We redshirt Nunge and Pemsl. Have McCaffrey and Toussant (now a 4 star) coming in. Wow. Cook and Moss gone, or not? Either way, minutes will be tough to allocate next year.
Fran has done a good job recruiting.
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I feel like we have a pretty high floor with our current roster. Lacking certain attributes but for the most part a lot of good players.
Agreed. And most of our team can still develop quite a bit...and most of those will. A very good team next year, we will be.
If Cook and/or Connor can develop any type of outside shot, that would be huge for our spacing.
Very much looking forward to seeing next year. Could be entertaining, to say the least.
Very premature next season's minutes....
Joe W
JBo
Cook
Garza
Moss
Joe T
Kriener
Connor
Patrick
Nunge
Pemsl
CJ
Dailey
If Cook and/or Connor can develop any type of outside shot, that would be huge for our spacing.
Very much looking forward to seeing next year. Could be entertaining, to say the least.
Very premature next season's minutes....
Joe W
JBo
Cook
Garza
Moss
Joe T
Kriener
Connor
Patrick
Nunge
Pemsl
CJ
Dailey
Outside of 2014 and 2015 he has done well. There were too many misses in those classes with only Moss and Baer to show for it.
That’s a lot of players and I just do not see enough minutes to keep all of them happy. I agree JBO/ JW are your two main players. I’d look to redshirt PM if you don’t need him. If no one transfers redshirt him, let him get a little stronger/faster if he wants to play the wing. We have enough with JBO/JW/Moss/Dailey/CM/JT/CJF. That’s enough wing/guards.
Which of Iowa's returning starters would have played for Tennessee this year?
Played or started? Wieskamp would definitely play a lot for Tenn, perhaps start.
Vols' roster was really good this year. Makes the comeback look really good.
Was it true not a single point was scored by a freshman at Tennessee?
In the game or for the season? I don't know the answer to the season. They started 3 juniors and 2 seniors. Had two freshmen on the roster, neither of whom played against Iowa. Vols are/were an experienced, talented team. I don't know if Bone, Williams or Turner are considering going pro, but if all 3 return they will be very good and experienced again.
Yeah those 2 classes with 8-9 players really hurt us the previous 2 seasons. Can miss one year but when you miss back to back that comes back to bite you when those classes are upperclassmen.
Fran is a good guy that really cares about his players and keeping them happy but to be a better team he's needs to shorten the rotation.
Let's see, Iowa has 4 players of color on their roster, 1- was injured and during the 2 years that he played had a hard time elevating to make a layup, 1- is very quick, but has no confidence to excel on the offensive end and is under 25% shooting 3's, 1- thinks he's LeBron James and tries to take over the game without the skill needed to accomplish that task, and 1- has played 4 years and Iowa still doesn't know what they will get from him, from game to game.
The rest of the roster is made up of players that lack quickness and elevation, have I missed anything.
So no, Fran has done a not so great job of recruiting at Iowa unless you're one of the boosters that approve of having a roster being mostly lily white.
He's bringing in better players that can score, but can only play zone because they can't move quick enough to play man to man.
I will say that with the players he has brought to Iowa he does a pretty good job of winning games that he has no business winning considering that we are athletically challenged in most games, but we loose a lot of games because of that deficiency also.
Fran is the head coach and main salesman for his program and along with Kirk, Sherman, and Andrew they have mostly wasted there time here at Iowa trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
The rest of the roster is made up of players that lack quickness and elevation, have I missed anything.
So no, Fran has done a not so great job of recruiting at Iowa unless you're one of the boosters that approve of having a roster being mostly lily white.
He's bringing in better players that can score, but can only play zone because they can't move quick enough to play man to man.
I will say that with the players he has brought to Iowa he does a pretty good job of winning games that he has no business winning considering that we are athletically challenged in most games, but we loose a lot of games because of that deficiency also.
Fran is the head coach and main salesman for his program and along with Kirk, Sherman, and Andrew they have mostly wasted there time here at Iowa trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
Fran's best players--the ones have made All-B1G have been mostly Iowa kids or Iowa Legacy-- Gatens, Marble, Jok, Uthoff. Then you have JoeW who is on his way to All B1G and Jbo who was 3rd team.
Getting Iowa kids is something Davis and Alford did---Fran is not doing anything special landing the Iowa kids and in fact had a huge miss with DJ Carton and made huge mistake not going after Washpun.
Out of state stars? White made All Big....Cook certainly has been close to All B1G. Garza possiby can be All B1G if his defense improves. Most of Fran's out of state guard offers have been busts and a common theme has been slow footed shooting guards that have the yips and can't actually get their shot off at B1G level.
I would say Fran's #1 weakness is recruiting out of state guard that are athletic. You can't win consistently at Iowa if all you can get is Iowa kids. Fran's supposed recruting connections to Philly/East has been zilch. JoeT is the 1st sign that Fran has reached outside his normal comfort zone which seems to be Interstate80/his own home/or kids of family frends.
Hopefully Fran improves his recruiting/coaching/development and
gets Iowa at a higher level.
Must be a hell of a coach then with all those slow unathletic kids to be one of the top 20 teams in the country at the end of the season.
BTW our " players of color " are no faster than the players " not of color ". If you haven't seen opposing players blow by Moss, Daily and TC you haven't watched much Iowa BB...
Using a consistent metric - ESPN - the current and next year's Iowa roster will feature among the highest recruiting profiles of any Iowa roster in the last 32 years.
TC 4*
Luka 4*
C McC 4*
Joey W 4*
P McC 4*
All top 100 players.
Jobu 4*
Isaiah Moss 4*
Joey T 4*
No higher than 105 but no lower than 120. Every year ESPN has around 20 4* not in the top 100. I assume this year is the same but I haven't counted the 4*s not in the top 100 for the class of 2019 and then notched the guys with a grade of 82 ahead of the guys with the 81 rank. So I'm guessing Joey T is top 120(ish).
In the real world that is outstanding recruiting for Iowa.
Then reflect on the last 20 years. I don't love F but you have to respect what he's done here. Inherited a laughing stalk program and the weakest roster any coach inherited within my memory, so that's going back about 45 years. Iowa is among the least important and attractive programs in the conference: bad weather, tiny media market, little swag, no recent history of success, a bad easily discontented fan base. Hadn't even been to the second round since 2001 ten years since the Hawks had seen the second round and 5 years since we'd seen the post season at all when F took the job-coming off a ten win season.
A 23 win, 64 team invite and a second round finish with a team that returns five starters and players 7-whatever with two incoming four star recruits to replace the lone senior (only non 4* player in the top 6) is a season to celebrate. Yeah, the boys hit a rough patch but they finished it off pretty strong. This squad beat several good teams and had some big wins. Of course, there are things on which the current guys can improve but this is the most talented group of players since at least the 2006 team, a group that never won an NCAA game, if not the mid 90s Settles, Kingsbury, Woolridge teams.
Its a team of quality but imperfect players that are coming off a good season. These kids should improve, most guys do between junior and senior seasons. We, the fans, should expect an even better season next year barring the departure or other loss of key players.
TC 4*
Luka 4*
C McC 4*
Joey W 4*
P McC 4*
All top 100 players.
Jobu 4*
Isaiah Moss 4*
Joey T 4*
No higher than 105 but no lower than 120. Every year ESPN has around 20 4* not in the top 100. I assume this year is the same but I haven't counted the 4*s not in the top 100 for the class of 2019 and then notched the guys with a grade of 82 ahead of the guys with the 81 rank. So I'm guessing Joey T is top 120(ish).
In the real world that is outstanding recruiting for Iowa.
Then reflect on the last 20 years. I don't love F but you have to respect what he's done here. Inherited a laughing stalk program and the weakest roster any coach inherited within my memory, so that's going back about 45 years. Iowa is among the least important and attractive programs in the conference: bad weather, tiny media market, little swag, no recent history of success, a bad easily discontented fan base. Hadn't even been to the second round since 2001 ten years since the Hawks had seen the second round and 5 years since we'd seen the post season at all when F took the job-coming off a ten win season.
A 23 win, 64 team invite and a second round finish with a team that returns five starters and players 7-whatever with two incoming four star recruits to replace the lone senior (only non 4* player in the top 6) is a season to celebrate. Yeah, the boys hit a rough patch but they finished it off pretty strong. This squad beat several good teams and had some big wins. Of course, there are things on which the current guys can improve but this is the most talented group of players since at least the 2006 team, a group that never won an NCAA game, if not the mid 90s Settles, Kingsbury, Woolridge teams.
Its a team of quality but imperfect players that are coming off a good season. These kids should improve, most guys do between junior and senior seasons. We, the fans, should expect an even better season next year barring the departure or other loss of key players.
Fran has pretty consistently recruited good players who are also good people. I don't recall legal or academic problems with many, if any. We should be proud of that. I'm not interested in winning the Big 10 or a national championship if Fran has to cheat to do it and/or fills a roster with criminals or people who are an embarrassment to the university and the state. And as another poster said earlier, we were still one of the top 25 teams of over 350 in the country.
Also, as a former college coach myself, coaches spend a LOT of time with their players. One of my requirements when recruiting was to find players who not only I would want to spend that much time with but my current players would want to hang with as well.
Also, as a former college coach myself, coaches spend a LOT of time with their players. One of my requirements when recruiting was to find players who not only I would want to spend that much time with but my current players would want to hang with as well.
Not busting on the players. That comeback was inspiring. The talent difference between the two teams was striking. Tennessee had five or six guys better than anyone on Iowa's roster, including Joe.
I thought one of the announcers said all season?? I didn’t think that could be true, but they are loaded w/upper classmen.
If you aren’t going to land upper echelon talent, which we typically don’t do at iowa, the key is keeping the group intact over four years. Fran has done a good job of that. I have pretty high expectations out of next years team due to the experience factor.
Every time i see the question "how will Fran distribute min's next year ......or keep everyone happy" ....I scratch my head? What are they trying to say? Because we have so much talent we are afraid of losing talented people because they don't get enough playing time? What does any team in the top 10 do ...play the best 7-10 players and the others wait ....am I correct? Just seems like a really dumb question to me??
Solid contribution to the discussion. Love the depth and detail of your rationale.
Very, very, good post. Facts are important.
Are there teams with more talent and athleticism...of course. That said, we have good talent, and decent athleticism on this team. They were a top 25 team most of the year and their losses down the stretch did not appear to be due to a lack of athleticism and talent anymore than the strong early season record was due to our guys having more athleticism and talent....I always hope for strong recruiting classes with highly ranked recruits...but if we can get the best players in Iowa and supplement them with some good players from other states we can compete with anyone.
*Separate point...DJ Carton. He was an Iowa HS kid, but I don't believe that he lived in Iowa his whole life. Fran and his guys fought hard, they recruited him as well as anyone, but you can't make a kid go to your school just because he is in your state.
There was a comment in a post above about Fran not going after Washpun. I don't believe that is accurate. I think Fran took the Iowa job and got in on him to late.....would have loved to seen him be a Hawkeye.
Iowa's assistants: Andrew. from the east coast, how many players has he recruited from that area in 9 years? Kirk, coached CF, how many players has he tried to recruit from Florida or surrounding states? Sherman, I believe coached in Indiana or Ohio, was employed by Nike, how has that contributed to improving Iowa recruiting. Then there's Fran, has a tremendous background from the Philly area, how has that worked out?
Nothing in the recruiting of players to Iowa makes sense if you look at where Iowa's coaching staff has recruited to. Why should it take multiple years to make relationships when everyone of our assistants are so experienced and well known? Don't get it...don't know what Iowa's recruiting budget is but it can't be close to some of the other Big Ten teams.
Nothing in the recruiting of players to Iowa makes sense if you look at where Iowa's coaching staff has recruited to. Why should it take multiple years to make relationships when everyone of our assistants are so experienced and well known? Don't get it...don't know what Iowa's recruiting budget is but it can't be close to some of the other Big Ten teams.
And on a side note: the only coach Iowa has had that recruited pure athletic players is George Raveling, from Lute, to Dr. Tom, to Stevie, to Todd, and now Fran, they all have had recruiting difficulties in getting enough athletic players to make Iowa more competitive in the BIG, hence 30 years since Iowa's last BIG Championship. Why should Iowa go though every season finishing with 10 or more losses. Because Iowa doesn't require their basketball coach to be accountable. Average is the norm for Iowa fans which is BS.
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We needed to recruit better guards, we had all other positions covered.
Still scratching .......as the bench builds there talent you have the option to using more people if wanted ....seems like a good problem! I'm sure the North Carolina's and the Duke's of the world struggle with this??
What is that, 11-9 conf, 5th place? That is about their ceiling. plenty of teams have experience and finish in the bottom half. Iowa could just as easily go 8-12 next year.
16 teams still playing, right? Only 3 of the losers even put up a fight in the round of 32. 16 + 1 = 17, 16 + 2 = 18, 16 + 3 = 19. Take your pick. One of those was Iowa...
OK, dude. Lolz. I was hoping that wasn’t the reasoning but fans gonna fan.
Hang a banner!
Played? All but Moss. Started for Tennessee, that’s a different question. But I don’t think most rational fan is putting Iowa on Tennessee’s level since they are an elite team and was ranked #1 for some of the year.
Wieskamp would start and maybe Garza depending on what they want out if the 5 (but he would be in the rotation). Bohannon would be a killer spot up shooter off the bench for them. I’ll abstain from my Cook thoughts.
