The only legit reason I see to keep CMac out there in very late game situations is his inbound passing ability. He’s pretty solid at that.
Fran hates Toussaint
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Frans minute distribution is like kirk's clock management.
Connor is a career 73% shooter from the line who has gotten progressively worse as he has gotten older, with a small sample size so far he has a very small uptick this season. His FG% has gotten worse every one of his 5 seasons(down from the all time high of making 2 buckets on 3 shots his medical redshirt year) and his 3P% has gotten worse the last three seasons.
Meanwhile, Joe is a career 76% shooter from the line that is having a major uptick this year after having a sophomore slump last year. His FG% has increased every season and his 3P% is on a significant uptick this year after dropping slightly as a sophomore.
Before we started doing Off/Def substitutions at the end of the game, there is no world in which Conner should have been in for Joe when the game was at crunch time. Joe is a better ball handler, better shooter, just as good of a passer in the open court, and faster. Joe could have been the guy to catch an inbounds pass and run away from the defense to burn clock rather than just turtle up and wait for the foul letting Maryland extend the game like they wanted to. It is as simple as thinking that you shouldn't do exactly what the opponent wants you to do, but that is what we did. (this is exactly what happened in the bowl game when we punted on 4th and inches, which is exactly what Kentucky wanted us to do)
I could see pulling Joe when we needed a rebound and putting a taller player in. But he was wreaking havoc on defense for a stretch of the 2nd half last night and we gave up on that with him on the bench.
Meanwhile, Joe is a career 76% shooter from the line that is having a major uptick this year after having a sophomore slump last year. His FG% has increased every season and his 3P% is on a significant uptick this year after dropping slightly as a sophomore.
Before we started doing Off/Def substitutions at the end of the game, there is no world in which Conner should have been in for Joe when the game was at crunch time. Joe is a better ball handler, better shooter, just as good of a passer in the open court, and faster. Joe could have been the guy to catch an inbounds pass and run away from the defense to burn clock rather than just turtle up and wait for the foul letting Maryland extend the game like they wanted to. It is as simple as thinking that you shouldn't do exactly what the opponent wants you to do, but that is what we did. (this is exactly what happened in the bowl game when we punted on 4th and inches, which is exactly what Kentucky wanted us to do)
I could see pulling Joe when we needed a rebound and putting a taller player in. But he was wreaking havoc on defense for a stretch of the 2nd half last night and we gave up on that with him on the bench.
He doesn’t hate Toussaint, he evidently just doesn’t trust him
I agree with you, sometimes Joe gets going to fast and turns the ball over or driving into the lane and losses the ball or takes a bad shot
JT deserved to finish last night's game. I'm afraid Fran is pushing all the wrong buttons at a crucial point in the season.
Connor is shooting 60% from the stripe not 73%. 21% from the field. 17.6% from 3. He's simply an awful shooter.
I'm a Fran defender and love having him as Iowa's coach. That being said, last night I had to question his motivations in playing Connor down the stretch. Joe should have been in the game at the end. Two guys I don't want in the game at the end of games with the lead, Rebacca and Connor.
9 points, 9 assists, 4 rebounds, couple steals. The lead could've been built.
IMO, the only way Iowa was going to lose that game would be giving up 2nd chance points. Rebraca had to be in there for rebounding. I know he is the not greatest at rebounding, but he is better than the other options.
Joe T was everywhere last night, rebounding, defense, etc. As you stated he was the 2nd best player on our team last night obviously behind Keegan. I think he might have been a little gassed at the 8 minute mark, and thought taking him out at that time was the right move. I didn't think he would sit the rest of the game. The reason we went zone was because Jbo as usual couldn't stay in front of 1 single player from Maryland. And when he can't get a shot off on the other end there's no reason for him to play 27 minutes. The fact that Conor played the last 13 minutes last night just blows me away. The problem w/this is it just hampers the development of Kris Murray. He's the one that should be getting a minimum of 18-20 minutes a game. I know he wasn't great last night but it seems he is getting the Touissant treatment from last year. Make a mistake and your out. He has by far the highest upside on the team besides his brother. Heaven forbid a guy makes a mistake. It's not like Conor tossed the ball away, stood there and bitched at the ref while they went down and got a layup. Pisses me off so much.
I noticed towards the end of the game JoeT was sitting on the floor in front of the players chairs. It looked like he was rubbing his upper leg. I don't know if he had a small injury, maybe that is why he wasn't in there.
It might not be written anywhere but there is simply no point in a game where a lineup won't include Patrick or Connor. I'm not sure why that is but it hasn't happened this year to the best of my knowledge. Fran didn't like what Patrick was bringing last night so Cmac was going to be playing more minutes.
It also seems clear that he has little faith in Kris right now as his minutes have been steadily shrinking over the past several games. Kris' confidence seems shaken as his minutes have decreased so his role might be negligible for the remainder of the year. The top 8 rotation going forward looks to be the starters with Cmac, Ulis and Tony.
It also seems clear that he has little faith in Kris right now as his minutes have been steadily shrinking over the past several games. Kris' confidence seems shaken as his minutes have decreased so his role might be negligible for the remainder of the year. The top 8 rotation going forward looks to be the starters with Cmac, Ulis and Tony.
Maryland had two guards that were 6’5” or taller (Ayala - 6’5” and Hart - 6’8”) at the end of the game. Russell was the only player on the floor for Maryland under 6’5” at 5’11”. Who would Toussaint (6’0”), Bohannon (6’1”) and Ulis (6’3”) guard if they were all in the game at the end?
According to ESPN, Connor played 18 minutes last night. Joe played 25, while Ulis played 15, Perkins 14 and Bohannon 27. I would have liked to have seen Joe in the game at the end last night, but think it would have needed to come from Ulis instead of Connor due to the size differential.
According to ESPN, Connor played 18 minutes last night. Joe played 25, while Ulis played 15, Perkins 14 and Bohannon 27. I would have liked to have seen Joe in the game at the end last night, but think it would have needed to come from Ulis instead of Connor due to the size differential.
Fran goes out of his way to justify Connor on the floor for 18 minutes. Meanwhile, Standfort gets 2 minutes total. Connor played very poorly in the first half but Standfort pays the price. Connors stat line last night.
18 Minutes: 1 Assist - 1 Rebound - 1 Pt. - 3 fouls. 62% from the line. Meanwhile Joe at nearly 91% sits. Iowa has four players shooting over 90% from the line. JBO, Perkins, Joe T., and Sandfort. AU, Keegan, PM over 80%. Throw in that Connor turned it over in the first half and felt it was more important to complain to the official instead of getting his butt back down the court. A win, but we end the game with one of our worst from the line on the floor. Fran needs to stop with this Connor brings stability and guidance to the court. Like Connor’s toughness and competitiveness but it is being to highly valued. There was zero reason for Standfort sitting unless he was sick or injured. Bottom line, he brings much more to the party than Connor and the defense has to account for him.
conner wasn’t in for Joe. Conner was in at a forward to help with back side defense and providing another ball handler,
There is a weird history of people on this board wanting Joe to be on all the time. Going back to when he was still very haphazard and a legit risk. They tend to just show up sometimes and bitch and moan, if he doesn't play every second, no matter anything else. And no amount of logic or coaching sense will convince them otherwise. Kinda a weird phenomenon.
I agree Joe played well tonight, but let's not neglect the great game Rebraca played.
I think some folks might actually believe this. Bb IQ around here is very low.
What point are you trying to make? Joe hasn't been "on all the time", that is clear. But last night he absolutely was on and should have played more minutes. And Connor and Bohannon should have played fewer. Single digits for Connor, if that.
That is what some of us are bothered by.
Very logical, consistent with good coaching and pretty easy to figure out. There is nothing weird about it in this case.
Are you implying that Rebraca was the 2nd best player on our team? 🤨 Joe wasn’t just the 2nd best on our team last night, he was the 2nd best player on the floor. He accounted for 30+ pts between his pts and assists. Very disruptive on d and rebounded well for a 6’ guard. After this game, i fully expect Fran to give him ohhh probably about 15 minutes next game 🙄
If you are this bad of a shooter, this far into your college career, you should not be playing significant minutes at a Power 5 school in a close game unless you are an unbelievable defender and rebounder. Connor is not either of those things. He’s just the coach’s kid.
Even? JBo brings nothing to the table other than 3's and FT's.
Let him play 10 minutes, max. Perkins' game today is better than JBo at his best in any of his previous 10 seasons.
Yeah, Fran's.
Frans handling of Joe has been odd and most can see that. Ulis is a very good player and should be getting lots of minutes but not all at joe’s expense. How many good teams in the country have their starting pg playing 15-20mpg and sit for 10min stretches?
Pg’s need confidence to play well, and I don’t think Fran has done a very good job of letting Joe develop and gain confidence. Joe does get out of sorts at times, but that’s when you give him breather to calm him down, put him back in and if he’s still out of sorts pull him for an extended time. Joe can do things that absolutely nobody else on the team can do. He is one of the quickest and fastest guys in the conference and probably all of college ball, live with a few mistakes and let the kid play.
Joe should be at 25-30mpg with Ulis at 20-25 and they should be on the floor together 5-10.
So you are saying that Fredrick, who was starting and getting as many minutes as his fragile body could handle, left because McCaffery plays Connor too much? Really? They didn't even play the same position.
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Hmmm.... 5th year Senior or True Freshman, which one am I going to go with in a tight BigTen game down the stretch?
Man, either many of you are overthinkers or you have a grudge against Connor?
It simply comes down to trust and what your needing on the floor.
I love Joe Toussaint but sometimes he brings too much energy and that can lead to officials calling fouls and that's not what you want late game.
I look at it this way.... it is great to have so many options. Joe T or Aaron Ulis, you can have CMac or JBo at PG if needed as well.
A big part of why that unit is in there is that they play well together. Ulis and Perkins are my dynamic duo when on court together... they really play off each other well.
I don't know if for a fact, but yes I would believe it. There were games last year where Frederick didn't play at the end of games and Fran's son did. If you can't see how it is impacting the team, then I can't help you.
100% agree, but I'd take even at this point being Jbo is getting more minutes.
Totally with you on this. His aggression on defense is infectious.
Thats just nonsense to say Connor is "why the zone worked".
He did a good job in it but so did Toussaint, Perkins and Keegan.
1 guy can't make a zone work. Thats not how it works.
1 guy cannot control what anyone else does in the zone. Everyone has to be able to cover their area.
Toussaint was the most disruptive player on defense.
Not saying Connor wasn't helpful or good on the defensive end because he definitely was but Fran giving Connor all the credit for "the defense" is his excuse to the fans because he thinks they don't know any better and in a lot of cases he is correct.
Why on earth would you think it wasn't obvious Maryland was in zone?
Thats the biggest reason Connor should not have been in the game. He can't shoot which allows the opposition to guard a much smaller area.
There was no reason for JBO to be in the game until Maryland was intentionally fouling.
Where did I say JBO should have been on the floor more? My post was for those who said Joe should have been in for Connor. At the end of the game.
Was just pointing out that only two of them needed to be in the game together.
