Well, you can’t really compare the exit of Davis to this year for Fran if you’re trying to compare the two. First, you have the dead year of recruiting once Dr. Tom was declared a lame duck. Second, that 1999 roster has no bearing on anything Fran ever did since there were two coaches in between.
Let’s also be real about where Iowa is as a program.And no regular season championships and no Sweet Sixteen's to show for it.
He's a liar.
Bullshit. Talk to West fans that aren’t Fran butt lickers. (If you don’t believe me)
Agree. I do recall a fairly good % of fans wanted a change. Those same fans were the same ones wishing TD was back, but only after Alfraud & the LinkMeister's tenure.
Both Drake 5 years ago and K State this year were able to put together rosters with only 3 returning players on their entire rosters. And both did it very successfully. With the portal and recruiting the way it is today it can be done.
Okay, 2 success stories. What % is that of all the coaching changes at the college level?
95% of kids are committed to the coaches not the schools. Is what it is. I don’t think Fran is going anywhere until he’s ready on his own terms. However, you’re right, we’d probably be starting from scratch if he’s let go or leaves. Obviously not ideal but in today’s portal world the opportunity is better to get better quickly vs the old days.
I think there are a few possible paths and what’s important is picking one and setting expectations accordingly. It’s pretty clear that Iowa prioritizes stability and being competitive moreso than championships. Outside of wrestling, where Iowa was made a “blue blood” by Dan Gable, Iowa has been mostly “good” in the highest profile sports for my lifetime. No national championships in football or men’s hoops and not really many B1G championships, either - I think Hayden won/tied for 3 and Kirk won/tied for 2 plus 2 division championships. Iowa men’s hoops has 1 conference title in the last 50 years and 3 conference tourney championships. Iowa women generally fared better, with 10 conference championships under Stringer/Lee/Bluder & 5 conference tournament championships.
This is not how defensive efficiency is measured. It's not measured in points. It's measured in points per possession to account for pace. Iowa's defense is really bad. According to KenPom the defense is ranked 168th in the country. It's not because the offense is fast paced. It's because the defense can't stop anyone.
It's become pretty clear that Iowa's struggles on defense have less to do with the talent than the coaching. This should not be the 168th ranked team in the country and yet here we are. They look completely clueless out there at times.
How many returning starters has Otzelberger had returning his first 2 years?
Only an idiot would think that Iowas defensive effectiveness is equal to the teams potential.
Best decision I made this year was to not watch much Iowa BB. Probably haven't watched over an hour total all year.
True, but that was 13 years ago. The team has the turned over 3-4x since then.
Well, you have missed some very exciting games. The comeback against MSU was amazing. You have also missed some crap shows like today. On balance, I am happy I watched the Hawkeyes this season. More than any prior Fran teams, this one was schizophrenic.
and we have one player who moves at that game speed play just a couple minutes.
Hard truth right there.
“Success” level…BTC’s and S16’s.
Yeah, I don't get this either.
If memory serves, both Collison and Hinrich were going to Clownville if Tim Floyd had stayed. When Floyd went to the Bulls. Collison and Hinrich went to KU. Dr. Davis whiffed on those two and Lafrentz.
He's 4-4 in the first round at Iowa, by my count. I meant that 2nd round has been Fran's ceiling.
Correct. That's why I laugh when I see people say that Lickliter's Iowa teams were good defensively because they "held" opponents to 50-60 PPG. They were not. That was purely a result of style of play.
That's straw man reasoning.
Hinrich had committed early to ISU, but reopened his recruiting when Floyd left, and ended up at KU.
That's pretty much the way I remember it, except I don't think Iowa was ever much in the picture with Hinrich, as KU had always been his second choice. FWIW, that didn't turn out all that badly for ISU because when Hinrich decommitted, Eustachy had to find a PG and ended up with Tinsley.
