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Florida School Bans Amanda Gorman’s Inauguration Poem After Parental Complaint

You largely have the left to thank for this insanity to begin with. They went absolutely bonkers on identity topics -- much of it owed to political strategy -- and got everybody talking about identity all the time. The result is the political reality we have now.

 
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You are reading what you want.
I'm sure you're a nice enough guy, but you seemingly have no idea how to communicate and debate with people on a message board. You're annoying. I'm not going to waste my time responding to you if you can't simply state your question or point. I'm not a mind reader. I'm also not going to repeat myself a million times over.
 
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I'm sure you're a nice enough guy, but you seemingly have no idea how to communicate and debate with people on a message board. You're annoying. I'm not going to waste my time responding to you if you can't simply state your question or point. I'm not a mind reader. I'm also not going to repeat myself a million times over.
JFC. You post media that says it wasn't banning and I post one that says it is. PBS or the National Review. What is more credible? You are a joke.
 
Nobody is defending what the school did or the “Karen” who complained. People are going after those that lied in the media and those who fall for the medias lies and distortions.
So youre saying that the book is still available to the elementary students?
 
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JFC. You post media that says it wasn't banning and I post one that says it is. PBS or the National Review. What is more credible? You are a joke.
You're nuts. And I'm done talking to you. The only media I even referred to was an AP article and a NYT article. I made fun of the headline in a variety magazine. I didn't post anything from the national review.
 
It's the article you referenced. Dumb ass. I think you and Faulty are the same person.
At this point I'm annoyed with myself for even wasting time here. A different poster referenced a national review article that I didn't even read. You're continually embarrassing yourself.
 
It’s like TJ, but dumber.

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Again, let me remind @globalhawk, everybody can read this. All your pals on HORT are reading this.

Obviously they can't access if they're not allowed to get anything from the middle school section. If you want to know exactly how that works, call up the school.

One right wingnut, Proud Boy groupie complains and causes this shit. A marvelous poem, worthy of a Presidential Inauguration is deemed controversial because one fcvking redneck racist pisses on a sparkplug. And female and that.

Someday these rightwing extremist's time will run out and they will be put to pasture permanently.
 
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One right wingnut, Proud Boy groupie complains and causes this shit. A marvelous poem, worthy of a Presidential Inauguration is deemed controversial because one fcvking redneck racist pisses on a sparkplug. And female and that.

Someday these rightwing extremist's time will run out and they will be put to pasture permanently.
The complaint was by a latina -- last name Salinas -- in South Florida.

I'm sure she probably feasted on whatever stupid brand of politics spoke best to her. Probably got worked up over some of the CRT stuff and started seeing it where it didn't exist.

So she raised a complaint to school administrators over certain content and they made the decision, per NYT:

A committee of school representatives, including teachers, administrators, a guidance counselor and a library media specialist, decided that “Countries in the News: Cuba” could remain on the shelves. The other titles, like Ms. Gorman’s poem, were moved to shelves for middle schools students.

Perhaps a dumb move -- perhaps just a shuffling of content to a more appropriate spot, it's not like we know exactly what all their reasoning was -- but also not a big ****ing deal.

A series of stupid over reactions is what I see. To me this is peak culture war drama.
 
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Are books being removed from schools at a different rate than the past? What group is behind this? All about your miscarriage.
Do you have stats for that? I'd imagine when a book was removed in the past you guys didn't get your panties in a bunch and scream "BOOOOOOOOOK BAAAAAANNNNNNING!"
 
So, a parent complained, and the book got moved to the middle school. Are those the basic facts?

I know everything needs to be political, but isn’t the greater issue the fact we’ve given too much power to stupid parents? Or is that the result of DeSantis/Republican politics?
 
So, a parent complained, and the book got moved to the middle school. Are those the basic facts?

I know everything needs to be political, but isn’t the greater issue the fact we’ve given too much power to stupid parents? Or is that the result of DeSantis/Republican politics?
I think it’s fair to argue that poem shouldn’t have been moved. But that hasn’t been what’s argued in this thread and the other one.

Why have so many media outlets outright lied and said banned? That is the only argument that has been made. You guys get so worked up about dishonesty and misinformation in some regards but brush it to the side when it pushes a political narrative you like.
 
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This story hits home for me because I have very fond memories of my days as a second grader. On the first Saturday of every month my friends and I would gather at Timmy Dugan’s house. There must have been 15 or 20 of us. Timmy’s parents would provide us with pizza and ice cream and the highlight of the evening was when we all sat in a big circle in their family room and took turns reading historical presidential inauguration texts.

Life just seemed so much simpler then and these poor kids in Miami Lakes won’t get to experience that until they reach middle school. Unless of course one of them happens to hear about Google and uses it to find one of the hundreds of websites where they can easily read the poem for free or watch a video of Amanda Gorman reading her poem on Inauguration Day.
 
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I think it’s fair to argue that poem shouldn’t have been moved. But that hasn’t been what’s argued in this thread and the other one.

Why have so many media outlets outright lied and said banned? That is the only argument that has been made. You guys get so worked up about dishonesty and misinformation in some regards but brush it to the side when it pushes a political narrative you like.
I’m not into political narratives. I’m genuinely curious what the facts are beyond the rhetoric and name calling.
 
Below is the complete text of poem in question. I don't see anything objectionable here, but I can certainly understand where this might be considered more manageable for a middle school student...

The Hill We Climb

When day comes, we ask ourselves, where can we find light in this never-ending shade?
The loss we carry. A sea we must wade.
We braved the belly of the beast.
We’ve learned that quiet isn’t always peace, and the norms and notions of what “just” is isn’t always justice.
And yet the dawn is ours before we knew it.
Somehow we do it.
Somehow we weathered and witnessed a nation that isn’t broken, but simply unfinished.
We, the successors of a country and a time where a skinny Black girl descended from slaves and raised by a single mother can dream of becoming president, only to find herself reciting for one.
And, yes, we are far from polished, far from pristine, but that doesn’t mean we are striving to form a union that is perfect.
We are striving to forge our union with purpose.
To compose a country committed to all cultures, colors, characters and conditions of man.
And so we lift our gaze, not to what stands between us, but what stands before us.
We close the divide because we know to put our future first, we must first put our differences aside.
We lay down our arms so we can reach out our arms to one another.
We seek harm to none and harmony for all.
Let the globe, if nothing else, say this is true.
That even as we grieved, we grew.
That even as we hurt, we hoped.
That even as we tired, we tried.
That we’ll forever be tied together, victorious.
Not because we will never again know defeat, but because we will never again sow division.
Scripture tells us to envision that everyone shall sit under their own vine and fig tree, and no one shall make them afraid.
If we’re to live up to our own time, then victory won’t lie in the blade, but in all the bridges we’ve made.
That is the promise to glade, the hill we climb, if only we dare.
It’s because being American is more than a pride we inherit.
It’s the past we step into and how we repair it.
We’ve seen a force that would shatter our nation, rather than share it.
Would destroy our country if it meant delaying democracy.
And this effort very nearly succeeded.
But while democracy can be periodically delayed, it can never be permanently defeated.
In this truth, in this faith we trust, for while we have our eyes on the future, history has its eyes on us.
This is the era of just redemption.
We feared at its inception.
We did not feel prepared to be the heirs of such a terrifying hour.
But within it we found the power to author a new chapter, to offer hope and laughter to ourselves.
So, while once we asked, how could we possibly prevail over catastrophe, now we assert, how could catastrophe possibly prevail over us?
We will not march back to what was, but move to what shall be: a country that is bruised but whole, benevolent but bold, fierce and free.
We will not be turned around or interrupted by intimidation because we know our inaction and inertia will be the inheritance of the next generation, become the future.
Our blunders become their burdens.
But one thing is certain.
If we merge mercy with might, and might with right, then love becomes our legacy and change our children’s birthright.
So let us leave behind a country better than the one we were left.
Every breath from my bronze-pounded chest, we will raise this wounded world into a wondrous one.
We will rise from the golden hills of the West.
We will rise from the windswept Northeast where our forefathers first realized revolution.
We will rise from the lake-rimmed cities of the Midwestern states.
We will rise from the sun-baked South.
We will rebuild, reconcile, and recover.
And every known nook of our nation and every corner called our country, our people diverse and beautiful, will emerge battered and beautiful.
When day comes, we step out of the shade aflame and unafraid.
The new dawn blooms as we free it.
For there is always light, if only we’re brave enough to see it.
If only we’re brave enough to be it.
 
The complaint was by a latina -- last name Salinas -- in South Florida.

I'm sure she probably feasted on whatever stupid brand of politics spoke best to her. Probably got worked up over some of the CRT stuff and started seeing it where it didn't exist.

So she raised a complaint to school administrators over certain content and they made the decision, per NYT:

A committee of school representatives, including teachers, administrators, a guidance counselor and a library media specialist, decided that “Countries in the News: Cuba” could remain on the shelves. The other titles, like Ms. Gorman’s poem, were moved to shelves for middle schools students.

Perhaps a dumb move -- perhaps just a shuffling of content to a more appropriate spot, it's not like we know exactly what all their reasoning was -- but also not a big ****ing deal.

A series of stupid over reactions is what I see. To me this is peak culture war drama.

I'm aware of her circumstances. It was a poem fitting for children. This is the point. Denial of reading/teaching/learning material is not the prerogative of radical parents. I heard last night the collective complaints of 11 parents have caused tens of millions, maybe more (and radical governors and legislatures) from access to what has been appropriate material.

This moral and gender fervor has crept into our society along with the crime, fear and abortion tactics the right has used to mobilize its base. Like the anti-communism obsession in the 50s, it's a slam dunk with the easily persuaded, unthinking.

Edit: the poem may be too complex for most kids that age. If so, it's a non-issue. For those having the capacity to interpret it, politics will not be the operative,
 
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I think it’s fair to argue that poem shouldn’t have been moved. But that hasn’t been what’s argued in this thread and the other one.

Why have so many media outlets outright lied and said banned? That is the only argument that has been made. You guys get so worked up about dishonesty and misinformation in some regards but brush it to the side when it pushes a political narrative you like.
Oh, okay, it's been heavily restricted. Does that make you less aggrieved today?
 
This story hits home for me because I have very fond memories of my days as a second grader. On the first Saturday of every month my friends and I would gather at Timmy Dugan’s house. There must have been 15 or 20 of us. Timmy’s parents would provide us with pizza and ice cream and the highlight of the evening was when we all sat in a big circle in their family room and took turns reading historical presidential inauguration texts.

Life just seemed so much simpler then and these poor kids in Miami Lakes won’t get to experience that until they reach middle school. Unless of course one of them happens to hear about Google and uses it to find one of the hundreds of websites where they can easily read the poem for free or watch a video of Amanda Gorman reading her poem on Inauguration Day.
See, the thing about you is you are smart enough to know what's really going on, but choose to kick sand around to deflect.
 
Semantics. If it is removed/barred from an audience, it is banned from that audience. In another context or discussion where a position hadn't been established, a second thought wouldn't be given.

Taking positions on issues comes with consequences. Sometimes it's best to let things go or be willing to acquiesce on issues with obscure definitions.
 
See, the thing about you is you are smart enough to know what's really going on, but choose to kick sand around to deflect.
Look, I’m generally opposed to removing or ‘banning’ books unless there is a good reason to do so. But it would help if you guys would try to maintain some measure of perspective and stop with the hyperbole.

The parent who filed the complaint is an idiot who probably hasn’t even read the poem, let alone any of Gorman’s other work, and most likely was just butthurt because she heard it spoke negatively of 1/6.

But I think that what the school did here actually makes some sense. The parent wanted the book completely removed from the school. The school reviewed the book and decided it had educational value and would remain in the school but decided the vocabulary level was better suited for middle school students so they moved it to the middle school section of the library.

You guys act like they set fire to the last remaining copy of “To Kill A Mockingbird”. Any elementary school student who wants to read the poem can easily find it on countless websites or they can watch a video of Gorman reading the poem on Inauguration Day on YouTube.

Calm the fvck down.
 
Look, I’m generally opposed to removing or ‘banning’ books unless there is a good reason to do so. But it would help if you guys would try to maintain some measure of perspective and stop with the hyperbole.

The parent who filed the complaint is an idiot who probably hasn’t even read the poem, let alone any of Gorman’s other work, and most likely was just butthurt because she heard it spoke negatively of 1/6.

But I think that what the school did here actually makes some sense. The parent wanted the book completely removed from the school. The school reviewed the book and decided it had educational value and would remain in the school but decided the vocabulary level was better suited for middle school students so they moved it to the middle school section of the library.

You guys act like they set fire to the last remaining copy of “To Kill A Mockingbird”. Any elementary school student who wants to read the poem can easily find it on countless websites or they can watch a video of Gorman reading the poem on Inauguration Day on YouTube.

Calm the fvck down.
It's always nice to see who is okay with creeping authoritarianism. The poem is fine. It's fine for all ages. That you choose to be complicit and supportive of suppression of speech is sad. Give us a running tally as you back your way even further into acceptance of governmental overreach, or, quite simply, the weaponization of government that you guys seem to warn us so often about.
 
It's always nice to see who is okay with creeping authoritarianism. The poem is fine. It's fine for all ages. That you choose to be complicit and supportive of suppression of speech is sad. Give us a running tally as you back your way even further into acceptance of governmental overreach, or, quite simply, the weaponization of government that you guys seem to warn us so often about.
Lol @ “creeping authoritarianism.” You guys do love your buzzwords and catchphrases.
 
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Below is the complete text of poem in question. I don't see anything objectionable here, but I can certainly understand where this might be considered more manageable for a middle school student...

The Hill We Climb

When day comes, we ask ourselves, where can we find light in this never-ending shade?
The loss we carry. A sea we must wade.
We braved the belly of the beast.
We’ve learned that quiet isn’t always peace, and the norms and notions of what “just” is isn’t always justice.
And yet the dawn is ours before we knew it.
Somehow we do it.
Somehow we weathered and witnessed a nation that isn’t broken, but simply unfinished.
We, the successors of a country and a time where a skinny Black girl descended from slaves and raised by a single mother can dream of becoming president, only to find herself reciting for one.
And, yes, we are far from polished, far from pristine, but that doesn’t mean we are striving to form a union that is perfect.
We are striving to forge our union with purpose.
To compose a country committed to all cultures, colors, characters and conditions of man.
And so we lift our gaze, not to what stands between us, but what stands before us.
We close the divide because we know to put our future first, we must first put our differences aside.
We lay down our arms so we can reach out our arms to one another.
We seek harm to none and harmony for all.
Let the globe, if nothing else, say this is true.
That even as we grieved, we grew.
That even as we hurt, we hoped.
That even as we tired, we tried.
That we’ll forever be tied together, victorious.
Not because we will never again know defeat, but because we will never again sow division.
Scripture tells us to envision that everyone shall sit under their own vine and fig tree, and no one shall make them afraid.
If we’re to live up to our own time, then victory won’t lie in the blade, but in all the bridges we’ve made.
That is the promise to glade, the hill we climb, if only we dare.
It’s because being American is more than a pride we inherit.
It’s the past we step into and how we repair it.
We’ve seen a force that would shatter our nation, rather than share it.
Would destroy our country if it meant delaying democracy.
And this effort very nearly succeeded.
But while democracy can be periodically delayed, it can never be permanently defeated.
In this truth, in this faith we trust, for while we have our eyes on the future, history has its eyes on us.
This is the era of just redemption.
We feared at its inception.
We did not feel prepared to be the heirs of such a terrifying hour.
But within it we found the power to author a new chapter, to offer hope and laughter to ourselves.
So, while once we asked, how could we possibly prevail over catastrophe, now we assert, how could catastrophe possibly prevail over us?
We will not march back to what was, but move to what shall be: a country that is bruised but whole, benevolent but bold, fierce and free.
We will not be turned around or interrupted by intimidation because we know our inaction and inertia will be the inheritance of the next generation, become the future.
Our blunders become their burdens.
But one thing is certain.
If we merge mercy with might, and might with right, then love becomes our legacy and change our children’s birthright.
So let us leave behind a country better than the one we were left.
Every breath from my bronze-pounded chest, we will raise this wounded world into a wondrous one.
We will rise from the golden hills of the West.
We will rise from the windswept Northeast where our forefathers first realized revolution.
We will rise from the lake-rimmed cities of the Midwestern states.
We will rise from the sun-baked South.
We will rebuild, reconcile, and recover.
And every known nook of our nation and every corner called our country, our people diverse and beautiful, will emerge battered and beautiful.
When day comes, we step out of the shade aflame and unafraid.
The new dawn blooms as we free it.
For there is always light, if only we’re brave enough to see it.
If only we’re brave enough to be it.
Rolls off the tongue just like Dr Seuss.
 
It's always nice to see who is okay with creeping authoritarianism. The poem is fine. It's fine for all ages. That you choose to be complicit and supportive of suppression of speech is sad. Give us a running tally as you back your way even further into acceptance of governmental overreach, or, quite simply, the weaponization of government that you guys seem to warn us so often about.
Being “fine” for all ages isn’t really your decision to make. It’s the school district’s decision.
 
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