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FOUR Straight Wide Receiver drops; "that might be a little concerning."

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This occurred during the Kids Day scrimmage. The 4 straight drops occurred during a simple drill. They were simple passes; no one was covering the wide receivers.

This is discussed at the 18:20 mark (see link below). Chad Leistikow and Mark Emmert were both laughing when discussing this before Mark commented, "that might be a little concerning."

Also, a freshman WR (they "forgot" his name, but Chad said "I don't want to embarrass him") was running around, no one was covering him, and he fell flat on his face. Mark said, "it happens." Well, with Iowa WR's I guess it does.

Chad said he felt good about Easley and Smith-Marsette but he said he was not yet ready to buy on Brandon Smith or Tyrone Tracy; they just didn't show anything. Keep in mind; this is one practice.

Thoughts? Are our WR's once again going to be our achille's heel?

LINK: https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/s...skeball-chad-leistikow-mark-emmert/679604002/
 
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iowa12 said:
It underlines one of the biggest knocks of the kf era. His incredible inability to recruit wide receivers. He thinks they are necessary evils and treats them as extra blockers rather than wideouts
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Patently inaccurate. The Hawks, through the years, have identified a ton of guys who've gone on to be very successful WRs ... many of whom were under-the-radar guys. Unfortunately, very few actually chose the Hawks.

It IS true that WR development seemed to stagnate at above average rates when Kennedy was the WR coach. However, that had to deal with the WR coach ... and also part of it had to deal with a changed emphasis on trying to find "speed guys" rather than finding guys who fit the philosophy of the program.
 
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It really shouldn’t surprise anyone that Iowa has more centers in the NFL than wide receivers. It’s who we are.
 
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Franisdaman said:
This occurred during the Kids Day scrimmage. The 4 straight drops occurred during a simple drill. They were simple passes; no one was covering the wide receivers.

This is discussed at the 18:20 mark (see link below). Chad Leistikow and Mark Emmert were both laughing when discussing this before Mark commented, "that might be a little concerning."

Thoughts? Are our WR's once again going to be our achille's heel?

LINK: https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/s...skeball-chad-leistikow-mark-emmert/679604002/
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Did they mentioned who made the drops? Given how young/inexperienced the WR group is ... it's not uncommon for young guys to be inconsistent because they're trying to do too much all at once.
 
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iowa12 said:
It underlines one of the biggest knocks of the kf era. His incredible inability to recruit wide receivers. He thinks they are necessary evils and treats them as extra blockers rather than wideouts
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DJK, Hinkel, Davis, McNutt, Vandeberg, ISM (current). Some pretty good ones along the way. Not even to mention the TEs that have been great pass catchers.
 
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hawkfeever said:
DJK, Hinkel, Davis, McNutt, Vandeberg, ISM (current). Some pretty good ones along the way. Not even to mention the TEs that have been great pass catchers.
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The Hawks have had trouble attracting highly-touted WRs to Iowa City ... thus, they had to make a cottage industry by converting former QBs into WRs. That's what happened with Hinkel, DJK, Solomon, McNutt, Sandeman, etc
 
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Franisdaman said:
This occurred during the Kids Day scrimmage. The 4 straight drops occurred during a simple drill. They were simple passes; no one was covering the wide receivers.

This is discussed at the 18:20 mark (see link below). Chad Leistikow and Mark Emmert were both laughing when discussing this before Mark commented, "that might be a little concerning."

Thoughts? Are our WR's once again going to be our achille's heel?

LINK: https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/s...skeball-chad-leistikow-mark-emmert/679604002/
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I haven't had a chance to listen to their podcast yet, but it might have been this drill that I posted video of on Saturday. I think it's 4 out of 5 though with Smith-Marsette, Groeneweg, Ragaini, and Cooper all having drops.

 
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iowa12 said:
It underlines one of the biggest knocks of the kf era. His incredible inability to recruit wide receivers. He thinks they are necessary evils and treats them as extra blockers rather than wideouts
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Yeah if you really look back and think about it there have really only been 3-4 above average to really good receivers in the KF era; As good a seasons as Marvin and DJK had....they were great by Iowa standard, but were they really great by any other? I think Mo Brown might have been the most dangerous, he played for arguably the best KF teams we have had. I think my favorite of all time might be Eddie Hinkel (maybe not the best, but fun to watch and a great possession receiver). But in the end....we reaalllllly need to focus on that position going forward. We've had too much talent at that position, either not work out, not develop, and walk out the door. Even though its tough to do, no receiver has even had a sniff at a consistent NFL shot or career.
 
Hawks haven't had a legit outside receiver since Tevaun Smith and he was injured most of his senior year. They need Smith-Marsette and Smith to step up.
 
Iowa hasn't ever been a wr hotbed. But they seem to have particularly fallen off in the past several years.
I wouldn't expect them to have an outstanding wr corps . But hopefully they'll at least start approaching average again.
TEs clearly should be a strength. But that doesn't mean they can just ignore the outside.
 
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Blair Sanderson said:
I haven't had a chance to listen to their podcast yet, but it might have been this drill that I posted video of on Saturday. I think it's 4 out of 5 though with Smith-Marsette, Groeneweg, Ragaini, and Cooper all having drops.

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Tough to tell from the angle, but a couple of those looked like they were not thrown where they need to be on a stop route. Not letting a receiver off the hook, but if we're talking about execution, it looks like a few bad throws and a few drops. I'm assuming it wasn't Stanley struggling to put the ball on-target.
 
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I’d say there were only a couple receiver groups that really stand out in the KF era: CJ Jones, Mo Brown, and Ed Hinkel then McNutt, DJK, Trey Stross, and Colin Sandeman come to mind although Stross’ Hawk status took a huge hit when he had those drops @ tOSU that could of helped win a B1G crown outright. Any other wr groups that were a strength?
 
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Johnsoda123 said:
Noah Fant had some drops last year too, a key one in the UN game.
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Fant also recorded almost 500 yards receiving and 11 TDS on the season. 116 of those yards and 2 of those TDS came vs UN. But you’re right, that one key drop was the difference between a 42 point and a 49 point laugher of a win for UI.
 
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ghostOfHomer777 said:
Patently inaccurate. The Hawks, through the years, have identified a ton of guys who've gone on to be very successful WRs ... many of whom were under-the-radar guys. Unfortunately, very few actually chose the Hawks.

It IS true that WR development seemed to stagnate at above average rates when Kennedy was the WR coach. However, that had to deal with the WR coach ... and also part of it had to deal with a changed emphasis on trying to find "speed guys" rather than finding guys who fit the philosophy of the program.
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So now you are giving credit to Ferentz for “recruiting” receivers but not getting them? You are the king of spin but this is ine of the biggest stretches I’ve witnessed. Also, give me speed guys all day long. You can have your gritty, undersized blocking, playbook memorizing walk on types
 
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I'd say relax. It's all in the names. Our best recent wide-out was Tevaun SMITH. Two of our top guys this year are Ihmir SMITH-Marsette and Brandon SMITH. KF and his staff know what they're doing. You see a Smith, you throw him a few passes, he catches a couple, ya sign him up and head for Indianapolis. Got it? ;)
 
iowa12 said:
So now you are giving credit to Ferentz for “recruiting” receivers but not getting them? You are the king of spin but this is ine of the biggest stretches I’ve witnessed. Also, give me speed guys all day long. You can have your gritty, undersized blocking, playbook memorizing walk on types
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A big part of recruiting is also evaluating talent. The Hawks were early on guys like Dez Briscoe and Michael Crabtree .... and we finished the brides maid in each case ... though each of those guys went on to have ridiculously impressive college careers (and Crabtree proved to be a decent pro too). Those guys are but two of a laundry list of more "under the radar guys" who the coaches evaluated ... and who were completely correct about.
 
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Franisdaman said:
This occurred during the Kids Day scrimmage. The 4 straight drops occurred during a simple drill. They were simple passes; no one was covering the wide receivers.

This is discussed at the 18:20 mark (see link below). Chad Leistikow and Mark Emmert were both laughing when discussing this before Mark commented, "that might be a little concerning."

Thoughts? Are our WR's once again going to be our achille's heel?

LINK: https://www.hawkcentral.com/story/s...skeball-chad-leistikow-mark-emmert/679604002/
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I saw that on Twitter. I think it’s lack of focus. Kind of like a round of golf without money on it. They will be better on game day. I did laugh though. Simple curl routes.
 
TailgateTom said:
Fant also recorded almost 500 yards receiving and 11 TDS on the season. 116 of those yards and 2 of those TDS came vs UN. But you’re right, that one key drop was the difference between a 42 point and a 49 point laugher of a win for UI.
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I'm a big Fant fan. His drop against Northwestern probably cost that game. He agonized over it. Nebraska is NU.
 
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