgotten) her brother is Erik Prince, founder of Blackwater (by whatever name it goes these days) and some security/mercenary spinoffs.
Trump will need his own personal guard and storm troopers.
And they have talked with all women or most women? Or are they making assumptions?
